Link to small Swedish working boats

[Hans Friedel]

Here are some drawings of diffrent small boats the drawings are made by Bertil Andersson from original old boats most of them are destroyd by time.

Just klick on "båtritningar" and then on the small drawing to the right.

http://hem.passagen.se/bertil.andersson/?noframe

I dont have any comersial interest in this site but I think that Bertil has done a wonderful work

Have fun

Hans

[mmd]

A wonderful site, Hans; thank you for bringing it to our attention. I particularly like the Motorsnipa. I'll have to learn Swedish now. ;)

[G. Schollmeier]

Great site! Thanks.
Gary :D

[Chadd Hamilton]

Thanks for the link, Hans!

[LoonyToo]

Tak sa mycket!

That's really a wonderful collection of traditional craft. Did Mr. Andersson measure and draw all these boats?

I noticed many were from Blekinge--I've fond memories of boat camping with my uncle and his family in the islands around Karlskrona.

Thanks again,

Hal

[DougC]

Thanks, great site. Anyone know Swedish? Really beautiful lines nicely drawn. Are offsets available? Doug

[Hans Friedel]

The Snipa is the classical Swedish Double-ender related to the Viking Ships. There are a lot of different types of Snipas all over Sweden due to building technique, type of water etc.etc. They are all klink build boats and the seagoing types has a downbuild keel. Most Snipas can be saild. But the smaller ones are often rowed.

The Motor snipa is simply a snipa with an engine later on a cabin were added and this typ of boat become a very popular leisure boat.

Modern leisure motor snipa

http://www.trabatsakuten.nu/batbilder/snipor_motorseglare/snipor_14_main.htm

Boats with a transom is (sometime)called an “Eka” Like the seagoing “blekingeekan”

Yes Mr Andersson has made the plans (I think)

And yes you can buy plans from him according to the site models has been build from the plans. And you can also build real boats.

Hans

[Donn]

Do these gorgeous boats exist in any kind of quantity in Sweden? I mean...can one purchase a boat like this today, or are they something of the past?

[G. Schollmeier]

Talk about boat porn, I think I'm growing warts on my mouse finger. :eek:
Gary :D

[John Gearing]

Hans...
THANK YOU!

[Mr. Know It All]

Beautiful Boats Hans. smile.gif Thank You.
What kind of motors power these type of boats?
Kevin in Ohio

[DougC]

Thanks. That's a beauty -- like a Chris Craft built by Vikings. Might need to see more . . .

[TonyH]

Yes, thanks Hans, what a great site. That's a power of work Bertil has got through finding, measuring up and drawing all those boats, inspirational stuff. Nice draughtsmanship too.

I particularly liked #5 "Jaktkanot" ("canoe yacht"? - a very nice little sailing canoe, anyway)and #33 Lotsbat, a funky little daysailer.

Great stuff!

Tony

[Hans Friedel]

Well yes you can find wooden Snipas in Sweden maybee not a lot of them but still.

The Snipas are often built and design by the boatbuilder and they are not "exclusive" boats. Powered by a 10-20 hp diesel they are offering a very cheep way of messing around.

But a lot of the more high class Swedish wooden boats has been bought by people from other countrys. I think that you have more square meters in the US than we have here in Sweden.

I think it is the same with the Folkboats.

But you can always built one yourself :)

Hans

[Kermit]

That does it! Me and the Sabb G are heading for Sweden!

[Wild Dingo]

sigh... oooohhhh sigh... he deeply tosses out yet another sigh... strewth! yous really seriassly know where to hit a fella... viking boats the purest boat porn there is eeeerrr mmmmm schooners come a close 2 alongside luggers and soooooo many others but these are... simly and in one word... aweflaminsome!
:cool: :cool:

Elly Im comin dear!!! Sørkust I kin hear yer woman!!!... see what I mean??? :rolleyes:

Thanks Hans and yes before you ask you just go right ahead and post as much of that sorta porn as you wish!! ;) :cool:

Take it easy
Shane

Geez Tony our tastes do seem to run the same dont they!!! :eek:

[ 11-24-2002, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Seppo]

Originally posted by TonyH:
..snip..
I particularly liked #5 "Jaktkanot" ("canoe yacht"?
literal translation: Hunting canoe


and #33 Lotsbat, a funky little daysailer.
literally, Pilot boat

BR
Seppo

[schoonertack]

Thanks Hans, great boats I really like the way flare is worked into the bow on some of them, a feature I thought to be rarer in double enders.

[Hans Friedel]

Many of the boats are basicly rowing boats. "Real men dont sail" as an Norwegian marin archaeolog exprest it, and low freeboards are important on rowing boats and flare is important to avoid floding the boat.

But of course some of the boats are god sailors and you also se that they have higher freeboards

Hans

[Wild Dingo]

Okay gonna boot this one back to the top!! :D

Just cause I like to drool :eek:

Okay and one other thing hopefully Hans or Seppo are around... this site is in Swedish right which would understandably be the reason why its double flamin dutch to me!! :eek: bein mono lingo as I am... other than the pics of course :cool:

So Im wondering is Bertil Andersson able to speak Australian?... so I can have a yarn with him about thes beautiful designs... also if its in Swedish hows a fella supposed to understand the costs??

Wonder what else is hidden away in places like this??... must be more sites out there with plans and porn for a fellas jaded vision to get hooked onto surely??

Okay back to the porn show!! :D oh and Hans?... thanks mate!! :cool:

I am particularily taken with this fine little wench

http://hem.passagen.se/bertil.andersson/drawings/47_small.jpg

47 RUNDGATTING 21 fot. Längd 6285, bredd 2180 mm. Byggd på 1920-talet av Olof Olsson i Saxemara, Blekinge. Helt i ek. 5 ritningsblad i skala 1:10, profil, plan, spant, linje, sprisegel. Uppmätning nr 47. Augusti 1983. 300

yer wha???? :eek:

Take it easy
Shane

[ 12-05-2002, 08:09 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Hans Friedel]

Hi Shane

47 RUNDGATTING 21 fot. Längd 6285, bredd 2180 mm. Byggd på 1920-talet av Olof Olsson i Saxemara, Blekinge. Helt i ek. 5 ritningsblad i skala 1:10, profil, plan, spant, linje, sprisegel. Uppmätning nr 47. Augusti 1983. 300

#47 is a Doubleender 21 fot long "Längd" is length "Bredd" is with

Build by Olof Olsson in Saxemara in the region Blekinge. She is build complete in Oak. There are five drawing sheets included in scale 1:10

The boats profil and stations are on the drawings and also the rig.

The lines were taken 1983

The cost for a complete drawing set is 300 SKR

Hans

[Wild Dingo]

Bonzer Hans... now all I gotta do is figure what that is in Aussie and I'll be jake right? :D :D

Sorry mate not makin light of you just my bein mono lingual sometimes embarresses me! :rolleyes:

Take it easy
Shane

[John Gearing]

Here you go Dingo!

300 Swedish Krona is 59.61 Au$$ie and 33.40 US Bucks. 200 Krona is 39.74 in Oz and 22.27 in the US of A.

Exchange rate as of 12/8/02 per onlineconversions.com

[ 12-08-2002, 05:13 PM: Message edited by: John Gearing ]

[Paul Griffin]

Hans

So the price is about $53 Canadian for a set of plans for #33? How do I order them?

Paul

[Wild Dingo]

Stone the flamin crows!!! :eek: Is that all??? wow! :cool: so now the fancy footwork type question... are the distructions in Swedish AND English {I can manage English I think... just! :D } or will a fella have to keep hammering away in here to understand what theyre sayin?... mmmmm maybe a good bit of guessing to come?!! HA!... cripes thats a good price! Does the site say anything about postage?
And will he understand me if I email him?

Thanks John! :cool:

Take it easy
Shane

[ 12-09-2002, 11:36 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Hans Friedel]

Yes you can mail Bertil

You will find his mail adress under "Information"

Freight is not included in the price

Hans

[Pekka Huhta]

...Can't resist here. Although mine is not built in Sweden but here in the neighbourhood in Finland, the similarities are quite obvious.

See http://www.puuvene.net/phuhta/Manta_en.htm for details.

Pekka

[Donn]

Pekka...nice boat, and equally nice website.

[John Shin]

Thanks Pekka. A good story and great boat.

[John Gearing]

Hi Pekka!
You did a wonderful job fixing Manta! Thanks for sharing the story with us!!

John

[Ben Fuller]

The jaktkanot has a lot in common with Delaware duckers of which I am pretty well acquainted. Proportions are about the same as are the sections. And the fore and aft and side decks are almost diagnostic. I wonder how old that type is and whether the principles could have been brought over as early as the 17th century in the Swedish settlements on the Delaware? Obviously by the mid 19th construction had gone more modern with sawn frames and the keel had given way to a bottom board construction.

[John Gearing]

Ben--that's an intriguing idea....that in some cases we may be able to trace the lineage of our historic craft back to existing boats in the country of origin. I went back and looked at the lines for both the swedish boat and ducker and you hit the nail on the head!

[John Gearing]

Well, #2 has really caught my eye. I love the cod's head, mackeral tail shape (hydrodynamically inefficient tho it may be) so characteristic of working boats and the nice drag to the keel. I'm thinking that, like a Bahama dinghy, this Swedish boat should track and handle more like a small ship. But, can I plunk a mast into her, or should I just go ahead and build the Bahama boat as originally planned?? Thoughts, anyone?

And #5, the Jaktkanot, is right behind the Blekinseka (16 foot) on my wish list. Any thoughts on how much a lap-ply version might weigh? Thinking this might be a good model to use for re-tracing John MacGregor's canoe trips through Europe. Yeah, I know, he was double-paddling, not rowing, but I kind of like rowing...

[Ben Fuller]

Can't say about a jaktkanot, but the ducker traditionally built comes in around 150 with floorboard. I know of one that was done glued lap and that took about 40 pounds off. The cold molded ones we built were insanely light not much more than 75 pounds.

[John Gearing]

Just thought I'd toss this good link back up to the top in case there are folks who missed it the first time it was on page 1.

[Paul Griffin]

I recieved my plans a few weeks ago for #33 and 66. They look great. Just no table of offsets.

[John Gearing]

Is there a scale on the plans so that you can create your own offsets?

[Wild Dingo]

Great!! glad you wandered this one up as I was considering buying some plans from him if he ever answers his email! never mind...

What John said about the scale thing is more important!

Take it easy
Shane

[Paul Griffin]

Yes but the plans are all in metric.

[Otter]

Thanks for the link Hans. Thats a very nice site!

[jake]

Pekka
thats a sweet little boat, nice going,

I am going to be in Turku for the next six months, can you steer me towards seeing some nice wooden sail boats ?

jake

[Pekka Huhta]

Jake,

There are plenty of these boats around Turku and if you go south to the archipelago or all the way to Åland islands you'll see plenty of those more. On almost every boat marina, on all of the small harbours. We are kind of bacwards people here, at least what comes to old wooden boats smile.gif

I am collecting a calendar for next summers events for a woodenboat magazine, but that'll be ready on March-April. There is three clubs just for those boats around Turku and I know that they are going to have several races. Not to forget the Tall Ships Race on July.

If you're interested in those events (or the traditional boat clubs), send me an e-mail to pekka.huhta@puuvene.net and I'll send you more info.

Pekka

[John Gearing]

Just kicking this one back up to the top for a bit!

[Jerry Sousa]

Thanks John, I missed this one earlier. How nice to know that people treasure their maritime heritage.
Pekka, nice website you have there, Finland looks a very mysterious place. I knew a Finnish girl once, she could drink like a fish!

[John Gearing]

Earlier in this thread there is some discussion about the "jaktkanot" design at the swedish boats site, so I did some web sleuthing and found these pics of one a couple of fellows built. Looks to me that they modified the design a bit by extending the foredeck, but we can all agree I think that they made a beautiful boat!

http://www.algonet.se/~kittylou/bilder/jaktkanot/Yrla5.jpg

http://www.algonet.se/~kittylou/bilder/jaktkanot/Yrla8.jpg

And here is the skargardsneka they built...

http://www.algonet.se/~kittylou/bilder/ekan/Ekan5.jpg

This guy has a pretty nice site...
http://www.algonet.se/~kittylou/sailing.html

[WCM]

Earlier in this thread there is some discussion about the "jaktkanot" design at the swedish boats site, so I did some web sleuthing and found these pics of one a couple of fellows built. Looks to me that they modified the design a bit by extending the foredeck, but we can all agree I think that they made a beautiful boat!

http://www.algonet.se/~kittylou/bilder/jaktkanot/Yrla5.jpg

http://www.algonet.se/~kittylou/bilder/jaktkanot/Yrla8.jpg

And here is the skargardsneka they built...

http://www.algonet.se/~kittylou/bilder/ekan/Ekan5.jpg

This guy has a pretty nice site...
http://www.algonet.se/~kittylou/sailing.html

Although this is an older thread, I bumped it because there has been some recent comments on the Jaktkanot that have popped up in a thread concerning the building of another swedish boat a Blekingseka. http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=7554&page=2

Since some of those comments are mine I thought that rather than disrupting that thread further I would try to find one about Jaktkanoten.

In the top photo above the foredeck was not actually extended from the plans, rather the plans show two different versions. The detailed plan calls for a larger deck opening with the mast extending from the opening. An alternate plan version is also presented with the deck opening being smaller and the mast coming through the foredeck as depicted in the photos of the Jaktkanot with the smaller deck opening.

The dimensions as to length, beam etc. are the same for both versions of the Jaktkanot plan #5 by Bertil Andersson.

[WCM]

Below is a link to a Jaktanot that has the deck opening as depicted in the detailed plans by Bertil Andersson:

http://www.kustguide.net/kg_bilder/jaktkanot_021017/ombord.jpg

And a few more examples of the type:

http://www.kustguide.net/kg_efterlysning/060109_jaktkanot-Lillen.jpg

http://www.batritningar.se/images/photos/jaktkanot_thumbnail.jpg

http://www.skeppsholmsgarden.se/bilder/bildarkiv/jaktkanoten.JPG

It's been pointed out that the Jaktkanot was a more of a leisure boat for fishing/waterfowl hunting than a true work boat. It's been said that the Jaktkanot was developed around 1900 or so. Still, it seems to share much with other Nordic boats that have been around for a millennium. I just find the boat to be very pleasing to the eye and I suspect quite utilitarian for its' size.

[Pericles]

MMD,

Press the Engelska button for English.:D http://www.batritningar.se/default.aspx?Language=EN&Currency=SEK&Page=Information

Ooops!

I've just seen the date of your post. Mea culpa!

Pericles

[ddeaton]

A wonderful site, Hans; thank you for bringing it to our attention. I particularly like the Motorsnipa. I'll have to learn Swedish now. ;)

I really like the sailing version of the Snipa. Still no offsets in the plans? Looks a little complicated getting the funds to him for the order.

[David Geiss]

The hunting canoe looks very elegant.
Ben, or others: willing to hazard a guess as to how she will go to windward with the built in keel, whether she needs to be ballasted and what the likely draw will be?

Oh, would lengthening her do offense to the tradition of this vessel?

Best,
DG

[WCM]

I really like the sailing version of the Snipa. Still no offsets in the plans? Looks a little complicated getting the funds to him for the order.

Actually, I found that it is not complicated at all. However, it can be rather pricey depending on how much your bank charges for the transaction. You simply ask your bank to deposit to the credit of Bertil Andersson (the Swedish bank info is on the boating web site) the dollar amount necessary to cover the costs of plans and mailing. I received my Jaktkanot plans within a week from my order.

[Michael Beckman]

My bank, Washington Mutual, charged $20 for an international bank transfer. An additional $12 dollars international shipping also. But the plans are really cheap, so it works out fine.

[WCM]

My bank, Washington Mutual, charged $20 for an international bank transfer. An additional $12 dollars international shipping also. But the plans are really cheap, so it works out fine.

Your bank was a more reasonable than mine. You are right that the costs for the plans themselves are really modest so it all works out.
Good luck with your Blekingseka project.

[Per]

I´ve seen a number of hunting-canoes here in the Stockholm-area as well as in Blekinge.
I´ve also seen newbuilt samples on photos.
They are not typecasted as strictly as with many other older boat-types.
I believe that some boatbuilder in Blekinge built about 1000 samples during his lifetime. He had sons to help. They of course set a pattern.
However it´s not as with the Blekingseka, take off the transom and it´s no longer a Blekingseka.
While writing this I remember that there actually are Blekingsekor with another transom. They were built for really narrow and sheltered waters. I don´t know if anybody built one of these recently BUT they aren´t called Blekingseka.

[WCM]

Thank you for the background information on the Jatkanot and Blekingseka and their variations. Learning something of their history adds to the appreciation of the boat types.