maid of endor

[bikkel]

Frank, from the Netherlands.

I have seen the plan of this boat en thought:
that is the boat that i want to build.

Is there sombody who no,s or sche is build and who has build her.
Mabay there are some pictures of this boat.

Thank you verry mutch!!!!!!!!!!

[Mike Field]

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A beautiful boat Frank -- very similar to my Buchanan 3-Tonner, but without the raised topsides. Sorry I can't tell you more about her, but for others interested, there are lines drawings and some reviews here (http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/MaidOfEndor.html).

I don't have any lines drawings of Sanderling, but here's an early photo sans bowsprit and hence at this stage still sloop-rigged, showing a somewhat smaller cockpit but larger accommodation in essentially the same sized hull.

http://www.woodenboatfittings.com.au/public/sanderling-originally-s.jpg
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[Jeremy Burnett]

One of these (Maid of Endor) was built on the English east coast a few years back.On the cover of the Boatman magazine I think.ACB might know about it.

[bhoyer]

I've completed lofting Maid of Endor from WB plan #133 and have nearly completed building my station molds.

If you've got questions, I'd be happy to help however I can.

Bill

[imported_Steven Bauer]

The new Woodenboat has an artcle about making a half model of MOE. Worth reading.

Steven

[RodB]

What a great choice to build. The model of "Maid of Endor" in the latest WB magazine is a fantastic example of Atkin's talent. That is a beautiful hull. I sure would like to see pix of one of these built.

I think "Maid of Endor" is very similar to the boat Atkin designed just for himself, "Amos Brown" which is a hard chined version of "Maid of Endor".... more or less...at least the LWL and beam and sailplan are very similar... Atkin said he based "Amos Brown" on the schooner "Florence Oakland" but laid in a conventional stem and gaff/sloop rig. "Maid of Endor" and Amos Brown" are very similar even if either one was ever thought about while the other was designed.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid152/p8ea45c3e5f48e92367ba6dd357e7fb89/f5b5a4c5.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid152/pfbd0f89d5ced4b87eb0d8490f8d70217/f5b5a49c.jpg


Pretty little gaff/sloops....

RB

[ 12-30-2004, 10:13 PM: Message edited by: RodB ]

[Adam B.]

I'm planning on building this boat with my Dad next year, when I move back to So. California from Maine. I've fallen love with gaff-rigs, bowsprits, and deadeyes since moving up here.

Does anyone know of any photographs of a completed version, in a back-issue of WB maybe?All I can find are drawings.

[Mike Field]

Yes, much as I thought. Here are the 3-Tonner's rough lines -- quite similar. (This drawing shows a c/b, whereas Sanderling herself has bilge keels.)

http://www.woodenboatfittings.com.au/public/sanderling-rough-lines.jpg

Nice designs.
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[JimD]

I don't really see the comparison to Amos Brown. Even Atkin acknowledges its not a very practical design for a pocket cruiser due to the pronounced sheer and low cabin profile so it requires a pop top cabin roof to provide minimal headroom. He has this to say about his own design:

I feel that the result is an attractive -- if not altogether practical -- tabloid cruising boat. Her freeboard amidships is low and the trunk cabin is relatively low. Together, these features destroyed any possibility of sitting headroom. To overcome this, I borrowed a page from an early Stone Horse auxiliary with a trunk cabin and have shown sprung battens covered by a removable canvas...

[StevenBauer]

Has anyone noticed that the WoodenBoat Store is selling the half model of Maid Of Endor that Eric Dow made for the WB article?

http://www.woodenboatstore.com/store/images/620061.jpg

Quite the beauty!

Steven

[RodB]

Jim,
Both designs are similar in parameters, such as LOA, Sailplan, Beam, etc. I did qualify my comments on such a rough comparison..

You sure can't make any general remarks without getting some flak from some know it all.

RB

[ 02-09-2005, 01:33 AM: Message edited by: RodB ]

[JimD]

Originally posted by RodB:
Jim,
Both designs are similar in parameters, such as LOA, Sailplan, Beam, etc. I did qualify my comments on such a rough comparison..

You sure can't make any general remarks without getting some flak from some know it all.

RBI guess one man's flak is another man's conversation, Rod. I agree they are quite similar in sail plan and to an extent in profile. I think one of the reasons I dwell on the differences is because I like Maid of Endor a lot and it would have been nice for me if Amos Brown was more closely a plywood version of the same boat so I could build it. But the less apparent differences are enough to make Amos Brown unsuitable for my needs.

[Adam B.]

I Saw the half-hull model for sale at the WoodenBoat store yesterday--while I was in there buying the plans! She's even prettier in person.

I also picked up the BDQ #6, because it had a bit more discussion about her than 'Forty Wooden Boats' has. Turns out there is a cold-molded version in The Boatman #10. Off to scour the libraries and eBay...

[RodB]

Hey Adam,

Let us know if you get anything else on Maid of Endor, especially the cold molded version. I think she is one of Atkin's best designs ever...

I may have to get that half hull model.

For general curiosity, is there a similar design that is a bit larger? ...say 30 feet or more.

Jim,
I realize all to well how suble features can rule out a specific design for a prospective builder.

I was reading Atkin's comments on Amos Brown and he did exactly what he wanted .... with no restrictions from a client. I would much prefer MOE because I just love the round bilge designs....

RB

[ 02-18-2005, 01:50 AM: Message edited by: RodB ]

[RodB]

bump

[dredbob]

FYI, there was an article on a Maid of Endor built in England in the March/April 2007 issue (#62) of the British magazine WaterCraft. There were some lovely pictures, and it is easily seen that MOE is a beautiful boat.

Bob

[rbgarr]

I like the curved mahogany piece Eric Dow used for the boot top on the Maid of Endor half model. I wonder if he used proportions similar to those described in a recent WB article for establishing those dimensions.

[stumpbumper]

http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Articles/Maid-2/index.html

http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL729/4281974/9000302/301994721.jpghttp://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL729/4281974/9000302/301994718.jpg
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL729/4281974/9000302/301994714.jpghttp://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL729/4281974/9000302/301994709.jpg
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL729/4281974/9000302/301994707.jpg

[Wiley Baggins]

I can't ever view this design without thinking there is less return on the investment than one would like from an accommodations standpoint - she has such a complex shape and epitomizes the term "proper little ship." Notwithstanding the return on investment comments, Maid of Endor is an all time favorite. The curves shown in her body plan are absolutely sensuous. The sheer is sweet and the transom is perfect. There is mention in "The Picture Perfect Pocket Cruiser" article that fiberglass hulls might be offered. It would take a cold, doctrinaire heart to sniff dourly, “she’s na’ wooden.”

[JimD]

Think anyone will ever build another?

[RodB]

What would be the closest design to a larger "Maid of Endor"...

RB

[slusher_ben]

Maybe Ben Bow (gaff cutter) or Fore An' Aft ?

[JimD]

What would be the closest design to a larger "Maid of Endor"...

RB

Closest as in the shippiest little ship that's too small to be a real ship but is just big enough to provide enough practical accomodation for voyaging, my vote would be for Little Dipper. 23' x 7' with standing headroom, at least for a shorter person under 5'9":

To fill the want of a very little ship for the biggest kind of voyage this able ship Little Dipper has been designed

http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/images/LittleDipper-1.gif

[slusher_ben]

I don't want to change the subject but since the Little Dipper was mentioned does anyone have a picture of one that has been built?

[JimD]

I don't want to change the subject but since the Little Dipper was mentioned does anyone have a picture of one that has been built?

Never heard of one... And I doubt if you have to worry too much about changing the subject. The post is over 2 years old and its originator has never been back :D

[Paul Pless]

LOL!!!

[RodB]

Little dipper sure lacks the impact of MOE... Maid of Endor is absolutely perfect.... if you look at the profile... if anything is changed it would be diminished. Such visual grace.... I bet she could be upsized and still maintain that balance and proportion...

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/Prestoboat/Misc%20boats%20etc/Maid-Endorcomp.jpg

Heres Benbow from my Motor Boating Series with the blue outlines...

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/Prestoboat/Misc%20boats%20etc/benbowbluelores.jpg

Maybe Benbow is close to her and larger... but the vertical stem to my mind is not as impactful as MOE. I think "Eric" may come close in beauty and grace...although a different design...
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/Prestoboat/Misc%20boats%20etc/Eric-gaff-cutter.jpg


RB

[Paul Pless]

What would be the closest design to a larger "Maid of Endor"...

RB

How much larger?

[RodB]

under 30 feet

[Paul Pless]

What about the stretched (to 30 foot) version of Gillmer's Blue Moon Yawl? There was a nice newly built cutter rigged one at the 2007 WoodenBoat Show.

There's always the ubiquitous Vertues...

[RodB]

Any photos or lines of that stretched version?

I'll look at Blue Moon.

RB

[Paul Pless]

here it is, I was wrong it was stretched to 27' feet on deck

http://www.coveyisland.com/allegro.jpg

more here: http://www.coveyisland.com/

there are multiple articles in older woodenboat issues featuring both the original blue moon design and the stretched versions

here's the original

http://www.woodenboatstore.com/images/400059.JPG

[RodB]

Really sweet boat, thanks. I think MOE still has the edge...its truly amazing when a boat is designed to perfect proportions.

RB

[keyhavenpotterer]

I am sure that in Watercraft No 62, only one I haven't got - lost it somehow, there was a mention of building moulds for MOE and putting the boat into production. Anybody with No62 able to confirm? Brian

[Willem]

Owner Martin Doe and builder Euan Seel are considering offering her as a molded GRP hull.

[dredbob]

In regards to the stretched version of Blue Moon, there is also a Tom Gilmer design called Calypso that is essentially a 35' ketch rigged Blue Moon. It is shown in one of Roger Taylor's _Good Boat_ books. There was an original design that was older, and then a more recent update that made it look much better and more like Blue Moon (flush deck, etc.).

Bob

[JimD]

I like Great Bear:

http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/images/GreatBear-1.gif
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Photos/GreatBear/GreatBear-02.jpg

[RodB]

Blue Moon...

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/Prestoboat/blue-moon-3.jpg

[soba]

Maid of Endor has that pretty back curved bowsprit. I think that is the detail that really softens the design, as the straight sprits on the other designs subtly clash with the lines (on plans, anyway.)

Makes my little Seabird look a little ugly and work-boatish.

soba

[JohnPeer]

wow, this is an old thread...resurrected for 2008, lol.

But I thought I would post in case there is still some curiousity about whether anyone is actually building a "Maid of Endor".

I was surprised while searching the net that I could only find pics of one completed vessel, the one in the UK.

Well, there will be new one launched by my dad next spring here in Nova Scotia after 10 years in the making...the deck has just been glassed, and the cabin and rigging to be made this winter...
Here's a pic:

Cheers,
John

[JimD]

Sorry, tried resizeing the pic 4 times....just cannot get it small enough for this forum! 19 KB?!? What is it 1996 here at Woodenboat? lol
Anyway, see here at abacoforum.com, search for "Maid of Endor"

PSS , administrator: a jpeg is a jpg...and 19 KB? c'mon!

good grief
;-)

Don't attatch photos. Link them from another website. Basically, once they are uploaded to any other website, copy/paste them to here. Looking forward to seeing them.

[JohnPeer]

Let's try this then
:-0

http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k273/johnpeer/?action=view&current=006.jpghttp://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k273/johnpeer/006.jpg?t=1226537907

The actual boathouse, right, is full of, well, boats - so the Maid is outside. She's been there for the past 6 years with work slow and steady, (weather and other projects permitting). Before being in the tent she had sat unprotected outside for a few years after the new hull was damaged by a falling tree.I have posted the whole story on abacoforum.com if anyone's curious. Search "Endor".
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k273/johnpeer/001.jpg?t=1226538047

Decks are fibreglass over thin marine ply over planks. But of course that is very slippery, so we'll have non-skid material atttached strategically. This is better, if less traditional, than the old crushed walnut shell in the piant my dad used on his schooner years ago...Better to not fall in though!
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k273/johnpeer/Boatandroof006.jpg?t=1226538355



The only other "Maid" I've seen pics of has no forward doghouse. We do, as the interior is slightly different. The mast is on a tabernacle, allowing it to be folded down back over the cabin. Therefore, there's a bit of engineering under it to do. This design also allows for access forward with no obstruction, and a tiny marine head plumbed in. My dad rescued a beautiful old doghouse from a boatyard complete with little "jail-house" bars to protect the glass on top and bronze fittings...

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k273/johnpeer/Boatandroof013.jpg?t=1226538611

[JohnPeer]

My dad bought the empty undecked hull after it had sat for years in a builder's yard after a tree had fallen and crushed the port side. It came with a little Saab 8 hp. diesel with constant-speed (variable pitch) prop. The repairs needed were extensive, but he also replaced the garbord planks with heavier ones as well as some new ribs, knees etc.

Here he is...
:-)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k273/johnpeer/newplanksdad.jpg?t=1226538827


Here the older wheathered planks can be seen. I guess althogether this boat has been 12 years since the start, lol, including several years outside. So, will she still be a "new" boat when finally launched? lol, Sure, I guess...

Cheers
John Peer

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k273/johnpeer/Boatandroof014newplankssmall.jpg?t=1226538655

[reddog]

John;
Where in Nova Scotia is the boat located?I am near Mahone Bay on the South Shore.The Maid of Endor design has taken my eye more than once.

Earl

[JohnPeer]

Hiya Earl,

We're just up the road in Hubbards! small world, eh?
My dad's house is right beside the little Hubbards yacht club, down near the old fishpant...
You must try to get up for a visit, my dad's retired and is there most of the time, let me know...he loves showing her to folks!

cheers
JP

[JohnPeer]

In fact Earl, do you know the boatbuilder Billy Lutwig from Mahone Bay? (Indian Point maybe it is, he has a boat shop)....he helped my dad with the repairs to the hull a few years back...It was down that way where the tree fell on her...not at Billy's though, lol
jp

[StevenBauer]

She looks great, John. Tell your dad there are people all over the world that are looking forward to the launch pics. I've been to Billy Lutwig's shop. It used to be Vernon Langille's shop. :)


Steven

[reddog]

John;
Yup,I know Bill fairly well,we live a couple of kilometers from him in The Narrows.Bill is a really great guy a real gentleman.
I also am familiar where your dad is.I get to Hubbards often in my travels for the Mun. of Chester.I'd love to have a look at the boat sometime.

Earl

PS It just clicked in my brain.The schooner Peers Fancy right?

[JohnPeer]

Well, that's interesting...small world indeed - at least that of wooden boats!

I'll be sure to update over the winter with more pics...as the weather turns here in NS, it slows down the tent jobs...but then it's time for the fiddly bits made in the shop. I believe my dad wants to next put the cabin sides in, no roof, which will go on later after more interior work is done...
Earl, let me know when you're next in the area... I'm there most weekends...even tomorrow and Sat! lol
jp

[reddog]

Thanks John,will do.

Earl

[JohnPeer]

Yes that's right "Peer's Fancy"...
Don Peer is my dad
;-)

[westcoastchick]

Sweet little thing and she's going to have a fitted head. I'm impressed. :cool: