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[Memphis Mike]

It's a Glen L Design. Sue and I want a small campboat and I think this might fit our needs. What else is available along this lines. Any ideas? Motor only. No sails.

http://www.glen-l.com/designs/cruiser/cruiser-images/dsn-cru.jpg

Here's the link. What cha'll think? Hey, that rhymes. :D

http://www.glen-l.com/designs/cruiser/cruisette.html

[ 03-04-2006, 05:45 PM: Message edited by: Memphis Mike ]

[gert]

Very very pretty smile.gif

[Hal Forsen]

How fast do you want to go? How much HP are you envisioning? Will you be using the berths much?
HF

[JimD]

Any interest in an economical low speed, low power boat such as Sam Devlin' Dipper? A wheel house type cabin with plenty of shelter to offer and 10-15 hp is all ya need.

[Paul Pless]

What about one of these
http://www.billthomaswoodworking.com/images/B12_Redwing_underway.jpg

[Memphis Mike]

Those are pretty cool but I like the idea of 40 to 50 horses. The Glen L is rated for 60 max.

[Katherine]

MMike, you like the ol Chris Crafts and solid ones are pretty cheap, why not look for one of thei smaller ones?

[JimD]

Devlin's Noddy Beach Cruiser is 16'x7'3" and rated for 50 horsies:

http://www.devlinboat.com/dcnoddy.htm

[Dolly Varden]

Originally posted by Paul Pless:
What about one of these
http://www.billthomaswoodworking.com/images/B12_Redwing_underway.jpgthe problem with this design is you need a periscope if youre the helmsman

[Paul Pless]

Mike, do you need the hardtop?

[Vince Hoffmann]

Swoopy! I like it :cool:

[Tar Devil]

She's pretty, Mike! Kinda tight on headroom, looks like.

Later,

Phil

[Memphis Mike]

Paul, we want the hardtop cuz we plan to sleep on it.

It may be a little tight Phil but Sue and I aren't very big people but when ya throw in the dog.......? :rolleyes:

Katherine, I'd like to have a Chris Craft but you simply can't find one around here anywhere and I have to make a cross country trip to get one.

Jim, the Devlin looks a little too "boxy" for me.

[Mike Vogdes]

Mike,
Looks like a nice boat for camping / traveling. Easy to launch and retrieve, easy to tow, here's another one just a little bigger in stitch and glue.

http://www.boatplans-online.com/proddetail.php?prod=c17

[pipefitter]

I would think if you were to consider looking for a design,you could start at the beginning of the alphabet

A-Atkin

http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Photos/Ninigret/BriesNinigret-02.jpg

[stumpbumper]

Mike, this design looks like it may fit your requirements. These photos were originally posted in a previous thread by John Bell.

Hope by Phil Bolger:
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL729/4281974/9000302/131902590.jpg

http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL729/4281974/9000302/131902585.jpg

[ 03-05-2006, 10:37 AM: Message edited by: stumpbumper ]

[John Bell]

Pipefitter and Stumpbumper (don't y'all have real names? ;) ) hit on my two favorites. HOPE may be too small to be a good camp boat, however.

NINIGRET is simply too lovely for words, but be mindful that the the top speed is limited to 15-18 knots. That's plenty fast enough for Georgia cracker like me, but it may not be fast enough for a West (By God) Virginia hillbilly. ;) :D

Another boat along the same lines as Ninigret that should deserve consideration would be Jacques Merten's NINA. (http://www.boatplans-online.com/proddetail.php?prod=LB22)

[pipefitter]

My name is Paul. I usually disclose it to regulars that email me. Never really considered disclosing it on an inet chat forum since most chat programs use nicknames for obvious reasons. Not so much scam oriented worries or privacy issues or shame. Just that there is so many with the same handle.That and I don't want to be called Junior. smile.gif

[stumpbumper]

Sorry, the name is Lynn. Guess I thought I was still in the "Bilge". Not safe there. Better to remain anonymous.

Lynn

[stumpbumper]

OK, Hope was too small, and maybe this one is too big for ya, Mike. But Tom Lathrop's Bluejacket is one of my favorites:

http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL729/4281974/9000302/131910580.jpg

The one above is the 24 ft version, powered by a 50 hp. Also avilable in 20 ft.

http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL729/4281974/9000302/131913974.jpg

Drawing of open cockpit version of Bluejacket 20. Heck, you and Sue could even take a couple of friends or, heaven forbid, relatives.

Lynn

[ 03-05-2006, 11:45 AM: Message edited by: stumpbumper ]

[Memphis Mike]

Thanks Stump. I still like the lines of the Glen L better.

I want something sleek looking.

I'm planning a fishing/camping trip to Arkabutla this spring.

Ya want me to give ya a call when we go?

Another reason is the truck I have {six cylinder Ford Explorer} is going to be the towing vehicle.

I don't want to get so big that I'll exceed it's towing capacity.

[ 03-05-2006, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: Memphis Mike ]

[stumpbumper]

Mike, yes definitely give me a call and if we can get by we will. Save me a brew.

Lynn

[Dolly Varden]

there are a lot of glen l designs, but why do i get the feeling that 99% of them are left over from the 50's and early 60's? they seem to have a "dated" look to them - not a classic look imo

[pipefitter]

6 cyl ranger would handle any of those. My 85 toyo with a 2.4L 4 cylinder hauled a 20ft whaler 90 miles south of here for many weekends. The whaler would be about double the weight of any of those.
I agree with Varden about the GlenL boats but I like some of their workboats.

[ 03-05-2006, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: pipefitter ]

[stumpbumper]

there are a lot of glen l designs, but why do i get the feeling that 99% of them are left over from the 50's and early 60's? they seem to have a "dated" look to them - not a classic look imo Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.

6 cyl ranger would handle any of those. I agree. Tom Lathrop pulls his Bluejacket 24 with a 6 cyl. minivan.

Lynn

[Memphis Mike]

I said Ranger but I meant to say I have a six cylinder Ford Explorer. It's a four liter V six.

Same motor.

[Hal Forsen]

I'm with Paul and Dutchie; it's kind of cute but it looks like something from back in the days when they were telling us we'd be drivin' flying cars by now... sort of Jetsony. It also looks a bit cramped but I'm six two. I love Ninigret; if that ain't sleek I don't know what is.
In the Simmons plans there's some shots of an 18' with a cuddy; again cramped imo; But a 20 or 22 would be sweet.
How about the Nexus marine line?
http://www.nexusmarine.com/images/21%27dory/exteriors/neah_bay.jpg

HF

[Memphis Mike]

I kinda like this that Mike Vodges posted.

http://www.boatplans-online.com/prodimages/C17_350.jpg

[JimD]

Originally posted by Memphis Mike:

Jim, the Devlin looks a little too "boxy" for me.Yup, I know what you mean. But I doubt if the cabin is part of the structural integrity of the boat. Bet you could easily redraw just about any cabin you want. At at a foot longer and over a foot wider than the Glen-L boat it would be a lot bigger inside and the hp rating is just what you're after.

[pipefitter]

Is it me or does that NINA mentioned above looks very much like the ninigret? Sure looks similar. Can anyone tell me other than the cabin what is so different?

[GROOVY]

I like the Islander, from GlenL.
Just looks like no one has built one in the last 20n or so years, photos look dated. But I guess the style is classic....

[Hal Forsen]

http://www.boatplans-online.com/prodimages/C17_350.jpg
This one you like looks a lot like Renn Tolman's skiffs which have proven themselves plenty.
http://www.fishyfish.com/bruce/img/bruce_tolman2.JPG
http://www.fishyfish.com/toddpowell/img/toddpowellstandard.jpg

HF

[Memphis Mike]

Another reason I like the Glen L is it has a frame kit that I can buy to speed up the building process.

What else is available that would have a frame kit?

I think I would like to go a bit larger than the 15ft. Maybe 17 or i8.

[Dolly Varden]

one lesson ive learned in life is always build stuff bigger than you think you need

[John Bell]

I really like this:

http://www.boatplans-online.com/prodimages/NV23_350.jpg

Novi 23 (http://www.boatplans-online.com/proddetail.php?prod=NV23)

I'd put a 75 HP Evinrude ETec on it.

You can buy a CNC cut panel kit, BS1088 Meranti, for $2,700. Not a bad deal, really.

[Dolly Varden]

lofting a boat has numerous advantages over using precut framing. i dont think youll save a drop of time by buying precut panels if you cant see how they are going to go together ahead of time or how to draw out and place bulkheads and soles and a myriad of other custom additons right where you want them to go

if youre gonna build a boat, build a boat. dont go for the pseudo boatbuilding experience

[JimD]

I've built two glen-l boats. One I bought the frame kit for and the other I made them myself. The kit frames were perfect and the cost was worth it for anyone not interested in making their own.

[Memphis Mike]

Jim, I want to get a frame kit to speed up the construction. I like to complete this in the next year or so, maybe sooner.

[JimD]

Originally posted by Memphis Mike:
Jim, I want to get a frame kit to speed up the construction. I like to complete this in the next year or so, maybe sooner.Well worth the money, Mmike. Saves considerable time. You might want to get the fastening kit as well which supplies the correct size and quantity of bronze fasteners. But price compare on the epoxy, though. I use Raka these days.

[Hal Forsen]

What else is available that would have a frame kit?
I'm a little biased but you could sure make it work with this...

http://bartenderboats.com/for-sale/19'%20Helm.jpg

http://bartenderboats.com/19-foot-kits.html

HF

[stumpbumper]

This one by Arch Davis is about the size and hp you want. I've heard his plans are very detailed. Looks like he offers kits too.

Bay Pilot 18 (http://www.by-the-sea.com/archdavisdesign/davis_bay_pilot_18.html)

Lynn

[capt jake]

Well worth the money, Mmike. Saves considerable time Maybe it's just me, but the 'time' is part of the journey to me.

[Hwyl]

Arch Davies' Jiffy V 22, has even this ragbagger interested.

http://www.by-the-sea.com/archdavisdesign/images/j-v22_bailey.jpg

[JimD]

Some nice boats, gentlemen, but the original poster is talking about a 15 footer. How did that turn into 22? There's another thread just down the street looking for sumthin around 20 feet, ya know. :eek: :D

[ 03-07-2006, 06:20 PM: Message edited by: JimD ]

[Hal Forsen]

I think I would like to go a bit larger than the 15ft. Maybe 17 or 18 tongue.gif
HF

[JimD]

Originally posted by Hal Forsen:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> I think I would like to go a bit larger than the 15ft. Maybe 17 or 18 tongue.gif
HF</font>[/QUOTE]In that case let me recommend something in the 25 foot range :D

[JimD]

Glen-L's 16 foot Cabin Skiff looks like a lot of boat for the size. And rated for 40 hp. If you go much bigger you'll have to double the horsepower.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid202/p9951d368fb9b29ef40a2eb0301014b91/efeb092a.jpg

[Lewisboats]

Something else for the pot:
http://www.skiffamerica20.com/skiff.html

http://www.skiffamerica20.com/graphics/design.gif

Steve

[Memphis Mike]

Jim, I like the Cabin Skiff. smile.gif I think you may have changed my mind.

The frame kit for it is even cheaper than the Cruzette.

[ 03-08-2006, 11:32 AM: Message edited by: Memphis Mike ]

[Mike Vogdes]

The skiff america 20 looks like a nice boat. Wonder if it really can be built complete for $8500.

[ 03-08-2006, 03:21 PM: Message edited by: Mike Vogdes ]

[Lewisboats]

I'd say add about 10-15% for inflation...the original(s) were built 4 or 5 years ago. Saw them last year at Rend Lake. Really hard to tell when they went from displacement to planning. They just seem to get a little higher out of the water.

Steve

[Dolly Varden]

im assuming that cost to build includes the motor and controls?

that skiff america looks suspicioulsy like this one. i wonder which was designed first?

http://www.cmdboats.com/images/rw18web_arr.jpg\

oops now i see the difference- one is heading east and one is heading west smile.gif

http://www.skiffamerica20.com/graphics/design.gif

the butt lines on the america are fairly straight as opposed to the butts tucked up on the cmd hull- i guess its meant to plane- i wonder if they are both flat bottom?

[ 03-08-2006, 05:01 PM: Message edited by: Dolly Varden ]

[JimD]

And Skiff America says...

The Yamaha 25 h.p. 4-stroke has proven to be an ideal powerplant. Giving 25 m.p.h. top speed, burning 1.2 g/hour at cruise speed of 15 mph, and can pull a skier with 3 people aboard the boat.

[Mike Vogdes]

The Skiff America has a walk thru cabin and that I'm not particularly fond of, but other than that it is very similar to the Redwing.

The price mentioned in the information includes everything, boat and finishes, motor and trailer.

Both are flat bottom...

[ 03-08-2006, 07:41 PM: Message edited by: Mike Vogdes ]

[Dolly Varden]

Originally posted by JimD:
And Skiff America says...

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> The Yamaha 25 h.p. 4-stroke has proven to be an ideal powerplant. Giving 25 m.p.h. top speed, burning 1.2 g/hour at cruise speed of 15 mph, and can pull a skier with 3 people aboard the boat. </font>[/QUOTE]thats pretty darn near unbelievable performance for a 20 foot boat. i wonder how they get the skier up on plane? air drop him?

[Tar Devil]

It's kinda funny, and a minor miracle that anything ever gets built.

Fella announces that he's gonna build "X" boat and gets 51 suggestions for something else! smile.gif

If 15' is long enough fer ya, Mike, just whip up a cabin for your Diablo! :D

Later,

Phil

[L.W. Baxter]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/kids/2004/06/images/twiggy-big.jpg

[Memphis Mike]

Originally posted by Tar Devil:
It's kinda funny, and a minor miracle that anything ever gets built.

Fella announces that he's gonna build "X" boat and gets 51 suggestions for something else! smile.gif

If 15' is long enough fer ya, Mike, just whip up a cabin for your Diablo! :D

Later,

PhilThe Windsprint will be basically finished in a couple of weeks, Phil.

I gotta have something else to build. You know how it is. :rolleyes:

[stumpbumper]

Mike, here's a very good website by Ray Macke with lots of photos and commentary about the building of his Glen-L Cabin Skiff.

Click Here (http://www.egyptian.net/~raymacke/index.html)

He did make some alterations to the cabin, plus he extended the length to 18 feet with the hope that it could carry four people. In the end however he said he regretted extending it - that it was just designed and powered to be a two person boat. The 16 foot length leaves no room for extra seats in the back. It's a nice design, but be sure it's what you want.

Lynn

[Tar Devil]

Ray's a nice guy. He's posted here before. Built an airplane, too!

Later,

Phil

[Memphis Mike]

Thanks Stump. smile.gif Great site. I think the CS built to 16 ft. will be plenty of boat for Sue and I and I don't see why we couldn't carry a third passenger.

I think it's the one but am still open to ideas.