Karl Stambaugh's Mist Sloop

[Buzz73]

I am trying to find photos, building logs, anything about Karl Stambaugh's Mist Sloop. So far, I have not found anyone who has built this sailboat. I could not even get a reply from the designer about the design. Does anyone have any information, tips, or rumors about Mist that they would be willing to share???

[Bear's Oil]

AMEN! RAN INTO THE SAME PROBLEM !

[ 06-07-2003, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: Larry W. LaBounty ]

[Shalfleet]

I am also interested in this design but have been unable to find evidence of one actually being built. I assume you have read the review in the 100 wooden boat design book which is very positive. She seems to be a very neat, pretty design that should be straightforward to build, good space below and easy to trailer. A nice alternative to a Wee Seal with a little less epoxy and laminating which I see as a positive. I also like the curved transom. Perhaps you should be the first builder....someone has to do it..

[Buzz73]

I was able to purchase a Plans Catalog and Mist Study Plans from the designer. Unfortunately, I did not receive the material for a couple of MONTHS after I ordered!!! Repeated phonecalls, emails, and postal letters never resulted in even a single reply from the designer's firm (CMD). The Study Plans were very inexpensive so I was not expecting much. I received pretty much what I expected, which was basic information that really did not reveal much about the construction of the design. In my opinion, WB's "100 Boat Designs Reviewed" offers far more information about the design than either CMD's plans catalog or the Study Plans. I've tried to find more information about Mist, but the only further information Woodenboat had was the original design review from a back-issue. I was informed that this review was for the most part just duplicated for the "100 Boat Designs Reviewed" and "Forty Wooden Boats: Third Catalog" both of which are published by WB. That said, I still might purchase plans from Woodenboat (NOT from the designer) simply because I find the design so appealing. And I'm sure Woodenboat wouldn't make me wait two months for my order either.

[Wayne Jeffers]

There seems to be a lot of that going around. :(

IIRC, WB 107 has about the best info that's in print, better than the "Study Plans" or the description in "Fifty Wooden Boats."

Norm Messenger bought Mist plans before deciding on a different design for "Prairie Islander," and he answered some questions in an earlier thread. Try the "search" feature.

Wayne

[MarkC]

I think this boat is a good choice. I wish the Stevensons Weekender crowd had read it in '40 wooden boats' before they launched off. Plans available from Woodenboat.

[Roseknight]

I think I am gonna have to ask you to explain that remark MarkC,
If it is intended as an insult of the weekender boats or plans I think I am correct in assuming there are a large number of people that would take exception to that... And it seems that the large number of people and websites and in fact sailing boats that are easily found for the Stevenson's designs speaks even greater volumes about the quality of the plans and instructions contained there in. Which apperantly can not be said for the design that is the topic of this thread.

No I won't say the weekender is a great classic boat. It is a easily built boat with a nice salty look. Which has gotten a large number of people that have built it and are out sailing it.
Which to me is the whole point of buying a set of plans and makeing some sawdust.

My plan to develop a bit more woodworking skills and sailing skills is to finish the Bolger gypsy I am working on and then build me a weekender, at which point I am going to be looking for a large and more complex design to start working on in between sailing the 3 boats I will have at that point.

And to sum up the whole point of my little disertation here: Don't slam someone elses boat!
If you dont like it fine, say it doesnt suit your taste and go on... but thinly veiled insults are uncalled for.

Mitch

[pippo]

Mitch, I totally agree. Moreover, Mist is a totally different beast with respect to the Weekender: it is much bigger and MUCH more complicated. No fair comparison is possibile between the two.

[ 06-18-2003, 04:00 AM: Message edited by: pippo ]

[BATMAT]

I sold my unused Mist Plans to someone in Ontario ,he should be building it right now...?Dingo ,might remember his name,sorry I've deleted all corespondence :rolleyes: ...?

[WWheeler]

I's the bye, BATMAT. Have to build the shop first, and she always seems to get squeezed between the daysailer and hankerings after larger boats.

And, yes why is it that none have ever been built? And, why does the designer refuse to recognize her, or answer questions? I sent a personal query to Karl Stambaugh, but didn't even receive the courtesy of a reply. Did he make a bad deal with WB, and now receives no royalties for it? Or is it a death-trap? It makes me reluctant to spend several years working on it.

[ 06-18-2003, 11:16 AM: Message edited by: WWheeler ]

[Meerkat]

I received this in January of 2002:
The construction plans for Mist contain the information needed to build her. The full size frame plan will eliminate the need to loft frames. The main ingresient to building a boat of this type is desire. Skill can be learned. It is realitively easy construction as boats go. Construction is glue and screw with frames and bulkheads to build over. A chine is included. I can develop the panels for a fee if you want to build her Stitch and Glue.

Regards,

Karl Stambaugh Mr. Stambaugh could be sick, extremely busy or off on a nice cruise. Patience friends! smile.gif

[Bear's Oil]

WOW! First Steve Redmond, Now Mr. Stambaugh appears !!! Can Elvis be far behind ?? smile.gif

Glue and screw...If I hadn't already started Elver sawdust tongue.gif

Still might...Before you leave, Karl, Beam? Draft? Rig options, if any.

[ 06-18-2003, 09:22 PM: Message edited by: Larry W. LaBounty ]

[Bear's Oil]

Me again. I did a search and tried to find the guy who was building "Mist" and was doing some kind graphics showing the boat going together. I think he may have been associated with some university. Anyone remember?

[Ron Linton]

Larry,

That might have been me: I have some animations dealing with lofting and building Stambaugh's Windward 24 at http://facstaff.colstate.edu/linton_ronald/default.htm , but not the Mist..... :(

Ron

[MarkC]

Rosenight - if you haven't built the weekender yet then please do some back searching on this site - the warnings are there.

Mist is a better option.

[Robert Cox]

Mark, I take it you haven't built a Weekender either. How does your lack of experiance in a boat make you an expert. Yes we've discussed this before on this site and some of you haven't learned yet.

If you don't like a design then don't build it. That is your choice. Those of us who like the design are building it for our own reasons.

It's quite childish to bad mouth a design out of the blue when another design was the topic of discusion. Especially when there are very few similarities between the two designs.

Do me a favor, don't build a Stevenson Design so I don't have to worry about you ruining one of our outing/mess-abouts by being there. Yes, that's right, we do more than talk about building a boat. The Stevenson design is so simple that we actually finish our boats and enjoy sailing them.

Thank you. I feel better. Now, that I've vented, we can get back to discussing the Mist.

Bob

[RodB]

What is the difference of what you would get from the designer and what you would get from WB??

RB

[NormMessinger]

Comparing a Weekender with the Mist is a stretch.

I bought the plans for Mist because I wanted a gaff rigged cutter. I decided it was a little big and would cost too much to build. That was before I stumbled on to Oughtred's Farne Islander, about the same WL but it cost a lot more to build. Oh well. Love is blind. But I digress.....

I've not sailed on a weekender but have sailed along with several. Nifty looking little boats and seaworthy enough for their intended use. "Intended use" sorta applies to any vessel, no?

[Robert Cox]

Norm, that's kind of what gets me about some peoples opinion about the Stevenson Designs. They are design for a particular kind of sailing. They are a flat bottom, shallow draft boat that is intended to be easy to build and sail in shallow protected waterways.

I have heard more bad comments about our boats just because they have a flat bottom. Does this make a boat any less worth of sailing on water used by an AC boat.

Is a boat built out of plywood any less seaworthy. Is it the lack of heavy scantlings, knees or a keelson that makes a person feel this isn't a real boat. I've yet to figure out this desire to bad mouth this design by some people on this forum. Maybe it's just that some people are jealous that I've been able to build a 21 ft. LOD boat for less than $5000 and only paid $35 for the plans to begin with. I guess if it's to be considered a "real" boat you have to spend hundreds maybe thousands of dollars for the plans.

I've been that route. I helped my father build a Roberts 53 some years back. You want to talk about money spent to build a boat? Try building a 25 ton boat out of steel sometime.

The one thing I've finally figured out is that it's not the amount of money spent on a boat or the size of the boat that matters. What matters is how much enjoyment you get out of any boat. I'd rather be the guy with a $5000 boat having fun every weekend than the guy with a $500,000 boat setting in a slip costing thousands of dollars a year to maintain and only getting used 4 or 5 times a year.

As you can tell this is a burr under my sable. There are a lot of boats designs out there that I find ugly or even feel are poorly designed, but I've yet to bad mouth or say anything derogatory about any of them to anyone. Out there somewhere is a person that finds those designs to be just what they want and they find them beautiful. I see no reason to try to turn those people off of their choice. By doing so I may be not only turning them off of that design but turning them off of sailing all together. Is that what we really want to do.

The Stevensons' design these boat to be easy to build for a modest outlay of cash. I think they've done a good job of designing boats that could lead more people into sailing. I feel that it's only the sailing that matters. Let people enjoy their sailboats, no matter what design they may be. :D

Bob

[Roseknight]

Can I get a Amen from the choir?
AMEN

As to weither I have built the weekender yet. No I havent I have helped a bit on a vactioner. I understand the disadvatages (and advatages) of the boat but as I live inland, lake sailing is about all I can do on a regular basis, so blue water sailing is not something I forsee in the near future and thus I find the same thing that gives the weekender its disadvatages is also the same thing that gives it its advatages that flat bottom is a heck of a lot easier to sail right up to the beach/shoreline then any keel boat I have seen and if I run aground harder then the small motor will pull me off, then chances are that I can hop out and push this little jewel right back
into deep enough water to sail back out onto the lake..

There is another thing about the weekender plans/video... They show people how to loft a line and make no big deal out of it.. though I have heard that many people seem to have a terrible time with the concept and execution of it. The way the describe it (and demonstrate in the video) its almost a compleate no brainer.
And if lofting isnt a skill I can take to the building of a larger boat, then I dont know what is.

To everyone else I apologize for the thread hijack.

Mitch