Glen-L 25

[JimD]

For some reason I find myself liking this boat although there is nothing salty about it. 25 X 8 ft, probably around 1200#s ballast although glen-ls website doesn't say. A centerboard drops through a slot in a ballast keel. Inboard sail plan, outboard engine. Trailerable and probably quite fast in the water. Somebody tell me it looks like a plywood knock off of a 70's fiberglass production boat :D
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid153/pffe3c08ff005dfeef43dca99ad60d983/f58e0aad.jpg

[Boomkin Joe]

Yes, it does.

[JimD]

Originally posted by Boomkin Joe:
Yes, it does.Thanks, Joe. The suspense was starting to get to me :D Yesterday I emailed glen-l and asked if there would be room under the boom to raise the the aft half of the cabin about 10 inches for standing headroom. That would meet my criteria for a roomy, easy to build, not too heavy not too light plywood boat capable of offshore vacationing.

[paladin]

Why not build a Thunderbird with or without a "pop-top"?

[NormMessinger]

:D Welcome back Chuck.

[JimD]

Originally posted by paladin:
Why not build a Thunderbird with or without a "pop-top"?Kinda like this? Quite similar in size but looks a bit 'racey' for me. Doesn't seem to be any shortage of them around.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid153/p7847810b382173bb6adef03451c5de74/f58db213.jpg

[Ex-Oceangoddess]

Hey Jim: do you think EITHER of us will ever build this boat, whatever it may be? It's -11F here tonight, and although I have boaty stuff all over my office, and my son emails me to say he sailed around Cape Horn today (where it's summer) I'm beginning to get a bit discouraged.

Send me boaty stuff - keep the juices flowing, ya know....

Happy New Year, eh....

[Ex-Oceangoddess]

BTW Jim that really is one ugly-assed boat you posted a pic of earlier - you know we can do better LOL

[JimD]

Happy New Year, Ex-O. Think an Amigo could cross the Pacific? How about a Glen-L 25? :D

[paladin]

A Thunderbird has crossed the Pacific...both ways, and more than once.....and Hello Norm.....

[Meerkat]

Hurrah! Welcome back Chuck! smile.gif

Jim, that boat looks like it came from the plastic toy school of yacht design. ;)

I've been on a T-bird and the idea of crossing to Hawaii and back in one scares the c-rations out of me! :eek:

[ 01-09-2005, 04:29 AM: Message edited by: Meerkat ]

[JimD]

Originally posted by paladin:
A Thunderbird has crossed the Pacific...both ways, and more than once.....and Hello Norm.....And this fact exemplifies the difference between what others have done and what I'm prepared to do, but it would not be out of the question for me once we leave waterless southern Alberta and move to the coast, hopefully Vancouver Island in a scheduled two years. Can you think of a plywood boat in the 25 foot range that might be more suitable? I won't have the means to build anything bigger.

Meercat, yes, it does look like a toy boat. Perhaps that's part of what I like about it. A salty, shippy, character boat is fine if you have the character to go with it. I'm not sure that I do. Admittedly, a Suhaili replica would be nice.

[JimD]

Originally posted by Ex-Oceangoddess:
BTW Jim that really is one ugly-assed boat you posted a pic of earlier - you know we can do better LOLShe just needs a new cabin drawn up. I can do that much no problemo. And btw, I'm open to suggestions. But I must warn you, I'm only looking at plywood now.

[paladin]

Take a look at Bruce Roberts Tom Thumb 26. She was designed for steel...but we built a very successful Tom Thumb 20 several years ago and adapted it to ply construction....Most any architect can do it and Roberts would probably charge about 600 bucks or so...money well spent for a proven boat.

[JimD]

Tom Thumb's hull would do nicely. Very beamy and near plumb at both ends so heaps of room inside. I think the cabin as drawn may be practical but(t) ugly but that's easy to change the look of.

[paladin]

Jim...with plywood as expensive as it is today, you might take a look at alternative methods. Since the Tom Thumb is a single chine construction, you could use tongue and groove fir or cedar epoxied together, with a single layer of 1/4 inch ply...or not...then a couple of layers of xynole fabric in epoxy. A lot cheaper and probably easier construction for you. The yard in Thailand has built several inexpensive boats this way, and very good reports from the owners. You can make your own fir strips on your table saw, and even make the tongue and groove pieces without a router table. Being essentially a monocoque construction the requirement for frames is minimal, and you can laminate the backbone from fir planks.

[JimD]

Paladin, I think I've talked myself out of Tom Thumb. Don' think I want to deal with working out how to build a boat in wood that is only designed for metal. And its on the big and heavy side as well. Roughly 26 X 10 feet, 3000#s ballast, 9000#s displacement. I'd like to keep it nominally trailerable by a smaller pick-up truck. Something like Atkin's Hearts Desire looks more realistic. Any other ideas?

[paladin]

I think I would look at something by Dudley Dix or Jay Benford......

[Venchka]

Originally posted by JimD:
[QUOTE]...But I must warn you, I'm only looking at plywood now.Living on Vancouver Island? Not building with doug fir, yellow cedar, red cedar and Sitka spruce? What's wrong with this picture? Plywood and OSB spars, EH? :D

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[JimD]

Originally posted by Venchka:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JimD:
...But I must warn you, I'm only looking at plywood now.Living on Vancouver Island? Not building with doug fir, yellow cedar, red cedar and Sitka spruce? What's wrong with this picture? Plywood and OSB spars, EH? :D

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D </font>I will build with df plywood, and df lumber for frames. The head will be a red cedar bucket, and I will insist on nothing but the finest sitka osb spars!

[JimD]

Braam, I googled around for RubyB but couldn't find anything. But 32 feet really is too big. In fact I already have full plans for a Brewer 32 foot ketch I'll never build, but thanks for the suggestion.

[Jack C]

JimD,

Can you say Paul Gartside? I knew you could.

Check him out at http://www.gartsideboats.com/

#98 looks nice.

Jack

[JimD]

Jack, if I was willing or able to build carvel or cold mold there would be a lot more choices around, but I'm not. If Paul should ever design a double or triple chine about this size I'd give it a close look.

[Venchka]

Have you actually enquired about the cost of the perfect design from Paul? It might be less than the paint budget for a boat of the size you are thinking about.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[JimD]

Originally posted by Venchka:
Have you actually enquired about the cost of the perfect design from Paul? It might be less than the paint budget for a boat of the size you are thinking about.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D Nope, haven't asked. Maybe not a bad idea.

[Venchka]

Be sure to tell him about your need for Sitka spruce OSB spars! Paul almost always answers the phone himself, and he always answers emails promptly. Even before I ever spent a nickel.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[JimD]

Dang! Why not do the whole boat in osb? :D

[JimD]

Braam, check your private messages.

[Dave Hadfield]

For standing headroom have a look at the pop-tops that were on MacGregors from 1988-1998. They work fine and it's possible to lock them down very tightly. If the gaskets are any good, you could take a wave over the top without more than drips getting in. (Mind you, that would be a bad day in a 25ft boat.)

On the one we had, the pop-top (which hinged up and forward on 4 legs and hooked onto the mast) turned a dark little tunnel of a cabin into a bright, spacious room.

[PVanderwaart]

You might take a look at John Welsford's Penguin.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jw/penguin/index.htm
He has a 26 footer on the board, or nearly so.

[JimD]

PV, I've taken more than a few looks at Penguin as she is such a lovely boat, and maybe a 26 could provide the headroom I'm after.

Dave, a pop top is starting to sound like not such a bad idea. I have enough confidence in my abilities that I could design one myself for just about any boat that has enough room under the boom to accomodate one.