24' Gipsy Cutter & 19' Little Mo by Denis Ganley

[Venchka]

Jim,

This is the one. No argument. Just build it. Read the whole story, several pages worth.
Gipsy Cutter (http://www.woodenboat.net.nz/2005/GipsyCutterStory/gipsystoryintro.html)

http://www.woodenboat.net.nz/2005/leavingcreek.jpg

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[ 04-14-2005, 05:45 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]

[JimD]

Ok, I'll build it. Send me the plans :D (Heck of a fine looking plywood boat)

[Meerkat]

Dave Robertson - Oy! :rolleyes:

[Hwyl]

Did you see the full width cabin on Caique, the predecessor

http://www.woodenboat.net.nz/2005/GipsyCutterStory/caique1.jpg .

I like the stem on Gipsy, but I like the cabin on Caique.

[skuthorp]

A very pretty boat. business-like too. Its in my favourites
smile.gif

[John B]

If it interests you guys , I'll go and take a few pics. It'd have to be next week though. I haven't seen it out.Wasn't at mahurangi that I saw either.

Never did find Swirly World though Meer. I'll have another squizz when winter racing starts.

[Jase]

he's off to Kawau this weekend for some R and R I think.... back monday ish

[JimD]

Originally posted by John B:
If it interests you guys , I'll go and take a few pics. It'd have to be next week though. I haven't seen it out.Wasn't at mahurangi that I saw either.

Never did find Swirly World though Meer. I'll have another squizz when winter racing starts.John, I can't speak for the rest of the lads, but it would sure interest me. So if you happen across her and your camera is handy it would be much appreciated.

[Venchka]

I second the motion! Thanks, John.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[John Bell]

US Plans distributor: http://www.fairmetalboats.com/GipsyCutter.htm

[Venchka]

Gipsy Cutter...

LOA 23' - 9"
LWL 21' - 4"
Beam 7' - 10"
Draft 2'-6"/4'-7"
Disp'l 4480lbs.
Sail Area 306sq.ft.

http://www.fairmetalboats.com/Fulldwgs/GipsyCutterProfileFull.JPG

http://www.fairmetalboats.com/Fulldwgs/GipsyCutterArgProfileFull.JPG

http://www.fairmetalboats.com/Fulldwgs/GipsyCutterArgPlanFull.JPG

http://www.fairmetalboats.com/boatPictures/GipsyCutterSectPage.JPG

Oh my, there's more...

Little Mo

LOA 19' -0"
LWL 17' - 6"
Beam 7' - 10"
Draft 1' - 2"/3' - 9"
Disp'l 2800lbs.
Sail Area 275sq.ft.

http://www.fairmetalboats.com/Fulldwgs/LittleMoProfileFull.jpg

http://www.fairmetalboats.com/Fulldwgs/LittleMoArgPlanFull.jpg

http://www.fairmetalboats.com/boatPictures/LittleMoSectPage.jpg

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[Meerkat]

Originally posted by Hwyl:
Did you see the full width cabin on Caique, the predecessor

http://www.woodenboat.net.nz/2005/GipsyCutterStory/caique1.jpg .

I like the stem on Gipsy, but I like the cabin on Caique.http://www.fairmetalboats.com/Caique.htm

Almost looks like a candidate for a junk rig...

I wonder if "Little Mo" is a bilge-boarder? Hmmmm...

[Venchka]

Originally posted by Meerkat:
...I wonder if "Little Mo" is a bilge-boarder? Hmmmm...My eyes tell me a single offset board in the bunk face under the galley. Dries out flat. :cool: And bulwarks too. :cool:

Look at the displacement. "That's a big short boat, Paw-Paw."

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[Meerkat]

Originally posted by Venchka:

Look at the displacement. "That's a big short boat, Paw-Paw."

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D Should imply good load carrying capacity?

[Venchka]

Originally posted by Meerkat:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Venchka:

Look at the displacement. "That's a big short boat, Paw-Paw."

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D Should imply good load carrying capacity?</font>[/QUOTE]True enough, or a very heavy empty boat. Once again, the designer has failed to inform us if the displacement figure is all up with crew of how many? and stores for how long? or the dry weight before loading? GRRRR! Or do I just not get it? Does everyone else look at a displacement figure and know that it includes crew for every bunk and provisions for an extended voyage?

Hmmmm...I may have seen the light and answered my own questions kinda sorta maybe. If I wanted to go for an extended cruise on this boat by myself, the weight of "crew for every bunk" not present would be in the neighborhood of 450-500 pounds. That's a lot of groceries and water and beer.

OK, but the designer omitted the ballast. GRRR!

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[Meerkat]

Jay Benford says that most displacement figures are based on an empty boat - no fuel, water, groceries, spares or crew. That's where pounds/inch of immersion gets interesting!

The lack of a ballast number may reflect the fact that none of the boats under discussion has ballast in the traditional sense of the word - they're centerboarders.

Looks to me like Little Mo could be a bilger if one wanted to build the other bilge case...

[Venchka]

Originally posted by Meerkat:
Jay Benford says that most displacement figures are based on an empty boat - no fuel, water, groceries, spares or crew. That's where pounds/inch of immersion gets interesting!

The lack of a ballast number may reflect the fact that none of the boats under discussion has ballast in the traditional sense of the word - they're centerboarders.

Looks to me like Little Mo could be a bilger if one wanted to build the other bilge case...That's one designer's way of looking at it. Others quote D.W.L. displacement as half crew and tanks half full. Others quote D.W.L. with tanks full. Then they don't tell you how far you can load the boat above D.W.L. Where's the Plimsoll Mark when you need? Ppounds per inch immersion? Show me that. B&B yachts and Dudley Dix are the only places I have found a PPI figure. John Welsford does give 3 weights for Swaggie. Empty, Normal cruise and maximum load. Big THUMBS UP! to John for that information.

Ballast bees ballast. Inside, outside, steel, lead, cement, water. It's ballast. I would like to know how much. Sorry, I'm ranting. Just a hunch. The centerplate is steel and those runners on the outside of the hull are made of something hard and heavy.

The single board will work just fine assuming the designer knew his stuff. Apparently Mr. Ganley knew his stuff. He was from New Zealand. Good enough for me. Why add time and money to the boat?

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[ 04-14-2005, 05:48 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]

[Meerkat]

Mostly because I have a symetry fetish wrt boats... plus, I've run leeboards and I did find that changing boards by the tack did make a difference in performance!

I would really like to know what "Little Mo's" headroom is! :)````

[Venchka]

Based on my generally accurate dimensions (+ or - 1/2") derived from the JPEGs placed into an AutoCAD file, Little Mo's headroom is 4'-5 1/2" measured at the table support. From low point of hull to high point of hatch, 5'-2". The salon berths are 24" at the wide point x 6'-0" long. Salon table: 2'-1"x1'-9". Mast: 23'-3". Bowsprit: 3'-8". Bulwarks: approx. 6" high. Coachroof: 7'-5" long. Cockpit: 4'-4" long. Anything else I can measure for you?

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[ 04-15-2005, 03:14 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]

[Meerkat]

Thanks!

Yes, just a couple more measurments please:
http://www.fairmetalboats.com/boatPictures/LittleMoSectPage.jpg

From the cushion top to the overhead at the outter edge of the cabin (not under the side deck!)

Can you figure out how wide the side decks are?

[Venchka]

Originally posted by Meerkat:
Thanks!

Yes, just a couple more measurments please:
http://www.fairmetalboats.com/boatPictures/LittleMoSectPage.jpg

From the cushion top to the overhead at the outter edge of the cabin (not under the side deck!)

Can you figure out how wide the side decks are?Can I figure out how wide the side decks are? :D

9" at the widest point on the hull.

From the top of the bunk cushion to the low point of the cabin roof: 2'-7". This is one dimension I must hedge a little on. The profile and section drawings aren't matching. So, I'm going to say the clearance over the bunks is not less than 2'-6" nor more than 2'-8". Fair enough?

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[ 04-15-2005, 03:15 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]

[Hwyl]

Off topic warning. Wayne, am I to understand that you just put the jpeg files (which are the same as drawings right) into a CAD program, you didn't have to draw it in?

I already knew "you da man", but this is amazing.

With this system could I scan my hand drawn drawings and then they would be instant CAD?

Gareth amazed in Maine

[Venchka]

Not quite. I am not the Man. I met him once. I ain't him.

Here's what I do. Save the file from the internet to my 'puter. Open my file of boats to consider. Insert raster image-the jpeg file of the boat I just saved to my 'puter. If I know two dimensions (usually LOA and Beam), I scale the jpeg file accordingly. I do this by drawing two lines at bow and stern and a third line the correct distance equaling LOA. AutoCAD's scale command allows me to make one distance (the two lines at bow and stern) equal another distance-type in the LOA in feet. It really takes a lot less time to do than type. A quick check to confirm that LOA and beam are good and away I go. From there on, I use the AutoCAD dimension command to find the dimensions I want. I have real plans that I have used to verify that the dimensions on the jpeg files are close enough. Alas, the jpegs are still raster images and I can't alter the lines. I can trace over the jpegs. I do that when I'm playing "what-if" with cabin arrangements, etc.

Would that I had the nerve to actually create a boat in AutoCAD.

By the way, I really like the numbers I measured on Little Mo. I think the main cabin arrangement is about the best I have ever seen in a boat this size. The galley/locker/table idea is awesome. I have mixed feelings about the sail plan. Perhaps the full plans show an alternative sail plan or addtitional headsails. We shall see.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[ 04-15-2005, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]

[John Meachen]

I don't know if it helps but I have an old version of Corel Draw that allows scanned drawings to be saved in .dxf format. This means that you can make a fairly direct move from manual drawing to CAD file.The only downside is that the drawings need to be bold and clear or you can find yourself with thousands of entities where you might have expected a line or curve to be.

[JimD]

Little Mo has a lot of style, too. Don't know if I like that big genoa. Thinking an arrangement up front such as on the Dudley Dix boats would work nicely.

[Venchka]

Originally posted by Venchka:
...I have mixed feelings about the sail plan. Perhaps the full plans show an alternative sail plan or addtitional headsails. We shall see.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D Are you reading my mind again? My hand was reaching for the phone to call FairMetal Boats when I was distracted to do some work. Hopefully they will answer a few questions without making me buy study plans.

However, I have it on good authority that a big reaching headsail is handy in the light air along the B.C. coast.

Would you feel comfortable in Little Mo between Victoria and Port Angeles?

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[JimD]

Would you feel comfortable in Little Mo between Victoria and Port Angeles? Probably. How is she ballasted, and how much? If its an off center centerboard I can't see it being made of inch thick steel plate.

[Hwyl]

Originally posted by John Meachen:
I don't know if it helps but I have an old version of Corel Draw that allows scanned drawings to be saved in .dxf format. What version do you have John?

[Meerkat]

If I were to do a Little Mo, I would turn that big jib into a jib and staysail: cutter. Lot of room there for a good wide throat between the inner stay and the headstay!

Probably jog the cabin profile too (see "Shoal Waters"! ;) ) for a bit more headroom over the aft end of the cabin.

Also, if possible (really try hard), a forehatch big enough to egress from in an emergency.

I'd like a skeg in front of the rudder: just enough to support the bottom end and allow the odd lobster/crab pot line to slide under without hanging up on the rudder.

I note there is no marking on the study plan for any kind of compression post in the way of the mast... ring frame or oversight? ...

One more measure - that from the outter edge of the cushion to the overhead - can one slouch back against the hull in comfort?

Found this on the web:
LOA 5m or 19 feet
LWL 5.35m or 17 feet 6 inches
Beam 2.38m or 7 feet 10 inches
Draft .35m or 1 foot 2 inches
Draft board down 1.15m or 3 foot 4 inches
Displacement 1.25 tons
Ballast 37%
Sail area 175 sq ft

Maybe the ballast % will give an idea of how much additional ballast is added.

[JimD]

Ballast 37% - Maybe the ballast % will give an idea of how much additional ballast is added. 37% sounds reasonable enough. Perhaps where it goes is left out of the thumbnail plans the same way a compression post is left out. I would be more than happy to bolt a hunk of iron or lead to the underneath or add a ballast box. Some will say this increases wetted area and draft for shoal sailing but I'd be in favour of getting the ballast as low as possible. That's another reason I prefer V bottoms. Inside ballast can be placed well below the waterline and still be kept out of the useful interior space.

For comparison purposes Ganley's 17 foot catboat is listed as 3,046# displacement while Wittholz's 17 footer, very comparable in size, is listed as weighing 2,400#. Its hard to see a reason for the difference other than defining weight and displacement differently unless Ganley's has something like 1,000# ballast and Whittholz only 500#, which doesn't seem likely.

[ 04-16-2005, 01:48 PM: Message edited by: JimD ]

[Meerkat]

How tall are the rigs in the two boats?

As someone might have mentioned, Kiwis will tend to design boats more suited for the open ocean since they're closely surrounded by some rather boisterous waters!

[Meerkat]

Originally posted by JimD:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Would you feel comfortable in Little Mo between Victoria and Port Angeles? Probably. How is she ballasted, and how much? If its an off center centerboard I can't see it being made of inch thick steel plate.</font>[/QUOTE]If a Chebacco can do it - repeatedly - don't see why a Little Mo can't!

The voyage from the mainland to Vancouver Island is a far more ambitious route - must be 20-30 miles of open water there! I've been over it on the Thewassin (sp?) to Nanaimo ferry run. Wow!

On a larger scale, Shane Acton circumnavigated in "Shrimpy", a 23' or so centerboard yacht.

[ 04-16-2005, 03:21 PM: Message edited by: Meerkat ]

[JimD]

Vancouver to the island can get very breezy at times. Last time we took the ferry I spotted only one brave sail boat, at least a twenty footer, sporting only a trisail or perhaps it was a deeply reefed main. I could only just keep my balance on the ferry deck without holding on to the railing. Plenty of white caps. I'm a poor judge of wave height but I would not have wanted to be out there in a small, very light displacement boat even though I realize braver souls than myself have done it.

PS - Its 'Twassen'.

[Venchka]

The mast tabernacle is supported by a full bulkhead at the forward end of the setee berths. It shows in the section view, with a hole in it to access the forward v-berth. You could save the plywood you cut out and turn it into a watertight door sealing off the entire bow. A collision bulkhead.

37% ballast is 1,036 pounds. Leaving a 1,764 pound hull. This is one stout boat. Where you gonna hide half a ton of ballast in this boat?

We have a 100 sq. ft. disparity in sail plan. 275 from Fairmetal and Meerkat's 175. Hmmm...maybe there is a range of headsails as I suspected.

The cabin mods, skeg & a nice big foredeck hatch are simple building tasks. A dodger might suffice in place of raising the roof. The forward hatch would be handy for fordeck chores. Grafting an outboard to that transom looks formidable. A bridge deck would make a safer, stronger boat.

The boat's too heavy for piddlepharting around a bunch of islands on any coast: Northwest, Gulf or East.

Now, if you wanted to load 200 pounds of water and food under each of the setee berths and sail over the horizon, Little Mo would be a good candidate.

My onepounditis sure took over on this one. It does have the neatest cabin I have seen in a small boat. I need to figure out how to do that in a boat that weighs half as much.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[Venchka]

Tsawwassen

[John Meachen]

For Hwyl's information,I have Corel Draw8 which I believe has since been marketed as Corel Draw Classic.

[Hwyl]

Thank's John.

[JimD]

Originally posted by Venchka:
TsawwassenAlways doing things the hard way, eh, Wayne :D Although you have quoted the politically correct spelling as opposed to the one most tourists can read without tripping over it:

Welcome to The Tsawwassen First Nation

In our language, the word Tsawwassen is translated as "land facing the sea." It also provides an accurate description of our home -- the 290-hectare (717 acre) reserve located at Roberts Bank in Delta, on the southern Strait of Georgia near the Canada-U.S. border.

A proud, sea-faring Coast Salish people, we traveled and fished the waterways of the southern Strait and lower Fraser River for thousands of years. Our ancestors were accomplished fishers, and salmon and sturgeon were mainstays of our traditional diet. That is still the case today we fish for salmon, eulachon and many other species. At the same time, we are also working to bring jobs, economic opportunity and a renewed sense of hope to the Tsawwassen people

[ 04-16-2005, 05:06 PM: Message edited by: JimD ]

[JimD]

37% ballast is 1,036 pounds. Leaving a 1,764 pound hull. This is one stout boat. Where you gonna hide half a ton of ballast in this boat? Compare to Dudley Dix CC 19 - 838# ballast, 2,425 displacement at designed water line and one inch immersion per 358#. Ganley' approach seems a little odd for a flat bottom design. But if you took an empty Little Mo and placed it on a weigh scale I don't see how it could weigh 2,800#s any more than if you took Ganley's 15 foot daysailer Shoal Bay Drifter, with a wopping 75 square feet of sail, and weighed it it would weigh 936#. Ganley can't be using empty weight to calculate displacement.

[ 04-16-2005, 07:46 PM: Message edited by: JimD ]

[Meerkat]

T'would be nice if someone got Little Mo study plans and reported to the group. Alas, I can't afford it. :(

[JimD]

Meerkat, I'm almost curious enough to buy study plans for Little Mo but I've found that some designers study plans don't provide even basic info such as ballast. Perhaps emailing and asking might be more fruitful, and less expensive as well.

[Venchka]

Jim, the dry weight of the Dix CC19 is listed at 500 pounds less than the D.W.L. displacement. Dudley Dix is one of the very few who gives you decent information about his boats.

I sent an email to Fair Metal Boats. If I don't get decent answers, I'll call with all the questions I can remember. Big question: price of study plans credited to full plans?

Tough call. Study plans for Little Mo or full plans for Red Onion? Remember Red Onion? The boat that started this long strange trip.

Meerkat, I haven't forgotten your dimension.

I don't need a 2,800 pound boat! :eek:

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[JimD]

Red Onion? How could anyone ever forget? :D And I may still get plans for Onion or Oats, or better yet, Milford. Ted Brewer is another designer who provides plenty of info and when I bought study plans for one of his ketches a few years ago he sent me several sheets that was darn near the complete plans less the table of offsets.

[Venchka]

One more measure - that from the outter edge of the cushion to the overhead - can one slouch back against the hull in comfort?
Meerkat, 18", give or take a bit of cushion sag and sheer curvature.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[Meerkat]

Drat - I don't think even a merekat can slouch in that small a distance! :( ;)

[Venchka]

Or a Venchka. That seems pretty standard in boats this size. Reason to contemplate extending the cabin sides to the sheer.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[ 04-18-2005, 10:13 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]

[john welsford]

Swirly World is not on her usual Little Shoal Bay mooring, I gather that Andrew Fagan in now living back in Auckland so he may have her out for maintenance.
Waiata ( Dave Rs Ganley Gypsy Cutter ) is out of the water for some work on the centercase right now. Should be back in soon for some winter cruising.

JohnW

Originally posted by John B:
If it interests you guys , I'll go and take a few pics. It'd have to be next week though. I haven't seen it out.Wasn't at mahurangi that I saw either.

Never did find Swirly World though Meer. I'll have another squizz when winter racing starts.

[john welsford]

For those who dont know, my friend Denis Ganley and his wife died in a horroshow car crash some years back, and the Denise Ganley who now sells the plans is their daughter. Can be confusing, but the designer is gone, and the plans are still as good as they come. Even if they are mostly steel!

John Welsford

[JimD]

Speaking of salty looking plywood centerboard gaff sloops in the 19-20 foot range, one could do worse than Karl Stambaugh's Mist

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid165/p3c4d333127b103766363e75f2983c947/f46a1484.jpg

[WWheeler]

and the plans are still as good as they come. John, I must admit to a definite fascination for his Colin Archer-style design in steel. Now that I'm out of the closet (not wood, shocking!) I feel so much better about it. There would be lots of wood I promise. (Decks, cabin, furniture). However, way up in the Northern Latitudes, we haven't heard much about this designer or this particular design. Any comments? (This would have to be for use on the Great Lakes, no small body of water.)

http://www.fairmetalboats.com/boatPictures/HitchHickerArgPage.JPG

[ 04-19-2005, 01:30 PM: Message edited by: WWheeler ]

[John B]

Well I'm confused now. ( so whats new, I hear reverberating around the world)
I thought Daves boat was called Blue Jacket. Waiata?
I stopped at milford on sunday but ( after Jase's comment)assumed he was out sailing. I'm back over the North shore tomorrow so I'll stop in again to see what I can see.
saw you in passing at mahurangi John... but I was running late for an appointment with the tender hanging off the back of the start boat and you were deep in conversation.. didn't want to interrupt you or miss having to bunt the thing out of the way.

[ 04-19-2005, 05:30 PM: Message edited by: John B ]

[Meerkat]

I believe "Waiata" was the original name for Dave Robertson's boat...

Dave, being ex-RNZN (hope I got that right), has a thing for "Blue Jacket"s ;)

[Meerkat]

John B;

I found a press release online that Andrew Fagan, "Swirly World's" owner, is back in NZ and working as a co-host on a morning program(me) for "Radio Kiwi" 93.8FM in Auckland area (http://www.kiwifm.co.nz/base.html)

He's bound to know where Swirly has gotten to.... ;)

(Edited to add:)

Just noticed that Fagan "is currently being honoured in an exhibition on intrepid kiwis at the Maritime Museum in Auckland." - perhaps that's where "Swirly World" is!

[ 04-19-2005, 11:49 PM: Message edited by: Meerkat ]

[Venchka]

Originally posted by Meerkat:
I believe "Waiata" was the original name for Dave Robertson's boat...

Waiata was/is Dave's Navigator.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[John B]

a few Blue Jacket shots . you can get nice and close but the finger is short so I couldn't get any stern/cockpit shots for you .
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid165/p0371f8f5f1d4d6b876c2b20a8fb02a11/f464ac28.jpg
imagest. album (http://www.imagestation.com/album/index.html?id=2127822497)

[ 04-21-2005, 05:02 AM: Message edited by: John B ]

[Venchka]

Thanks, John. That is a handsome boat! Any rumors of Little Mo ever being built down your way?

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[John B]

I haven't heard of one but then, I'm not really in that loop. Keen to see Bluejacket out some time though.
She's quite a big boat in the flesh. lots of details going on there.The whole anchor well/foredeck idea. Those furlers are interesting... no top swivels because the halyard is kept on the luffspar.IE: a cheekblock at the top of each luff spar returning the halyard down the luff to cleat off down at the tack.

[davidjasper]

Oy yerself I've done things up that Space Needle that you won't have. During the World Fair too!

Don't get much of a chance to go play on these Forums but if you want more info on the Ganley boats I am happy to pass it on. Nothing much comes out of the Ganley office anymore so you will have to rely on anecdotal stuff.
I have at last had a chance to give BlueJacket my Gipsy Cutter a serious workout. 10 days out with 5 single handed and 5 2 up. It included a 30nm run up around 6.4 knots which is as good as a years holiday. My trip confirmed that my modifications have given me exactly the sort of boat I want for the Hauraki Gulf.
I missed the Mahurangi Regatta and most of the summer sailing due to centrecase problems. It turned out a 19mm wide Cleveco block with becket dropped off the mast by the rigger went down a 20mm slot left when I had the inspection plate off. Coincidentally I had the boat dried out on the slip while replacing the old Yammy 9.9 with a new one. 2 to 3 tons of boat sitting on the centreboard with the Ramco block was too much and bingo I had a 20mm split up the front of the case. Hence my suggestions about a few bolts.
It took 6 weeks to get the sodding thing out between tides and clear all the debris but that's another story.
The BlueJacket pages on www.woodenboat.net.nz (http://www.woodenboat.net.nz) will get an update soon as I have finally tracked down Wayne Larsen who actually built this boat. Wayne tells me the plans are very undernourished and there is little data in them about such things as ballast. You get to have a bit of an adventure and do some lofting and guesswork.
Much the same for the rigs and it looks like most Ganley design builders make their own minds up in that department
He did a bloody good job and I am real happy I found it up for sale.

[davidjasper]

I should have read all the entries.
The Ganley is called BlueJacket because Coast Guard would not let me have two boats called WAIRUA. We were going to sell the Navigator but changed our minds for a while. Her original name was LILLY OF TE PUNA and before that OLD SALT or something.
BLUEJACKET is actually the name of a famous gaff pilot cutter that ran out of Penzance and we were living in Penzance Road at the time. The ex navy thing is just a supporting case for the choice,
The furlers.... just wonderful but they are a bit floppy the way they are set up. With the oregon stick there is no way I can ever set them up any more taught. Next week we are shifting the rigging screws to the top of the stays and that will tidy the arrangement up.

[John B]

I see you got my email :D

[Jase]

I think Daves a lurker smile.gif Did you get away over anzac John??

[John B]

nah. I had kid duties for 10 days while Kirsty was visiting relatives in the U.S.

[davidjasper]

Originally posted by John B:
I see you got my email :D

[davidjasper]

Originally posted by davidjasper:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by John B:
I see you got my email :D </font>[/QUOTE]Yes it was actually on my laptop which got tired of waiting for me to come back from sailing and downloaded all my emails for me.

[davidjasper]

Originally posted by Venchka:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Meerkat:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Venchka:

Look at the displacement. "That's a big short boat, Paw-Paw."

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D Should imply good load carrying capacity?</font>[/QUOTE]True enough, or a very heavy empty boat. Once again, the designer has failed to inform us if the displacement figure is all up with crew of how many? and stores for how long? or the dry weight before loading? GRRRR! Or do I just not get it? Does everyone else look at a displacement figure and know that it includes crew for every bunk and provisions for an extended voyage?

Hmmmm...I may have seen the light and answered my own questions kinda sorta maybe. If I wanted to go for an extended cruise on this boat by myself, the weight of "crew for every bunk" not present would be in the neighborhood of 450-500 pounds. That's a lot of groceries and water and beer.

OK, but the designer omitted the ballast. GRRR!

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D </font>[/QUOTE]This is as good a place as any to put in my five bobs worth on Gipsy Cutter displacement.
The boat was found in a yard about 200 km from here and was in no condition to transport on her bottom. So I trucked it up. The weight of the bare boat with sails onboard and mast on deck as registered on the crane was 2.5 tons.
I had removed lead blocks which were bolted on angle irons to the bottom of the keel. My predecessor did not understand the concept of reefing very well. Subsequently I cut those into smaller blocks to stow under the floors. That was 300kg of lead which Wayne tells me D Ganley thought she might need but he would have to find out for himself. I have put another 200kg of bagged shotgun pellets under the floors for'd to pull her down to her lines. Albeit some of that was to counter the weight of the Yamaha 9.9 four stroke [99lb] I have in the transom.
We [John Welsford and I] are contemplating the merits of putting a 120mm 'shoe' on the bottom of the keel to make her a bit less tender and also enable us to remove the centreboard. The centrecase does not actually get in the way but the potential problems with the centreboard may not justify having it. After all I don't race and the iron jib is just a key start away.
You can find a reasonable study print of all of the 'wooden boat range' at www.woodenboat.net.nz (http://www.woodenboat.net.nz) and also at Fairmetal.
For your interest this is the last known state of plan sales:
Caique 83 sets. 1 at least was built as a fin keeler and as HEDGEHOG did very well in the Auckland to Moolabaa single handed race.
Shoal Bay Drifter 67
Lizzie 5
Cat Boat 1
Mumbles 4
Gipsy Cutter 2 BlueJacket only one built??
AppleJack 2
Wild Duck 3
Caique Two 3 Don't know what that looks like but it could relate to HEDGEHOG above. John Welsford got one set so he might know.
Little Mo 2
Hope that helps

[Venchka]

Thanks David and John for educating us and keeping The Ganley plans alive.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[davidjasper]

Ref Andrew Fagan and Swirly World. Saw him being interviewed on TV last night and he said his boat is currently out of the water and being given a refit. No idea where.

[Venchka]

Originally posted by davidjasper:
Ref Andrew Fagan and Swirly World. Saw him being interviewed on TV last night and he said his boat is currently out of the water and being given a refit. No idea where.Different color paint maybe? tongue.gif

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[John B]

he's everywhere ATM. I saw him as a guest on a music station last night. A few nights ago he was playing up to the camera as DJ.( he is a DJ).

[Meerkat]

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I wonder if someone could find an email address for Mr. Fagan.

BTW, he's not just a DJ AFAIK. I think he's got a degree(s) in something or other, possibly music.

[John B]

He's DJ at the moment is what I mean. His main claim to fame is lead singer of a band called the Mockers. 1980 something they had a profile in NZ.

[Meerkat]

Yes, I've read his profile - that's where I got the notion that he's got some higher degrees. Read a bit of his poetry too.

[davidjasper]

I have finally tracked down Wayne Larsen who built my Gipsy Cutter.
His story is a must for anybody contemplating buying a set of GC plans.
I hope to have it started on woodenboat.net.nz in a few days.
Jasper