Lyle Hess Drawings

[emichaels]

Does anyone know the current situation with Lyle Hess designs/drawings. Who to contact to get study plans. Etc. The boat I am interested in is either Liaho 31'-8" LOD or the 29' Curlew. :(

Eric

[ 11-22-2005, 07:24 PM: Message edited by: emichaels ]

[Farmer Diddley]

I did some searching a few months back, and found these threads on another forum.

Address (http://www.everythingboats.com/boatbuildersforum/forum/bbs.pl?read=4402)

Address and Phone (http://www.everythingboats.com/boatbuildersforum/forum/bbs.pl?read=3479)

Let us know if you have any luck getting a copy of his plans

[ 11-22-2005, 08:29 PM: Message edited by: Farmer Diddley ]

[emichaels]

Thanks Farmer D. I will try the phone number to see whats available.

Eric

[MAGIC's Craig]

Eric:

Did you have any luck reaching Linda?
Were the plans you sought available?

Craig Johnsen

[emichaels]

Craig,
No I have not called yet. I have all the contact info and will do this soon. I will post here what I learn. I have been trying to find more info on the 32 foot cutter and the 30 foot cutter so I would know what I wanted to order for plans. I think I will go with the 30' as I intend to single hand this offshore and just the wife and I and a couple of dogs coastal.
Eric

[paladin]

2 feet gives a lot more internal volume for not much extra work.....and depends on where you are sailing leaves a lot more for internal stores..

[john welsford]

Years ago I bought a set of study prints from Lyle for the 30 footer, corresponded for quite a while before getting caught up in the consequenses of doing my own designing . But am still following the glacial progress of a freind who is building one.
its a Huge boat for 30 ft, as much space as most modern 35 or 36 footers. Plus is a big big project to build, especially if you want to make as nice a job of it as it deserves. I've rowed around Taleisin and marvelled at the shape and grace.
Dont take it lightly.

John Welsford

Originally posted by paladin:
2 feet gives a lot more internal volume for not much extra work.....and depends on where you are sailing leaves a lot more for internal stores..

[Hesp]

About 20% extra internal space in the 32 footer?

And probably 20% extra work.

I vote you build the 30 footer.

John

[emichaels]

I am leaning heavily to the 30 footer as that is all the boat we will need and want to maintain as we get older. I hope to do some solo offshore passage making with this boat and I don;t think I want to handle more that this boat. I am also thinking of building it as stripped then overlay and glass the outside the way Linda Smith did her Tenacity (WB 120 ) I want a solid, strong hull when done. I think this might be the best way to have that and still see wood on the inside.

Eric

[emichaels]

In WB 120 pp 102 that bottom pic of Curlew (Tim and Pauline Carr) boiling along under full sail is messmerizing. The power in that rig is just awesome. I would like to rig a 30' like that. I don't know what Curlew mesures LOA It looks like 26' or so. It is amazing that boat is 22,000 lbs, perhaps it is a 30'. Anyone know for sure ??

Eric

[ 12-11-2005, 08:46 PM: Message edited by: emichaels ]

[Neil H B]

Curlew Particulars, as reported in Wooden Boat 86 (Jan/Feb 89) are: LOA 38ft8inches, LOD 28'2", Beam 9'2", Draft 6'2", Displ 22,000lbs, working sail area 635 sq ft.

[John B]

amazing volume in them.. Lark( built off Curlews lines)
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p7ec7399ed9413a312493d8229f4f0cf3/f9e476bc.jpg

[Hesp]

Curlew's now at the National Maritime Museum Falmouth (Cornwall):

http://www.nmmc.co.uk/index.php?page=Curators_Arc hive&choiceid=31 (http://www.nmmc.co.uk/index.php?page=Curators_Archive&choiceid=31)

.......

I happen to have this drawing, which is probably not very accurate but gives an idea of the shape:

http://www.gaffcutter.co.uk/Curlew/C1_Lines.gif

John

[ 12-12-2005, 04:39 AM: Message edited by: Hesp ]

[Jeff Robinson]

This is a Hess 32 footer as built in the wooden boat workshop in Tasmania - the owner visits here sometimes

http://tinypic.com/ighjzc.jpg

[emichaels]

Now I am a little confused about the 38.8". The web link posted by Neil shows the LOA for the Carr's Falmouth Quay Punt, Curlew at 8.61m (28.25 ft) LOA. Where did the 38+ come from. The article in WB120 talks about Lark's lines coming from Curlew. Unfortunately my issues don't go back that far, something like 103 I think.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid196/p04751696b7c1a3149570f8ea8768ae27/f1166f56.jpg
This pic is Liaho 32' from WB Registry. Looks similar to earlier pic posted. Different rig though, but same hull and deck layout it looks.

Eric

[ 12-12-2005, 07:25 AM: Message edited by: emichaels ]

[emichaels]

Originally posted by Jeff Robinson:
[QB]This is a Hess 32 footer as built in the wooden boat workshop in Tasmania - the owner visits here sometimes
QB]Jeff, that hull, except for the eye in forepeak, looks just like Liaho. Did the boat you posted have the topsail in the rig also ??

Eric

[YMT]

Modern Channel Cutters. MCC's.
Available in the following sizes: 26' the picture.
The latest at 28'.
Also 30';32';34'-10" http://brad.smugmug.com/photos/42538240-M.jpg

[Brumenschenkel]

Have a look at Paul Gartsides' 30' cutter. She to is modeled after the Falmouth work boats, plans are readily available, and she is designed for modern constructon methods.

Lovely thoughts!

[emichaels]

I have looked at Gartsides designs. I like them, especially the smaller daysailers. I don't mknow if its the drawings themselves of the cutters, but they "look" a little to modern for my taste. I like the old shippy, work boat look of the Quay Punts of past. Don't know why.

Eric

[John B]

LOA used to always be the length overall of the hull and it was that way for years numbering in the hundreds of.If you went to Mr Fife or Mr Herreshoff and asked for a 40 ft LOA boat you got a 40 foot hull and 20 ft of spars for free ,not a 20 footer with bowsprit and boom overhang bringing you up to the 40.( this is an example only,not including rule measurements etc).
In recent history, and we're only talking since perhaps the '70/80's, marina managers have corrupted the original term into the literal by using length overall for the boat including spars. Also helped along by people who like to claim overstated boatlengths for the sake of their ego.Thats where a lot of confusion comes in. Mostly , people talk about length on deck for the hull these days.

[ 12-13-2005, 02:36 PM: Message edited by: John B ]

[Jeff Robinson]

Sorry Eric, I don't have those details. The boat is close to mine in the yard at the moment so I will talk to the owner today.

JR

[Jay Greer]

John B.
Thank you very much! I get sick of hearing about 38 foot boats that are really 30'LOA The golden term used to be, Length Between Perpendiculars. Lyle Hess and I had a few shots of rum discussing that one. His observation on the confusion over modern measuring was, "It's all wrong and the rest of it is questionable!"
JG

[ 12-14-2005, 02:26 PM: Message edited by: Jay Greer ]

[MAGIC's Craig]

Eric:
FWIW, Linda Smith's TENACITY is cold-molded (and sheathed). At the time of her launch, Lyle stated that she was the "best of the 30 footers"...but, then he might well have been caught up in the loveliness of the Launching Day and Linda's obvious radiant happiness.

If your travels might bring you out to the upper portion of the left coast, try to set aside a bit of time to look in on Bryan Gitten's Channel Cutter Yachts in Ladysmith, B.C. Bryan has the rights to build the very lovely Falmouth 34', the last (and perhaps most refined) boat Lyle drew in the series. While the volume is indeed usefully large, the boat can be made as easily manageable for a single handler as one of the 30's, IMHO. Bryan has the first of his boats being finished by its owner while he is setting up to finish off two complete boats for buyers...yah, yah, they are FG hulls, but if you can get over that minor hiccup, the shape is truly lovely...and you could always build a wooden deck/house/rig. ;)

Just another way to get on the water, after all.

Cheers,

Craig Johnsen
schooner MAGIC

[Jay Greer]

My wife Anne and I did the article on Linda Smith's "Tenacity" for Woodenboat Magazine. I was honored that she asked me to carve the transom for her. Linda is as talented as any of the guys I have worked with over the years. Her boat is a true work of art!
JG

[MAGIC's Craig]

Jay:

That was an absolutely beautiful job you did!! The crispness and attention to detail of the carving serve as a fine testament to your craftsmanship.

Well done.

Craig Johnsen

[Jay Greer]

Thank you Craig. I must say that I am just a humble boat builder and tend a get a bit flustered by too much praise.
JG

[emichaels]

That is truly eye catching work Jay. The article is darned good too. Yes I know it is a version of cold molding, though I think it might be a great compromise using the strip planking and then the overlays.. I just rec'd, Larry Pardays book on building the hull of Taleisin and the look of that perfectly executed carvel planking is stunning. The attention to detail he put into that build is amazing and inspiring.

Eric

[ 12-18-2005, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: emichaels ]

[Jay Greer]

Larry Pardy is a master of understatment. His work is exemplary and more akin to fine furniture than what us other rough boat carpenters turn out. I did have the pleasure of doing a bit of work and carving on both "Taleisen and Serrifyn". I also supplied 400 pounds of wine bottle lead foils for the keel casting party. We had every waitress and waiter in Orange Co. geared up to saving lead for Larry and Lynn.
JG

[ 12-19-2005, 09:20 PM: Message edited by: Jay Greer ]

[emichaels]

Jay, I apologize for not knowing, but do you do a lot of carving. Obviously you are masterfull at this skill. Do you work just on boats or do you do furniture also.

Eric

[Jay Greer]

Eric,
I am a boat builder/designer out of Port Townsend WA
formally I was in business in S. CA. I am also a wood carver and conservator of wooden art objects. I do furniture as well.
JG

[NYCKiwi]

Hi,
I was wondering whether anyone had been able to contact Lyle Hess's daughter? I sent a letter recently, but have yet to receive a reply.
Many thanks

[emichaels]

Well finally I got on the phone and called Lyle Hess's daughter in California. She is in fact at the old contact information previously posted in this thread. She is very knowledgable and helpfull. Plans are indeed all available and I have ordered the plan 177 for the 30 cutter. smile.gif Her husband also has the patterns for the elliptical ports used in this design and several others Mr Hess drew. Can't wait for them to arrive.

I have looked at several other designers plans.

Many of which have designed for cold molding which I decided I just don't want to do. I don't feel like I would be proud of my work no matter how well it turns out if I cold mold. I have nothing against this tech, but for me, on this boat, I want to see the planks.

Now the big question is .....how long will this boat take for ME to build.

Eric

[emichaels]

Originally posted by NYCKiwi:
Hi,
I was wondering whether anyone had been able to contact Lyle Hess's daughter? I sent a letter recently, but have yet to receive a reply.
Many thanksCall her. She called me back within 2 hours and chatted for quite a while. Very nice person.
562-595-7923

Eric