S&G or plank on frame... how 'bout BOTH

[Tar Devil]

Today I received plans for this boat from Spira International...

http://www.spirainternational.com/gl_arro.gif

He tauts it as a stitch and glue, but the plans specify building a strongback, framing, fairing, cutting and glueing the bottom and side panels, then flipping it over and doing all the S&G stuff.

Looks to me like he designed a boat that's gonna take longer to build than either construction method otherwise would alone.

I wrote him to get his comments.

I still like the design and I'm glad I got the plans.

Phil

[ 03-16-2006, 10:25 PM: Message edited by: Tar Devil ]

[maa. melee]

kinda defeats the purpose of the speedy s&g method.

[Tar Devil]

Originally posted by maa. melee:
kinda defeats the purpose of the speedy s&g method.Uh huh! Zats what I told him in my email.

Later,

Phil

[plyboat]

We do it that way on boats over 20'(strongback, bulkhead and longitunial setup etc) because it is so much easier to stitch and fair the hull before tabbing and it eliminates one roll-over, but it does seem like alot of extra work for a small boat.
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[brian.cunningham]

When I built my outriggers, I wound up builing a jig to straigten it out before I glued it all up.

I'd never do another S&G w/o a jig again.

[Tar Devil]

Originally posted by brian.cunningham:
I'd never do another S&G w/o a jig again.I don't have as much a problem with the jig as with the frame and associated fairing. I don't actually have a problem with the framing stuff, I just have some issues with doing both the framing and S&G chores.

Looks to me I oughta just leave it at faired and planked.

Later,

Phil

[JimD]

the plans specify building a strongback, framing, fairing, cutting and glueing the bottom and side panels, then flipping it over and doing all the S&G stuff.
I'm still confused. Flipping it over and doing all what S&G stuff? Haven't you just built frames and glued all the panels to them? What's left to stitch and glue? :confused:

[Tar Devil]

My question exactly, Jim. According to the instructions, after you've basically already built a ply on frame boat, he says make epoxy fillets everywhere the panels join the stems, frames, chine logs, etc.

Donna make no sense to me, mate.

Later,

Phil

[JimD]

I think this is a new construction method: Frame and Fillet. :D

[Tar Devil]

Originally posted by JimD:
I think this is a new construction method: Frame and Fillet. :D Perhaps it should be marketed as an educational boatbuilding experience.

"Learn two processed in one boat!"

"Extend your boatbuilding experience!

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Later,

Phil

[Cuyahoga Chuck]

What kind of critter is this? 13' x 37"? Kind of fat for paddling and kind of narrow for oars.
Never could figure folk's love for short boats that are muscle powered.
I regularly paddle a pirogue that 14' x 30" and I'm always disappointed by the lack of glide. Get outrun by folks in poly kayaks down on the river. Next time it's 16' or nothin'.
Charlie