Small Sandbaggers

[Paul Pless]

This really belongs over here.

Who can tell me what about this boat and others like her?

Things like designer, builder, name , class, construction method, etc, etc, owner.

http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/0/5/4/4/1054450_1.jpg

Thanks,

Paul

[santone]

Paul, My friend Peter owns a Long Island Skipjack, built in 1979 for a wealthy businessman as a present for his wife. It's modeled after a European fishing boat of the 1860's. The lines are very similar to the sandbagger but the boat is more stable and doesn't require a crew of 50 to keep it upright. (Peter is 79 years old). If you want more information about this boat check the photo's here and get back to me. http://24.47.49.176:8000/sailingworld/skip.htm I'll put you in touch with Peter. I've sailed this boat with Peter. It's built of all the finest materials. (Holzbt saw the boat this year, just to drool a bit) Regards,
Woodie (Tony)

[Stu Fyfe]

That's Lee Scarborough's Sorceress. He built it in the Atlantic Challenge shop in Harwich on Cape Cod. I believe Lee designed it himself. It's for sale. Ckeck out the link below. He did a nice job on it. It was at the 2002 WB Show in Rockland.
http://www.cppyacht.com/wood.html
Here's two shots I took of her in 2002 at the Show

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid30/p633250e30417d5b6e96835f30f82357b/fd51b90d.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid30/pe2b86396a8a3652a5f4c6316ed03b5cd/fd51b92c.jpg

[Meerkat]

A small sandbagger - is that a sandbagette? ;)

[DougWilde]

Bob Baker put together some plans for a reasonable price. Don't know if his family still sells them. His catalog of designs is well worth the price.

Doug Wilde

[PVanderwaart]

http://www.geocities.com/pvanderwaart/SailOysterBoat.jpg

This is not a sandbagger, but it may be of interest. I don't remember exactly, but I think I may have gotten the picture off the local paper's website shortly after having seen the boat on the water. It was off Stamford, just across the Sound from the Long Island Skipjack pictured above.

Phil Bolger designed a "family sandbagger" as a high performance cat-rigged boat about 15 feet long.

[Venchka]

7 part mainsheet tackle. Hmmmmmmm...bring a six pack of Big Bubbas! Reckon you could enlist the Crimson Tide's starting offensive line as crew? :D

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[boatlover]

WoodenBoat did an article on sandbaggers a couple of years ago. I seem to recall that the boat in the article was built near Philadelphia.

I also recollect at least a sailplan with the article. Sparred length was approximately double the LOD.

Regards,

Ed R.

[Ben Fuller]

There are four sailing baggers in the US that I know about, at least at the time of the article for WB: the big ones, Bull and Bear built at the Independence Seaport Museum. The 20 footer which Lee Scarborough built and is for sale. And an 18 footer built at the ApprenticeShop which started the whole thing. The "modern" one was also written up in WB when I did the sandbagger piece. AIR she was a S&S design cold molded built by Henry Elliot. Sailing these boats I think we found that they were quick in light air but hit their waterline wall early. Best example of that is a well know Rosenfeld collection photo of Zoe. No wind and at displacement speed.

The mainsheet is not too hard to handle; the mainsheet person hangs out behind the helmsman. There is are two extra parts going up wind if the system is rigged right with a snatch block on the boom.

[Dan Miller]

Bob Baker put together some plans for a reasonable price. The boat Bob drew is Sandy (19' 6" LOA), which was raced on Lake Cazenovia. Sandy can be seen at the New York State Museum in Albany.

Cheers,
Dan

[Lee Scarbrough]

Sorceress, the 20 ft. sandbagger shown in the picture, was built to the lines of the Tam O'Shanter, shown sailing at Mystic Seaport in Woodenboat magazine. Tam O'Shanter is now in the maritime museum in Dournenez France; I saw her there in year 2000. Lines were taken off by Mr. Poston, now running IYRS boat restoration school in Newport. Several sail plans were shown when I got the plans, from moderate to outragous. I drew my own, which I reckoned would be enough to make her look and feel like a sandbagger, yet not so much as to make her difficult to handle. The Tam, with her big rig, had been known to practically run her bow under on a broad reach. Sorceress has no such tendencies, and handles very well. She is a blast to sail, she is really alive when underway. She is built of cedar on oak, all bronze fastenings.

[Stu Fyfe]

Welcome aboard Lee. Don't be a stranger. For those of you who don't know Lee Scarborough, here's a little info on him. A childhood friend of Lance Lee, Mr Scarborough has been the founding father of the Cape Challenge branch of the Atlantic Challenge Program here on Cape Cod. A house and boatbuilder, Lee and his wife Jackie have been a force working with our youth on the Cape. Besides Sorceress, Lee did most of the work on the building of the Atlantic Challenge Gig Loyaute'as well as several other boats. He's also cruised extensively in his ketch with his family. I'm sure he'll be a valuable asset to the forum.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid30/peb8379f09b4e4fa9ab457e768b616def/fd519876.jpg

[Paul Pless]

Lee,

Wow, what a pleasure it is to see your post regarding the boat you built. I'd also like to welcome you to the forum as well.

I've always loved the old sandbaggers, and I was unaware that someoen had built one to the smaller class rules until about a month ago. I'm very glad you did. And what a wonderful boat you built, she's a real beauty. When I get a chance I may ask some more detailed questions about her.

Thanks,

Paul

[ 12-13-2004, 08:48 AM: Message edited by: Paul Pless ]