Grey Seal

[gert]

What is her trailer weight?
Thx

[Venchka]

Like all boat things, it depends. Mostly on the density of materials. Search the forum for the guy in North Carolina who is building one. He posted here a few months back. This is a guess, because I haven't looked at the catalog lately, 3,500-4,000 pounds. That's Iain's estimate in the catalog. My feeling is that the boat will be heavier than that based on my one experience having one of his designs built.

You really need to talk to the person building one in North Carolina. Here you go. Grey Seal with two very good changes, in my opinion.

Grey Seal (http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=008430&p=)

She is a deep boat so the trailer will need to be custom made to support her properly.

WoodenBoat Magazine # 128-129-130 have a 3 part Building Grey Seal series.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[ 12-08-2004, 01:42 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]

[Dave Gray]

If I recall correctly, which is debatable as my memory decays inversely with the square of light, about 32000 pounds. But Venchka has noted that Ian Oughtred underestimates weight on other designs.

[Dale H]

Um, Dave, got an extra zero in there?

Dale

[Venchka]

It's all in the materials. All ocoume plywood (ick) will be a lot lighter than meranti (ick-to maybe ok), fir (???) or sapele. Doug fir frames/backbone will be lighter than oak. Yellow cedar frames/backbone will be lighter than doug-fir. Western red cedar anywhere you can use it will be lighter still. Galvanized fittings lighter than bronze. Etc. Etc. PLUS, there's a lot of weight in spars, rigging, sails, etc. When I weighed Elisabeth Grace she was ready for 24 hour sailing. That is the true trailer weight.

The listed displacement in the catalog is 3,850 pounds. Ballast at 1,250 pounds. That yields 2,600 pounds for the hull, spars, rigging, etc. If your careful, it could probably be done at 4,000 pounds or maybe a bit less. 6,000 pound double axle trailer with brakes.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[Dave Gray]

Ah what's an extra 0 amongst friends, especially if it is on a check? Made out to me of course. :D

[Venchka]

We can speculate all day. Why not call Jim Wagner and ask him if he has weighed Saturday Morning. His address and phone number are at the bottom of his web page.

Saturday Morning (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JamesWagner/index.html)

When you find out, please let the rest of us know, ok?

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[gert]

I emailed him a couple days ago. The extended roof on MikeP's GS realy looks good, make her seem longer. I too asked Iain about the gaff yawl and got that same sketch; but I don't need to make that particular decision for a while yet. My concern here was whether my truck could pull her (assuming it's still around in 3 or so years)

[ 12-08-2004, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: gert ]

[Venchka]

Jim Wagner says he pulled Saturday Morning with a Ford Explorer. That seems a little light to me, but it must work. A 1/2 pick-up ought to work. You might need air shocks/air bags on the rear suspension and a transmission cooler if it has an automatic for long trips. To/from a nearby launch won't require much truck.

Buy a digital camera and make us all envious during construction. :D

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D