windward 21 or cedar keys sharpie?

[brianbadgley]

Has anyone out there built or sailed the 22' cedar keys sharpie by R. Parker or the Windward 21 by Karl Stambaugh? I love both of these boats and would love to see some pics and get some advice to make the final decision and plunge into the building.

This may be opening a can of worms, but if anyone has any similar boats (shoal draft, open or simple cuddy, ply/epoxy, ketch rig)that I am missing and should check out, I would appreciate that too.

[Brad Faus]

You can see a Cedar Keys type at www.ecoastlife.comck0101.html (http://www.ecoastlife.comck0101.html) I personally love the Cedar Keys boat but the deadrise boat of Stambaughs is probably a little bit more practical. Since Mr. Stambaugh is fairly close to you he would no doubt provide you with better support than Mr. Parker, if that is an issue with you.

[brianbadgley]

I forgot to include the core sound 20 in this group. Thanks to Tom Lathrop's posts and interacting with the designer, Graham (who is probably the nicest and most helpful designer I have ever interacted with) This boat is probably the most well though out in terms of convenience and use (lifting floorboards, integrated air tanks/lockers, easier to accept an outboard if necessary), but I can't help to be drawn to some of the more traditional lines (raked and lifted transoms, healthy sheer, etc.) I also get the impression that the with the sharp forefoot and higher freeboard/coaming, the cs 20 would be drier and more weatherly than definitely the cedar key sharpie, if not the windward 21 as well. Again, anyone who feels like wasting some time offering 2 cents or more would be greatly appreciated!

[TonyH]

Ted Brewer has designed some nice boats of this kind eg. the Grand Banks 22. Do a search of the forum and find the pictures of Ed Nye's "Opal", a stretched 24 foot version of this design, it's beautiful.

Here in Oz there are some nice designs by Scruffie Marine, at www.scruffie.com.au (http://www.scruffie.com.au) I think. These are sold as kits, not plans, but may be interesting as a design comparison.

Cheers

Tony

[Wild Dingo]

Nope Tony that didnt appear to be it! Do you want to have another go?
Take it easy
Shane

Oh didnt work for scruffiemarine either http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/frown.gif

[Wild Dingo]

Something must be wrong here.... I get the site Brad but none of the pictures appear just the box thing with the x in it double click right back again?? wonder whats up
Take it easy
Shane

Note: No probs anywhere else

[Dave Hadfield]

try http://www.ecoastlife.com/ck0101.html

[Dale Harvey]

Thanks for posting that Dave. The Lizzie was trailered to Cedar Key very much against my recomendation. As the crew found out, trailering a traditional cross planked sharpie down the interstate can have serious consequences. The drying effect of the wind opened her up rather badly. We have now resurrected an "Uncle Gabe's Skiff" (from Sam Rabel's book) with a modified epoxy/cloth clad plywood bottom that will trailer better. Plans are also takeing shape for a festival at Spanish Point, that will be less taxing on the Lizzie. We are currently finishing the spars for the skiffs sailing rig. Those wishing to observe or sail, or better yet help us work on these vessels, are encouraged to contact the museum and ask for Scott Stroh, curator.

[Dale Harvey]

I forgot to mention that Lizzie G. is NOT a Parker design, but the work of local legend the late Stan Lowe.

[Ron Hotchin]

Have a look at the new Princess Sharpie by B&B Yacht Design. 22 foot cat ketch, somewhat traditional looking, will sail in 12" of water, and as was noted, B&B are noted for their product support. Also, these folks really do sail their boats.

[TonyH]

Sorry fellas, the site I was talking about is www.scruffie.com (http://www.scruffie.com)

Have another go, Shane!

Cheers

Tony

[Wild Dingo]

Thanks Tony thats got it!

Nice kits... dont see anything for just buying the plans as yet..... oh right just checked thats how they sell them! duhhh :O

Take it easy
Shane

[Marco]

Antonio Dias has a wonderful boat that fits in this description. It is shoal draft, with a hull form which, if memory serves, is similar to that which was originally drawn by Commodore Munroe especially for the shoal waters off the Florida coast. It may be seen at:
www.diasdesign.com (http://www.diasdesign.com)
(hope this is right, for some reason I couldn't copy the actual URL)
One is being built in Florida, and there is a link form the dias site to a well developed series of pages documenting the construction of the boat by the amateur builder.
Regards, Marco

[brianbadgley]

Thanks folks, for all the info! I had seen all of them except the dias' serena, very nice boat! However, the strip planked round-bottom is probably a bit more time intesive than the plywood shoebox approach of the skiffs and sharpies. I was actually just down in the florida keys this weekend and have pretty much convinced myself on the parker sharpie. Looking out over those mangrove flats, with a 15 knot breeze and less than a foot of chop developing had me daydreaming quite a bit about skimming along wign and wing in a boat that has a long history there.... I have to admit, that dias round-bottom with pretty hull is something to consider though!

[norske]

WB mag 19:70--- a wonderful one page story of the little ship LAZYJACK---a (24 ft O.A)
"big" flatiron skiff(looks just like a sharpie) with a nice shear and flare in her sides---built in 1954 for $1800.00.No centerboard to spoil the inside--just a full length shallow keel (locust--heavy wood with a full lenght iron shoe--being her only ballast).

[norske]

PRINCESS SHARPIE 22
B&B Yacht Designs

website www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/princess.htm (http://www.bandbyachtdesign.com/princess.htm) http://media5.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/smile.gif


[This message has been edited by norske (edited 07-31-2001).]

[norske]

Sharpie Sailing Performance-it's extraordinary

For those of you who have just discovered and are new to this type (as I am --- I want to build one))I quote here a paragraph from an old issue of WB mag 13:68 on the sharpie named "IDIE"--a 21 footer--a Carolinia Sharpie.
QUOTE:
"Her performance (with 205 sq feet of sail--large jib and gaff-rigged)was most rewarding.
After increasing her sail area to 205 sq ft
her stability was unchanged and even though her weight/sail area is certainly not even approaching the "modern" day glass boats she holds her own with comparable craft in length
and when the southwesterns breeze up to 20-25 knots IDIE is still cruising along(!!) when many glass boats have called it a day.On one run of 15 miles down Bogue Sound I logged 12 knots, average speed,overtaking two "Force V" glass boats off Camp Morehead( a sailing camp). I was later asked by two young "Force V" skippers "what kind of craft it was?" I jokingly replied,"IDIE is an ES-21"---which means "endangered species".

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[This message has been edited by norske (edited 07-31-2001).]

[brianbadgley]

Norske sounds like someone I could waste a lot of time with talking about sharpies... However, I am impressed with your library. You are citing issues that aren't even available for back-order anymore! I have to be good, I have spent quite a bit of money ordering $6 backissues for 1-2 page articles on some obscure boat I am interested in.

It sounds like most of the boats, except the b and b, are done traditionally, is that correct? As much of a romantic as I am, I think I am going to have to stick with the ply/epoxy to make my life simpler for maintenance. Especially living in the warm waters of florida.

[Marco]

If you go to the search screen and enter the word "Munroe" in the subject search mode, the program will return about 6 citations about the Commodore and his boats. Related reading for those interested in the history of the Presto type designs.
Regards,
Marco