Tuesday, August 18, 2009

[Scot]

Starter....

[Peerie Maa]

I really liked Cdr Eric McKee's "Working Boats of Britain" for the way he got right down into why boats were built the way they were with the materials used etc. Any chance of a series about why other nations working craft took the form that they did in their differing waters, analysed in the same way?
There are lots to go at around the USA coasts, let alone the Baltic, the Med, and the Pacific Rim.

[Carl Cramer]

And here's a reminder of how to use it:

Thanks, all. A reminder of how it works:

Post your questions in this thread. Specifically in this thread.

We'll read and respond to them here when we login at noon on the 18th.

Questions for the editors; questions for Scot and the WoodenBoat Store; questions for the WoodenBoat School, etc.

We'll reply to as many of them as we can. There should be a good degree on online chaos.... and that's generally good.

Once the August 18 session is over, we will post a NEW thread for the following week's session.

To read the dialog that occurred in the "Tuesday, August 4, 2009" thread, please just click that thread. As well as that for August 11.

So, please begin posting your questions for next week's session. Thanks, Carl

[Bob Cleek]

I'm curious why there aren't any "DYI reality shows" about boatbuilding. I've seen one "boat maintenance" show on some obscure cable sports channel. It featured how to wax your fibreglass ski boat and pack trailer wheel bearings... basically "how an auto mechanic would care for a boat," give me a break. It didn't last.

I realize there are some challenges to it, but why not a "This Old Boat" and a "New Yankee Boatshop?" The numbers pencil out big time on those shows. They are amount the most profitable of all PBS series. We have the community, the boats, and the know-how. Does WB have the organization to pull it together? There's enough material in the forum every day to fuel a weekly TV series far into the future. Has this idea ever been pursued? Would WB have any interest in being a sponsor?

Don't forget, WB was, and is, the "epoxy" that has held together the "wooden boat rennaisance." Why limit its voice to print alone?

[john welsford]

I have done some study on this subject, I have an interest in the small boats of England but they cant really be studied in isolation. Its very interesting to see the way that the social and political environment of Medieval Western Europe affected the design and structure of the boats well beyond the influence of the physical environment. To study this and compare it with the way that those designs and building practices evolved once the builders were resident in the new world would be useful in understanding what drove the evolution of the boats that we see today as traditional.

John Welsford




I really liked Cdr Eric McKee's "Working Boats of Britain" for the way he got right down into why boats were built the way they were with the materials used etc. Any chance of a series about why other nations working craft took the form that they did in their differing waters, analysed in the same way?
There are lots to go at around the USA coasts, let alone the Baltic, the Med, and the Pacific Rim.

[peter radclyffe]

the works of Bob Simper

[emichaels]

There have been many good and great designers/NA pass over the bar. Interesting reading might be to look at some of those past designers work that is still being produced, in wood of course. Perhaps a one page section that home builders could offer up a little writing on what they are building of said past designers. Of course Herschoff designs would have to be excluded as there are probably thousands underway as we speak !

Eric

[Paul Pless]

With all these great new ideas for content for WoodenBoat, you guys should go monthly.;)

[TomF]

I'd be interested in a look at how/why boats which had very similar "design briefs" evolved differently in different places. With enough detail to help me understand which were handling tradeoffs reflecting actual user needs, and which were just style preferences.

For e.g., many cobles, wherries, faerings, South Jersey skiffs, and Swampscott (or gunning) dories were about the same size/weight, had to competently get on/off beaches through surf, and handle sometimes tough inshore water conditions. They had to sail and row easily too, and carry loads. Probably a boat from any of the families would work competently in another's home waters ... but maybe not quite as well as the native.

These design "families" all still produce superior sail/oar boats - both from the old designs and from modern interpretations. Prospective builders know that any would produce a seaworthy, fairly fast and fairly easily rowed sail/oar boat - especially compared with most generic mass-market plastic offerings.

But what if you want to sweat the small stuff? None of those families were designed for my waters, for my winds. I'd love to know the 5-10% compromise differences between, say, a South Jersey skiff and a Lincolnville wherry or a Coble, and what they compensate for. And how to judge whether those differences would still hold in the lighter modern recreational boats based on the older workboat forms.

It would help me inch closer to having a really superior match between the design (or design family) I'd build, and my specific uses/conditions.

[Peerie Maa]

I make that three of us pushing at the same door.:D

[rbgarr]

With all these great new ideas for content for WoodenBoat, you guys should go monthly.;)

I'd have to add shelf space again that much sooner!! :eek:

[Pugwash]

"Hells Boatbuilder"

"So, You Think You Can Build Boats?"

"American Boatbuilder"

and unfortunately....

"Who Want's To Marry A Boatbuilder"

There are marketing opportunities aplenty.

The TV thing isn't a bad idea, but don't become Norm Abrams or Bob Villa.

We want real people.

:)

[Pirate-at-heart]

the dangers of melting lead for a keel... how dangerous are lead fumes while melting? would I need special respirators or other equipment to stay safe? can a wood fire burn hot enough to melt the stuff?

If I melted a few hundred pounds of lead for a keel, would I just keel over?

and is it the best way to put lead in a keel anyway? what if I just filled the hold with lead weights?

maybe dumb questions to you, but I've been pondering these questions for years now.

[Canoez]

I'd have to add shelf space again that much sooner!! :eek:

http://www.woodenboatstore.com/images/202002.jpg
.:cool:.

[rbgarr]

http://www.woodenboatstore.com/images/202002.jpg
.:cool:.

More expensive than shelves and not as much fun.

[Canoez]

More expensive than shelves and not as much fun.

Maybe, but loads lighter. :D

[rbgarr]

I've been rereading Skipper Magazines from the 60s. The articles on 25-60 hp inboard auxiliary engines have been interesting.

[Rich VanValkenburg]

I'm curious why there aren't any "DYI reality shows" about boatbuilding......

I realize there are some challenges to it, but why not a "This Old Boat" and a "New Yankee Boatshop?" The numbers pencil out big time on those shows. They are amount the most profitable of all PBS series. We have the community, the boats, and the know-how. Does WB have the organization to pull it together? There's enough material in the forum every day to fuel a weekly TV series far into the future. Has this idea ever been pursued? Would WB have any interest in being a sponsor?

Don't forget, WB was, and is, the "epoxy" that has held together the "wooden boat rennaisance." Why limit its voice to print alone?

Some years ago there was a PBS show called The Boatshop with David Dean. He was a good guy to put on a show like that, oldish, comfortable manner, etc. Now not even the website exists anymore, just a reference here-- http://www.einet.net/review/43789-837378/The_Boat_Shop_TV_Show.htm

[Pirate-at-heart]

I wonder if they'll answer my questions about lead?

[Mrleft8]

How about an article on the history of rum and sailors?.... GROG, if my memory is half of what it was 3 years ago, has something to do with Grenada, the king of England, and rum rations.....I'd be happy to research this... Just send a boarding pass to Point Salinas....I'll find my own accomodations...

[rbgarr]

I wonder if they'll answer my questions about lead?

Have you tried a search of back issues of the magazine here? http://www.woodenboat.com/wbmag/idx/index.html

I found a number of references including an article, letters and photos.

[Pirate-at-heart]

Thanks Rbgarr,
but I just tried to search for keywords "melting lead" and it told me to kiss my own ass!

What a cheeky search engine!

Seriously, it said "no files found."

Cheers to you good sir and may the tides always be with you.

[Bill Perkins]

At one of your fairly recent shows in Newport my brother and I were amazed by a machine perfect dovetail joint at the forward corner of a largish boat's deck house . Maybe it was the schooner Rebecca .

In any case the sides and front of the house angled inward . This can't be done with an off the shelf router jig ,can it ? If not ,I'd love to see a how to article on this . Has a dovetail joint been used in that location in the past ? What does a closeup photo of the joint look like now ?

[Duncan Gibbs]

Still like to put my hand up for an article on the Mirror: Nearly 80,000 built and I dare say most of them are wooden.

Another thing would be to get the rights to old, out of print magazines - such as MoToR boat (sp?) - and reprint selected articles in WBM.

[skuthorp]

Now is it Mystic that has that marvellous boat archive in a warehouse? We've seen glimpses of it around show time but I'd like to see a propper survey of their inventory with a few pics of each boat and the technical details if known. A big job, and I don't know who would undertake it or own the results, but I could spend a week in there and not be satisfied. And then of course I'd want to put 'em in the water too. You know how it goes.
If I win the lottery I'll sponsor it myself, but untill then...........

[Canoez]

Now is it Mystic that has that marvellous boat archive in a warehouse? We've seen glimpses of it around show time but I'd like to see a propper survey of their inventory with a few pics of each boat and the technical details if known. A big job, and I don't know who would undertake it or own the results, but I could spend a week in there and not be satisfied. And then of course I'd want to put 'em in the water too. You know how it goes.
If I win the lottery I'll sponsor it myself, but untill then...........

Sku - I don't know if you saw some of my pictures on the WoodenBoat Show thread, but the "attic" in the Rossi Mill Building at Mystic is jam-packed with boats and other artifacts in various conditions from pristine to "there's the parts of...". The building is so full, it isn't possible to get to all of them without being a contortionist. You'd have to pull them out to an area where you could adequately document them. But, boy, are there some rare gems hidden amongst the flotsam and jetsam. The collection is very "ecclectic" with motors, whaling artifacts, rowing shells, power, sail and paddle boats. The largest is probably in the 30'-40' range

All of the items have an acquisition tag on them which identifies what they are. When there is detailed information about the boat type or maker, there were sheets of paper attached to the boat showing more detailed information about the boat (small articles, really - I think from a book - Ben Fuller's???), so some of this has been done already.

Actually, with Mystic Seaport's financial situation, it would be great if a deep-pocketed organization could fund the documenting of these boats and publish a catalog of sorts. As Rbgarr was noting, availability of digital study plans of both the boats and the paper plans that Mystic has in their archives would make them much more accessable for people who want to build replicas of these boats.

[Thorne]

Won't be around for this one, worse luck. Work sure gets in the way sometimes...

My topic from last week never got discussed (that I know of):

Can we add Boolean searches to the WB Forum's built-in search function? Otherwise it is very limited and can lead to a lot of multiple posts or user frustration.

Thanks!

[Pirate-at-heart]

Yeah, I am kinda worried they will ignore me as well.

Well, let's see... Its only a matter of mere minutes away!

[Carl Cramer]

We'll begin today's session in one half an hour.

Please post your questions now, and we look forward to "seeing" you then. We will try to get to your previously posted questions today.

[J. Dillon]

To Carl and the editors, thought I'd pop this one back in again:

Years ago in Yachting I think there was a regular column called Gadgets and Gilhickies. It illustrated the creative way boat men solved particular problems be it mechanical, rigging, sailing or comfort aboard. It was just a page. In fact I think they even published a book of these useful ideas. This sort of thing appears in WB occasionally but I’d like to see it as a regular feature. Perhaps a name contest could help launch it ?

JD

[Carl Cramer]

Welcome, all. Thanks for being here today.

As Tom mentioned last week, we won't give you specific responses to your article ideas right away -- our editors will take them under consideration. But thanks for sending us your ideas.

[Pirate-at-heart]

so, how dangerous is it to melt lead?

[Tom Jackson]

Pirate-at-heart—

About lead:

When Tom Boardman (who, by the way, is a physician and a longtime WoodenBoat School alumnus), wrote his article about pouring a lead keel for his Flatfish (WB No. 159), we added a brief sidebar with precautions that should be taken in casting lead, on page 40 in that edition. The information came from our state health officials. In essence, ventilating the area is the most important thing, and anyone in the area should be wearing a respirator to protect against fumes: “A suitable non-occupational particulate filter is known as a ‘full filtering face piece, type N95,’ available at welding shops. For full protection, 3M recomends a 3M 6000-series half-mask, (5100/5200/5300 for small, medium, and large facepieces) with a 2091 P110 particulate filter.”

My understanding is that as lead melts, it emits fumes that very quickly solidify into a particulate. What you want to avoid is breathing the fumes or the particulate, hence the mask. The officials also say to avoid hand-to-mouth contact while working the casting. Ingestion is the problem with lead, whether dealing with fumes or with flaking paint chips in old houses that used lead-based paint.

Cleanup is another concern. Some use a cast-iron bathtub over a woodfire, as Tom Boardman did, but then you have the issue of what to do with the tub after the casting, plus all the pipes and so on. Site cleanup—collecting any spillage, shavings, and so on—is also critical. Mr. Boardman found the process straightforward, and it is probably one of those things that seems terrifying until you actually do it. Thoughtful preparation is probably 90 percent of the work.

I’ve never done a big lead casting, but I often melt lead in an old Hobart commercial baking mixer over a turkey fryer, and it is amazing how quickly the metal melts and how little temperature it takes—and Mr. Boardman cautioned, after direct experience, against making the fire too hot, which was one of the problems he encountered (and he used wood). It really doesn’t take much to melt lead; it just takes longer with large quantities. Pouring lead in my centerboard last year hardly scorched the wood at all.

However, in trying to find lead by the time-honored sources (tire weights, old roof flashing at the dump) for inside ballast this year, I had little luck. Tire companies around here tell me that their weight suppliers are taking back old weights, and the guy at the dump says the value of metal has increased to the point where many are hoarding or scavenging. For a large casting, the day may be coming when the best strategy might be to develop your mold, maybe in consultation with a foundry, and have it cast and transported. (The Richard Remsen article on casting in WB No. 89 has good information on that subject.) Our occasional contributor and friend, Joe Youcha at Alexandria Seaport Foundation, tells us that the only tools he would use for his next lead casting (after having doing one for a Flatfish), would be a fax machine and a credit card — he wouldn’t do his own casting again.

Lead ballast keels have the advantage of putting the weight as far down as possible, which gives the greatest righting moment per pound of ballast. Inside ballast can work, and it is often used as trim ballast, but it is not as effective as outside ballast. You don’t have to use lead for ballast if you’re using inside ballast: water, sandbags, stone, lots of things have been used. Lead, however, as a practical matter, provides the greatest weight for the least amount of space. I don’t think there has been a specific article on this, mainly because it is pretty elementary concept—maybe a thought for “getting started in boats”?— but it is touched upon in hundreds of articles through the years, from design reviews to how-tos.

By the way, when you have a question on a subject like this, check the back issues of WoodenBoat. The on-line index (accessed by clicking the “Research” tab on the WoodenBoat home page) is up-to-date and quite complete, and very often you can find your answers in back articles. If your search for “melting lead” comes up empty, try using somethign else: “ballast,” “lead,” or “ballast keel” for example. We try to have very thorough articles, and as a result we don’t feel the need to revisit subjects as often as many magazines do, in my view.

[Carl Cramer]

Hi, Rich -- thanks for yours.

I wish I could give the entire play-by-play of our ill-fated experiment with WoodenBoat TV....

We tried two years ago. It didn't work for oh so many reasons. It doesn't mean we won't try some variation in the future. Stay tuned...

Some years ago there was a PBS show called The Boatshop with David Dean. He was a good guy to put on a show like that, oldish, comfortable manner, etc. Now not even the website exists anymore, just a reference here-- http://www.einet.net/review/43789-837378/The_Boat_Shop_TV_Show.htm

[Carl Cramer]

Scot -- Would you like to address matters Boolean? I'm sure the answer will be fascinating....

Won't be around for this one, worse luck. Work sure gets in the way sometimes...

My topic from last week never got discussed (that I know of):

Can we add Boolean searches to the WB Forum's built-in search function? Otherwise it is very limited and can lead to a lot of multiple posts or user frustration.

Thanks!

[Tom Jackson]

Skuthorp—
The information you’re looking for about the Mystic Seaport collection already exists. Mystic Seaport Watercraft (Maynard Bray, Ben Fuller, Peter Vermilya) is a complete guide, with photos and descriptions of each boat, published by Mystic Seaport. Here’s a URL: <http://www.mysticseaport.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=shop.museumProduct&storeNavigationID=3F816102-B0D0-D05E-1A64172D3A27CCD1&productID=E1B18B9C-1857-4986-9C9F25446980B06B>

Many of the boats will be familiar to you from having been written up at one time or another in WoodenBoat. Some of these boats have great appeal to modern recreational users, others less so.

[Tom Jackson]

John Welsford, TomF, & Peerie Maa—
These subjects relating to worldwide “evolution” — a term I think is horribly overused in relation to boats — are extremely general. It would take a book-length treatise to cover them. One example: Roger Fletcher wrote about the McKenzie River drift boats some time back, and he went to extensive effort to prove an “evolutionary” link to specific New England dories. Flat-bottomed boats are so ubiquitous worldwide that finding proof of a specific link would be extremely difficult, or impossible, and highly speculative in any event. You could make an argument that good quality plywood had more to do with those boats than any dory ever did. In the end, I advised Roger to drop the search for the mystical “Eve” of dory design and just stay with the boat. “Stay with the boat, lest ye drown,” I think is how I put it.

Also, geographical influences on design (shoal draft, choppy seas, high currents, intended use, etc.) are frequently noted in articles about specific boats already—witness the flyfishing drift boats as but one example of very, very many.

[Pirate-at-heart]

excellent response, well worth the wait. Thank you very much.
I will study your input and try to find some of these back issues you mentioned.
Cheers, and thanks again for a wonderful forum experience.
:)

[htom]

You can use Google to search the WBF, with all of the tricks that Google will do. Example; copy and paste this into the Google search line:

site:www.woodenboat.com/forum melting lead

[Scot]

Forum searches:
Sorry, didn't see that question. The on-board search is awful. But, I thought folks were fine with adapting the bit from the FAQ:

SEARCHING FOR A TOPIC
The built-in search function is LESS than stellar. Instead use Google's "Advanced Search" and paste http://www.woodenboat.com/forum/ into the "Search Within a Site or Domain". It's under the "Need More Tools" section.

[wbrobin]

Good after noon, everyone! Sorry to have missed you last week.
Robin

[rbgarr]

Robin,

What is your role at WB? Just curious. Thx.

[Carl Cramer]

Housekeeping note -- remember to press "Refresh" to stay current with these postings.

Matt, any photos of the launching of your new boat?

[MPM]

Bill Perkins--
You ask about dovetail joints on angled corners. The details of this are covered in WB No. 186 (Spet./Oct. 2005) in an article on building a sea chest.
Matt Murphy

[Scot]

FYI... here's a quick listing from the online index, using "pouring lead" as the search terms:

Results of Search in WoodenBoat Magazine Index
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Below are the results of your Search for pouring and lead in no particular order:
Ajootian, Fred, author: "Pouring the Lead Keel," 15:70

Ballast keel: letter on pouring lead, 80:6

Ballast keel: method of pouring lead/Fred Ajootian, 15:70

Ballast keel: method of pouring lead/Brooklin Boat Yard, 49:97

Ballast keel: method of pouring lead/James L. Meriam, 63:106

Centerboard: letter on lead pouring technique, 80:6

Davies, Tom and Stef, photographers: cover photo/pouring lead, the Apprenticeshop, 4:0

Lead keel, pouring: comments for John G. Hanna Carol design TURTLE DOVE, 197:38

Manning, Sam F., author: letter on lead pouring, 80:6

The index is linked from the homepage. Direct is:
http://www.woodenboat.com/wbmag/idx/

[rbgarr]

Those were the references I found, too.
Does the other search method bring up more? I don't quite understand how to use it.

[htom]

There's a bit of The BoatYard left in the Internet Archive aka The Wayback Machine.

www.archive.org Note: this is NOT a search engine. You give it a link address (watch out for the doubled http:// at the start) and it then gives you a page showing all of the pages for that site that it has. Click on one; the links in the displayed page are live and redirected to other saved pages.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.theboatshop.com

[MPM]

No, Carl--no photos from last Tuesday. But I do have some of our October cruise up Somes Sound--as well as a few movie clips. Stand by; I'll see what I can do--
Matt

[Carl Cramer]

So, dear readers -- Which boats are you using this year?

[Carl Cramer]

Thanks, Matt. I can't wait to see them.

For those of you who wonder: Our answers are unscripted.

No, Carl--no photos from last Tuesday. But I do have some of our October cruise up Somes Sound--as well as a few movie clips. Stand by; I'll see what I can do--
Matt

[rbgarr]

In wood, a 25' Lyman hardtop and a Brewer skiff here. Won't mention the other material.

[htom]

Other people's. :(

I'm thinking about the larger Joel White Shearwater, or the stretched Ness Yawl. I've been in love with the Shearwater since I saw the study page in Tom Hill's Ultralight Canoe book. Must be the Norsk in my blood.

[Carl Cramer]

Nice. Which one(s) do you find yourself using most often?

In wood, a 25' Lyman hardtop and a Brewer skiff here. Won't mention the other material.

[wbrobin]

rbgarr:

I am the editorial assistant for the magazine and generally keep track of proposals, articles, author payments, and other details. Besides that I read old issues of WoodenBoat whenever I have time.

Robin

[Carl Cramer]

And: have any of your received the new issue yet of WoodenBoat (Sep/Oct)? if so, what do you think of it?

[Canoez]

Using?

A Charlotte, Wabnaki, Redbird, Wee Lassie, and soon a re-worked Sea Tour 15 R.

[Canoez]

In the Small Boats issue that was published last year, there was an excellent article on storing small boats. Perhaps another similar article on transporting small boats would be good fodder? (cartop and trailer)

[Carl Cramer]

Good for you, Canoez.

On another note: I just introduced a fantastic "episode" of ProBoat Radio. Meade Gougeon and JR Watson were the stars.

You can listen to the replay (about half an hour), here:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/proboatradio

[rbgarr]

The skiff is used to get to the lyman mooring, so they are used exactly equal! My mother-in-law uses the skiff for mackeral fishing, too, and we take her on boat trips s as often as she wants. Her eyesight is deteriorating so she keeps asking me to get closer to shore so she can see the new houses and docks that are now all along the shore, some in incredibly exposed locations. Oddly, many of the docks seem to be unused for boats. Perhaps they are just 'amenities'?

Do you see that on Eggemoggin Reach, etc.?

I'd forgotten about Proboat radio.

[Bill Perkins]

Matt; thanks for the reply . If the joint I saw was hand cut my mind is going to be completely blown .It was so perfect .

Using my 24 foot V bottom Culler launch on the Georgia Coast . The plans were from Mystic of course ; a salute to that group . She tracks like she's on rails when winding through the marshlands at speed .

[wbrobin]

And: have any of your received the new issue yet of WoodenBoat (Sep/Oct)? if so, what do you think of it?

Carl,

I expect there are several readers who will be very happy to receive the new issue. At the Wb Show in Mystic this year we had dozens of people asking about the plans for the boat on the cover of this issue, and some of them seemed quite disappointed that they had to wait until now to be able to order the plans for it.

[Carl Cramer]

When my eyesight begins to go, the LAST thing I'll want to see are the new houses...

Here the season is just late in beginning (due to weather). One putative benefit of the recession is that the MacMansions seem to be backing off their building plans....

The skiff is used to get to the lyman mooring, so they are used exactly equal! My mother-in-law uses the skiff for mackeral fishing, too, and we take her on boat trips s as often as she wants. Her eyesight is deteriorating so she keeps asking me to get closer to shore so she can see the new houses and docks that are now all along the shore, some in incredibly exposed locations. Oddly, many of the docks seem to be unused for boats. Perhaps they are just 'amenities'?

Do you see that on Eggemoggin Reach, etc.?

[MPM]

Peerie Maa--
Are you familiar with the work of Howard Chapelle? He dedicated his career to the study of American workboats. The research is presented in several volumes, and I think you'd like them.

Bernard Faeroyvik was his counterpart in Norway, and his Inshore Craft of Norway is a great--the great--study of traditional Norwegian watercraft.

More recently, out of Ireland recently came Traditional Boats of Ireland. It's a groundbreaking compendium, penned by numerous authors and illustrated by many artists, of traditional Irish craft. Raises the bar for the presentation of this material.
Matt Murphy

[rbgarr]

I'm hoping #210 is in the mailbox today.

[Carl Cramer]

Thanks, Robin. I hope and trust our readers will consider it worth the wait....

How many will actually BUILD the Jericho Bay Lobster Skiff? I've been in her, and she's magical.

Carl,

I expect there are several readers who will be very happy to receive the new issue. At the Wb Show in Mystic this year we had dozens of people asking about the plans for the boat on the cover of this issue, and some of them seemed quite disappointed that they had to wait until now to be able to order the plans for it.

[MPM]

Funny you should mention that, Canoeez. This year's lead feature for Small Boats will be on trailering. Get it at you local newsstand in December, or from the WB Store. While supplies last.
Matt Murphy

[Canoez]

Funny you should mention that, Canoeez. This year's lead feature for Small Boats will be on trailering. Get it at you local newsstand in December, or from the WB Store. While supplies last.
Matt Murphy

Apparently my clairvoyant skills are still working. :cool::rolleyes:

I guess that I just see lots of people at boat ramps and some of the rigs people are using to keep the boat on the car/truck (barely!) are somewhat frightening to see up close!

[MPM]

Bill Perkins--
Send me a few photos of your launch, if you would. We're always looking for material for Small Boats. 2010 is full, but we're scanning the horizon for the 2011 edition. I can't make promises of publication now, as so much depends on the mix of articles, but a Culler skiff slaloming through the Georgia marshes sounds like a candidate to me.
Matt (matt@woodenboat.com)

[rbgarr]

[/quote]...the Jericho Bay Lobster Skiff[/quote]

Is it a Joel White design? I only ask because it's not listed in the Joel White book appendix and I'm wondering if there are other designs of his not listed there.

[Carl Cramer]

Thanks, RG. Yes, she is. But plans were never found, so we had to create new ones from an existing hull.

You'll learn all about her in #210.

...the Jericho Bay Lobster Skiff[/quote]

Is it a Joel White design? I only ask because it's not listed in the Joel White book appendix and I'm wondering if there are other designs of his not listed there.[/QUOTE]

[MPM]

Canoez--
Now there (Saturday at the Boat Ramp) is a topic for a reality show. I heard a story recently of an ill-behaved boater--and I do mean boater--launching his Cadillac along with the boat. Little dog was sitting on top of the semi-immersed car barking at him. Where did I hear that... here?
--Matt

[wbrobin]

Apparently my clairvoyant skills are still working. :cool::rolleyes:

I guess that I just see lots of people at boat ramps and some of the rigs people are using to keep the boat on the car/truck (barely!) are somewhat frightening to see up close!

I think we should probably include a piece on proper knots and rope for tying down. That can be a bit frightening to watch too.

[Carl Cramer]

Matt, didn't Paul tell us that? I didn't know he had a Cadillac, though..

Canoez--
Now there (Saturday at the Boat Ramp) is a topic for a reality show. I heard a story recently of an ill-behaved boater--and I do mean boater--launching his Cadillac along with the boat. Little dog was sitting on top of the semi-immersed car barking at him. Where did I hear that... here?
--Matt

[rbgarr]

.. and securing things in the boat before driving off: flying cushions, slickers, biminis ripping. Yard sales, we called them.

[nedL]

I received #210 yesterday, haven't had a chance to really look yet (classifieds seem thinner). "Launchings" is a very nice tribute.
I'm in the middle of my second complete rebuild of my late 1930's - early 1940's Jersey speed skiff that I've owned for 30+ years now (re-ribbing & some new planks), so this summer I picked up a 40 yr old one of that "other material" -just for some fun until I get my cedar one finished . I've often thought an article on them might be of interest, -interesting history & not many left.

[htom]

You should probably also include a bit about "how to tell when your boat is correctly on its trailer".

[Canoez]

I think we should probably include a piece on proper knots and rope for tying down. That can be a bit frightening to watch too.

Right - that and the use of ratcheting and cam-clamped straps too. I was at the boat ramp listening to someone crush a nice fiberglass kayak with a ratcheting strap. :eek: Another day I watched someone remove a strap with a cam-clamp that had come loose. (No half-hitch in the strap after the clamp to keep it from moving!) I even have a friend who had a bow line on a boat get loose and dragged under his front wheels, pulling the bow of his girlfriend's brand new kayak down and crushing the hull in front of the rack cradles. They are still together by the way - he repaired the boat.

[nedL]

Good idea, I wonder how many poeple don't know about proper tongue weight & how to set up safety chains.

[rbgarr]

Off topic (and off material) but aluminum boats can get pinhole corrosion if left too long on wet-carpet trailer bunks.

[MPM]

Carl--
I believe it was Paul (my counterpart at Professional BoatBuilder magazine) who told us that. I might have imagined the Cadillac part.
--Matt

[MPM]

rbagarr--
Yet another reason to choose wood--
Matt

[Carl Cramer]

The Cadillac part, and the little dog, make the story sing...

[htom]

The number of canoes and kayaks I see going by that are tied down only in the middle (no lines from the fore or aft end to the bumpers) is astounding.

[rbgarr]

A local woman called me to ask how to advertise her deceased father's wood Eric Dow sailing peapod. I suggested advertising it in Ellsworth American and WB starting in February. Is there another 'ad outlet' in the Blue Hill/MDI area where the boat might be appreciated that she should consider?

[Carl Cramer]

This feels like a wrap for today.

Any other questions or comments?

[Carl Cramer]

I'd suggest letting Eric know.. and she should post here at the WB offices and around town. Old-fashioned print and photocopied photograph.


A local woman called me to ask how to advertise her deceased father's wood Eric Dow sailing peapod. I suggested advertising it in Ellsworth American and WB starting in February. Is there another 'ad outlet' in the Blue Hill/MDI area where the boat might be appreciated that she should consider?

[Carl Cramer]

Well, thank you all for today. Once Scot puts up the stickie for Aug 25, please begin posting your questions there.

Thanks, Carl

[MPM]

Thanks All--
Matt

[wbrobin]

A local woman called me to ask how to advertise her deceased father's wood Eric Dow sailing peapod. I suggested advertising it in Ellsworth American and WB starting in February. Is there another 'ad outlet' in the Blue Hill/MDI area where the boat might be appreciated that she should consider?

We also have wooden boats for sale online at www.woodenboats4sale.com/ She can do that today and not have to wait until February.

[Tom Jackson]

This is Tom, out. (Time for lunch!)

[rbgarr]

Thanks again!

[Carl Cramer]

February? Robin, the next issue of WB is Nov/Dec, out in October.

But good point about WoodenBoat4Sale.com.

Bye all

We also have wooden boats for sale online at www.woodenboats4sale.com/ She can do that today and not have to wait until February.

[peter radclyffe]

the dangers of melting lead for a keel... how dangerous are lead fumes while melting? would I need special respirators or other equipment to stay safe? can a wood fire burn hot enough to melt the stuff?

If I melted a few hundred pounds of lead for a keel, would I just keel over?

and is it the best way to put lead in a keel anyway? what if I just filled the hold with lead weights?

maybe dumb questions to you, but I've been pondering these questions for years now.
its better to pour lead, but on jeannie johnston we built a steel keel & filled it from one side,with ingots, (which would you believe the local diddycoys tried to steal at lunchtime, while we were in the canteen, 100 yards away), then we welded it shut

[RFNK]

Below are the results of your Search for pouring and lead in no particular order:
Ajootian, Fred, author: "Pouring the Lead Keel," 15:70

Ballast keel: letter on pouring lead, 80:6

Ballast keel: method of pouring lead/Fred Ajootian, 15:70

Ballast keel: method of pouring lead/Brooklin Boat Yard, 49:97

Ballast keel: method of pouring lead/James L. Meriam, 63:106

Centerboard: letter on lead pouring technique, 80:6

Davies, Tom and Stef, photographers: cover photo/pouring lead, the Apprenticeshop, 4:0

Lead keel, pouring: comments for John G. Hanna Carol design TURTLE DOVE, 197:38

Manning, Sam F., author: letter on lead pouring, 80:6


Another one is Heavy Metal - Casting a lead ballast keel for Joel White's Flatfish by T. K. Boardman WB 159 2001

Rick

[wooden 'ed]

My topic from last week never got discussed (that I know of):

Can we add Boolean searches to the WB Forum's built-in search function? Otherwise it is very limited and can lead to a lot of multiple posts or user frustration.

Seconded! The search function on WBF is a sham(e).