Can we talk about 20', fantail, gaff rigged designs?

[MJC]

I was struck by the apparent similarities in below-the-waterline designs of some of the canoe yawls (ie: Vital Spark) and many of the fantail steamer launches (ie: Paul Gartsides smaller steam launches) that briefly sidetracked my quest for the "design I will build someday".

More or less plumb stems and shallow, long keels seem to be common to both canoe yawls and steam launches. The difference would be in the ballast. Fantails, aside from being jaw dropping gorgeous, allow for attractive, comfortable cockpits.

And obviously, gaff rigs need no defense on this forum.

So. Is there a trailerable design with a fantail and a gaff rig?

[preston]

The Truant is very nice.
Perhaps too big to trailer comfortably.

See http://www.nwboatschool.org/boats/sailboats.htm#Sailboat%20Index

Preston

[AngWood]

Well, I don't think it's trailerable:

http://www.nwboatschool.org/boats/truant_sailing_away.jpg

Shore is purty, though. Truant, by the Northwest School of Wooden Boatbuilding.

[MJC]

Wow. That's very, very pretty.

But, is there anything like that, shorter and with much less depth to the keel?

Removable cuddy? Hmmm.

[ 12-17-2004, 01:26 PM: Message edited by: MJC ]

[Meerkat]

How about the best of both worlds?: a steam powered motorsailor? Perhaps the ultimate in rich man's hobby craft... ;)

[Carlsboats]

That is one lovely boat. Who can tell me about her sailing qualities -- windward ability, spray tossing propinquities, quarter wave hauling tendancies, etc.?

[MJC]

Well, I didn't want to say anything for fear that I'd be mistaken for a rich man, but a steam powered motorsailor would really be something wouldn't it?

Check out this 5 meter steam launch, what would you change to make it sail? (http://www.jwboatdesigns.co.nz/plans/piwakawaka/index.htm)

or Paul Gartside's 20' steam launch, #99. I think it'd sail with a centerboard. What do you think? (http://www.gartsideboats.com/pgimages/steam.JPG)

[Venchka]

You might need more hull under you to carry enough sail well.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[muscongus]

Here is a photo I took at the No Octane Regatta in Blue Mountain Lake NY a few years ago. It's a replica of one of the few sailing boats built by Rushton. I think it was built by Dan Sutherland and is owned by the Antique Boat Museum in Clayton NY. It's not as long as you were looking for but it sure is pretty.
Jack Manley http://www.frontiernet.net/~muscongus/Rushton.jpg

[muscongus]

Oops,
Here are the other two I meant to post.
Jack

http://frontiernet.net/~muscongus/Rushtondeck.jpg http://www.frontiernet.net/~muscongus/Rushtonsail.jpg

[JimD]

Michael Kasten has the 23 foot Sara Cat, a chined gaff rigged cutter with centerboard, designed for easy trailering that can be built in plywood. Quite salty looking in profile although the chine may detract from her looks for a lot of folks.

[MJC]

Jack!!!!

Wow! For somebody who doesn't post much, you sure know how to come through with the goods. So there is some hope for a 20' fan tail day sailor. Thank you very much.

If it was originally built by Rushton, he must have gone through similar phases from canoes to canoe yawls to fantail beauties!

What design is this? Where could I get plans?

[Venchka]

Originally posted by JimD:
Michael Kasten has the 23 foot Sara Cat, a chined gaff rigged cutter with centerboard, designed for easy trailering that can be built in plywood. Quite salty looking in profile although the chine may detract from her looks for a lot of folks.I would say that the price of the plans is a bigger detraction. Mr. Kasten thinks a lot of his plans. $175 USD for an 8' foot pram? $1,750 for the Sarah Cat plans? I don't think so.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[MJC]

Hmmm, it is a Rushton design. And a little cuddy! Which could be removable? But what can be done about that rudder?

http://slcha.org/exhibits/rushton/riggingBoat.jpg

[ 12-20-2004, 02:24 PM: Message edited by: MJC ]

[muscongus]

I don't see any reference to plans for sale at the ABM site. They must have had something to work from though. Maybe you can email the museum and ask if they took the lines from an existing boat or worked from old plans or ?.
Where did the old photo of the larger boat come from? It seems like you could just hang a rudder on pintles from the rear of the skeg, just like on the one in my photos. That rudder in the old picture looks like it was borrowed from a sharpie.
Jack

[ 12-21-2004, 01:35 PM: Message edited by: muscongus ]

[MJC]

Hi Jack;

You really put me on to something with some real potential. Thanks again!

The pictures came from The St. Lawrence County Historical Association. (http://slcha.org/exhibits/rushton.php) Seeing as how Canton, NY is where Rushton located his boatbuilding shop, they're having a Rushton exhibit in their new annex.

With Christmas coming and all, I haven't yet been able to spend the time it'll take to track down the design for this little beauty. But it'll have to be modified some, so I'll probably end up paying for a custom design.

[Buzz73]

If you require a trailerable gaff-rig design with long shoal keel, you might want to check out the
Laura Catherine 20 Schooner (http://www.3riversmarineworks.com)

It has a wineglass stern, but the designer is a nice guy and he might be interested in drawing up a fantail version. You can reach him at
ThreeRiversMarineworks@juno.com

[MJC]

Buzz:

Thanks for the lead. Electric auxiliary propulsion on a gaff-rigged schooner that's trailerable and sleeps two is something worth keeping an eye on.

Is he building that boat in his living room?

[Buzz73]

I spoke with him on the phone last week, and kidded him about that very thing when I saw the photos on his website. Evidently they were laminating the keel using resorcinol glue. They couldn't get the boatshop warm enough so they moved the keel laminating to the basement of the house. He assured me the rest of the boat would be built in the shop instead of on the carpeting!

[Norske3]

St Lawrence Yawl....40 feetweb page (http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid14/paa49947377d4ee1ac953eb08796685b3/fdded2d4.jpg) .....redesigned from W/L down by Tim Evans..Canadian Nav Arch.

[Mark Van]

Benford designed a nice 20 foot fantail catboat.

http://www.benford.us/images/20catboat-joy-large.gif

[ 12-30-2004, 01:48 PM: Message edited by: Mark Van ]