Norm Messinger

[Jim Budde]

Norm died last night .. four simple words that seem to say so little .. and yet they say so much.

At this time, no arrangements have been made. Phyllis is at home; son, Wes, is flying in this afernoon.

For those of you who did not know, Norm had been diagnosed with, and treated for cancer. He had had a bout or two with medications, but was optomistic about the up-coming sailing season

Most people go thru life, talk a lot and do very little. Norm was different. He was a quiet man with broad shoulders, a twinkle in his eye and a great smile.. and he did things. One of the most lasting will surely be the gift of boatbuilding he gave to his grand-neighbors.. the girls and boys on his street who, under his careful guideance learned to sharpen tools, feel the joy of a plane as it gently slices an evey so thin curl from a piece of wood .. and to build wooden boats .. yes, under his guidenance, they built their own wooden boats.

Those who were fortunate enough to have had him as a friend will miss him greatly

Please keep Phyllis, his familiy and the gran-neighbors in your thoughts

[Donn]

:(

[Matt J.]

:( Ouch.

[Sam F]

Oh that's sad. I'm very sorry to hear it! :(

[rbgarr]

Condolences. Very sad to hear that.

[Garrett Lowell]

:( I don't think I could be more shocked and saddened. Rest in peace, Norm.

[DerekW]

:(

[Don Olney]

I'm stunned. My sympathies to Phyllis and Wes and the rest of the family. I had really looked forward to meeting Norm someday.
-Don :(

[Concordia..41]

Expletive deleted. :(

- Margo

[Ken Hutchins]

Really sad may he rest in peace. :( I'm grateful I did get to meet him and Phylis last year.

[Dave Fleming]

I was aware that O&O Midwest had recently had a bout with the 'big C'. But, thought things were looking up, sigh.

He will be missed.

Go Well Norm, Go Well.

[TomF]

I'm so sorry. My best wishes to the family ...

This place will certainly miss him.

[Steve McMahon]

:( :(

[hikingchrs]

:(
Fair Winds Norm.

[cs]

:( Words escape. My thoughts and prayers are with Phylis. :(

Chad

[Memphis Mike]

:( Ah man. That is such bad news. :( I'm shocked. Godspeed Norm. Hang in there Phyllis.

Mike and Sue

[dmede]

very sorry to hear this.

[Fitz]

:( :( :( :( :(

Prayers are sent from here.

[Billy Bones]

:(

http://www.boats.rkstarr.com/mourningship.jpg

[ 05-12-2005, 06:44 PM: Message edited by: Billy Bones ]

[Keith Wilson]

:( :( :(
Very, very sorry, He'll be sorely missed.
:( :( :(

[ 05-12-2005, 03:02 PM: Message edited by: Keith Wilson ]

[Surpriser]

:( Sail on, Norm, sail on.
Bill Paxton
Apple Valley, MN

http://www.woodshopphotos.com/albums/Dave-R1s-Album/norm.jpg

[ 05-13-2005, 10:02 AM: Message edited by: Surpriser ]

[Art Read]

Damn. The forum will be a less interesting place from now on...

[seafox]

prayers and good thought to his family and friends. he was a gentalman and good corespondant here

[High C]

:( :(

[Ross M]

I'll never forget the concept of Grandneighbors.

[J. Dillon]

Norm will be sorely missed here. :( He was a steading poster, with a kind word for all. My sincere condolences to his family and friends.

JD

[Chadd Hamilton]

Definetly a unique and wonderful guy. Wish I could have met him in person. The world needs more Norm Messigners.

:( :( :( :(

Chadd

[Katherine]

:( :(

[Stari27]

May the road rise before you and may the wind be forever at your back.....

[RonW]

It seems as if he just posted the other day.
The forum will be less interesting.
Condolances to family.

[htom]

:(

[Chris Coose]

What a model for the autumn years.
I am very sad to read this.

[paul oman]

Guess he will be there to welcome us into the next forum....

Always sad to lose one of the 'gang'

our thoughts are with his family and friends

paul oman
progressive epoxy polymers

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

OH NO :( No No No No :( :( :(

I'm so sad
I loved Norm he is one of my all time favorites on this silly ship we call the woodenboat forum. GOD I'm going to miss him. :( Even though I never meet him I feel as though I know him better than I know people I see everyday. I feel awful, God this really comes ad a blow to me. I'm going to miss him so much. My heart and prayers go out to his wife and family. Please know he reached out beyond and touched me and I share in your grief.

Fair winds Norm your are missed so very much :(

[ 05-12-2005, 03:27 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Keith Wilson]

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4cc33b3127cce9dca3c2d409800000036108AZNWjZozZNO

[Alan D. Hyde]

Fair winds and following seas to you, Norm.

God guide, protect, and comfort you, Phyllis & Wes. Let us know if we may help.

Picture Norm sceptically sailing an ethereal Prairie Islander, ever Westward, over the limitless sunlit seas, unconstrained by mere time, space and mortality.

Ease her helm a little, Norm.

There's nothing like a good long broad reach...

Alan & Joy

[Bruce Hooke]

Fair winds Norm, and prayers for those you have left behind.

- Bruce :(

[mdevour]

Thank you Norm. You made this a better place and me a better boat builder.

Way too many people go this way. More than should. More than have to.

Mike D.

[gert]

Happy sailing Norm. This wonderfull gathering place will much less with out you.
:( :( :(
All our love and respect to Phyllis
We'll meet again...

[ 05-12-2005, 03:31 PM: Message edited by: gert ]

[Art Read]

Anybody got any contact information for Phyllis?

[John Bell]

:(

Norm, you'll be missed.

[Bob Smalser]

:(

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid22/p6cb537e6f72e5509dbdbb5327fd76374/fda99564.jpg

A career with the National Park Service:

http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/jeff/adhi2- 9b.htm (http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/jeff/adhi2-9b.htm)

[ 05-12-2005, 03:49 PM: Message edited by: Bob Smalser ]

[Todd Bradshaw]

A whole bunch of people just lost their adopted grandfather. :(

[John B]

I too , am shocked to read this this morning .
Our sincere condolences to the Messinger family.
I feel priveledged to have 'met' him, even though only through this internet medium.

:(

[John Teetsel]

Great picture Keith. I can envision Prairie Islander tacking through the canyons of the sky right now.

Husband, father, boat builder, airplane builder, humorist, an even longer list to be sure. It makes a fella proud to have known him in even a casual way. My life is richer for having shared some time with you Norm. Thank you. You will be sorely missed. Regards to Lynn.

:( :(

[Joe Dupere]

I don't know what to say. Following on the heels of Lamess' passing, this is a lot for Phyllis to bear. My thoughts are with you Phyllis. Norm was a great guy, I know he'll be missed by all of us, all of his family and all of the grandneighbors.

Joe

[Tar Devil]

I just cannot believe this! :( :(
He had resonded to one of my posts yesterday, and I had no idea!

He was the first on this forum to acknowledge and respond about Cheryl's cancer and emailed me often to ask about her.

Fair winds, Norm. Prayers to you, Phyllis.

This forum has radically been altered.

Our thoughts, prayers, and best wishes...

Phil, Cheryl, Matthew and Lauren

[Lurch]

:(

[Tom Dugan]

:( I can't believe this. :(

[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

:( will be sorely missed.

[Buddy Sharpton]

OH MY. Norm always made me rethink that I was not putting off getting about doing something interesting to me. What a list of what he accomplished for himself and for others would run to. I'm so sorry. Will he ever be missed and remembered!

[Nicholas Carey]

:(

We'll miss you, Norm. My condolences to his crew.

[bamamick]

God bless 'im, and be with his family now.

Very sad.

Mickey Lake

[Seth Wood]

Oh, God. One of the great ones.

Godspeed, Norm.

"There lies the port; The vessel puffs her sail."

[Krueg]

Very sorry to hear that. Almost felt like I knew him. :(

[Venchka]

I can't type right now.

Wayne

[Bruce Taylor]

Just yesterday, he wrote that the soul "is a complex set of electro-chemical reactions."

The electro-chemical reactions that made up Norm were uniquely wise, good-humoured and kind. It was our good fortune that this beautiful electrochemical phenomenon had the property of being transmissible over the internet. Some of it is still here, in the little impulses that make up this "place," and in the minds of those who knew him. May it long endure.

.

Bruce and Maggie.

[Doug Wood]

:(

[Larry P.]

:( :( :( :( :(

[holzbt]

:( Smooth sailing Norm. My condolences to Phyllis and family. Norm really was the personification of this forum and will be sorely missed.

[PeterSibley]

:( No words

[Ian McColgin]

Given the conservation of mass and energy, all that ever was Norm still is. We just don't see him as easily. But we've been touched by him and do easily remember.

[imported_Dutch]

You were a fine fella Norm. I will miss your wit on this forum. :(

Godspeed and condolences to your family

[Domesticated_Mr. Know It All]

words fail me.
tears blind me.
what a loss for us all. :(

[Wild Wassa]

Very sad. Norm was larger than life on this site and truly inspirational to me, when I first joined the site. He was not ever not doing something special or showing off a technique to a newbie.

Old Rangers are never truly lost.

Warren.

[ 05-12-2005, 06:02 PM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[Meerkat]

What Todd Bradshaw said.

I'm stunned and at a loss for words.

Spaceship Earth has lost one of her best crew. :(

[Stephen Hutchins]

I never met him but he made me smile many times. I'll miss him. :(

[adampet]

So sad to hear of his passing......

I only spoke with him on the phone once as he was visiting Ed Harrow on his trip East, Missed him by a day at The WoodenBoat show :(

From his writings I got the sense of a man of quiet integrity, who knew how to get things done, how to include the people around him. A teacher in many things. i'll miss him...
Adam

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Damn I miss Norm :(

[mmd]

Sad news. Let us all try to honour Norm by emulating his politeness and style here on the WBF.

Deepest condolences to Phyllis & his extended family.

[paladin]

I'm glad to have him among my friends.... :( :( :( :( :( and always will be.....

[ 05-12-2005, 06:28 PM: Message edited by: paladin ]

[StevenBauer]

Oh, man! :( Such sad news. Norm really was the best. So sorry Phyllis and family. What a loss. Norm really inspired me. I wish I'd brought my camera with me when we were on P.I. last summer. This is the best shot I can find:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid131/p6f6d4b36c6440d508646021a539ffe89/f7b3b917.jpg
Goodbye, friend,
Drying my eyes,
Steven

[John Meachen]

Sad news.There will be a very large void on this forum without Norm's presence.

[Figment]

Originally posted by Todd Bradshaw:
A whole bunch of people just lost their adopted grandfather. :( That about sums it up for me.
Quite a blow.

[whb]

Fair winds

[Tom Lathrop]

For the first time, this forum feels like a real family to me. We had a few e-mails back and forth about our common interests, family, planes and boats but I never had the pleasure of meeting him.

How can you miss someone you've never met or even seen? Reading these responses to the news of Norm's death makes that easy to understand. A man of worth. :(

"Here's to Norm, and those like him, and too few left"
:(

[ 05-12-2005, 06:56 PM: Message edited by: Tom Lathrop ]

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

I'm very very sorry for your loss Phyllis and family. :( :( :( :( :( :(

[PaulC]

Wow, Norm you are really gonna be missed. You sure set the bar for the rest of us! Thanks!

[Phil Eves]

:( Strength to the family.

[BRobinson]

:(

[clancy]

Good bye Norm

[JimJ]

Bye Norm
Jim

[Dave R]

I'll add my condolences to his bride and family.

I'm so saddened by his passing. I'd never met him but was looking forward to doing so in a few weeks at the Minnesota Messabout. I still owe him a cup of coffee in exchange for the line he sent me for my son's cradle boat. That was all he asked in payment.

Fairwinds to you, Norm.

[Stiletto]

I'm so sorry to hear this. My condolonces to those close to him. :(

[reddog]

A true gentleman of this forum.Fair winds and a raised glass.Salute,Norm.

Earl Woodworth

[Lion]

Norm, I will miss you. I don't cry too often but the the tears flowed this morning when I read the news.

Thank you for being part of my life.

Lion

[G. Schollmeier]

:(

[Frank Wentzel]

I don't know what to say. He was one of the nicest people on the Forum. I'm very sorry I never had the chance to meet him in person. You have all my sympathy Phyllis.

/// Frank ///

[AngWood]

THE nicest guy on the forum. Gentleman and scholar. My longtime favorite. Think how much we've learned (and may continue to learn) from his photo albums of the building process.

Big props to Scot for posting the photo of Norm and Prairie Islander on the forum homepage.

[RodB]

Condolences to Norms Family. I never met him but I sure read many of his knowledgable posts on this forum. He always seemed to impart common sense and knowledge to any thread he responded to... I regret his passing.

Rod B

[Hal Forsen]

A loss to our community and his.
Fair Winds and Following Seas.
HF

[Norske3]

:( ....but this is not the end...we will all rise and gather again...and go boating.

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[Waterdown]

Norm was sure one of the high points of visiting here, always fun, always thoughtful. I think many lives have been made fuller by even fleeting, even one-time contact with him.

Hats off, gentlemen, please, for NoMess. Easy all.

All the best to the family, kids, neighbours, friends. Cheers, Norm.
Chris.

[jlapratt]

We've all just lost a great friend and one that made the world a better place. My condolences Phyllis and family.

Godspeed Norm.

[igatenby]

:(

[joejapan]

............ :( :(

[Stu Fyfe]

We were blessed to have known him, even if it wasn't in person. The most sensible man on the forum. RIP

[Mrleft8]

Gah!!!!!!!!!!!! :( :( :(

[Venchka]

We all know Norm was a man of few words. When he spoke, I listened and learned.

Originally posted by NormMessinger:
You're gonna need a bigger boat to carry all that gear. Originally posted by NormMessinger:
CPES under epoxy? Why?

--Norm Originally posted by NormMessinger:
Venchka, my opinion is walnut is too valuable and beautiful a wood to use for construction purposes. It is somewhat rot resistant and takes glue well but there are cheaper timber that is as good for your keel. Cherry thwarts and rails will be awesome. Otherwise I defer to others with experience using these woods in boats.

Call Smith and get the straight scoop? Your trying to get yourself thrown out of the old philosophers club, grasshopper. Watch it.

--NormWho could argue whenever Norm said, "It depends"?

Wayne

[essaunders]

As said before, The nicest guy on the forum. He will be missed.

[landlocked sailor]

I am shocked & I am very, very sorry. Rick

[Steve Lansdowne]

Across the vast WoodenBoat family, oceans, lakes, and rivers are filling with the tears of those who've lost a valued friend.

[yorgie]

So very sad.My condolences to Phyllis and family.

Chris. :(

[Steve Paskey]

Oh, my. I am truly, truly sorry. I never met him, but his messages here showed him to be a remarkably fine man. My condolences to Phyllis, his family, and the grandneighbors.

[ 05-12-2005, 09:53 PM: Message edited by: Steve Paskey ]

[Beowolf]

Very sad. We'll miss him sorely.

[Meerkat]

I take solace in the thought that Norm was a guy who always did what he could today and did what he wanted to - and the cautionary tale from that: do what you can today, for there may not be a tomorrow to do it in.

[Alan Peck]

I have been reading this Forum for a number of years now. Norm is one of the first names I came to recognize as a man with great wisdom and humor on the forum. I learned a lot from him. He will be sorely missed

[sbsbw]

I remember the first time I saw Norm's location line. I will really miss seeing

"From: Omaha, Nebraska, USA, Terra , Sol, Milky Way.... "

Norm was just one of those people who you could rely on.

What a huge loss.

:( :( :(

[Roger Cumming]

Norm was a voice of moderation on this forum. I will miss his measured comments. My sympathies to his family.

[Chris Stewart]

We are all better for having known him, even if only on the forum. :(

[L.W. Baxter]

Such a rich life, worthy of emulation.

May we all build as many beautiful things and make so many friends.

Goodbye, Norm, and thank you.

[JimM]

I was shocked and saddened to hear of Norm passing. Norm was someone how made a difference in others lives without any fan fair. Fair Wind.

Jim McGee

[ 05-12-2005, 11:03 PM: Message edited by: JimM ]

[JimD]

Farewell, Norm :(

[John Weigandt]

I don't post here often, but I met Norm in cyberspace back on the compuserve sailing forum, before there was a woodenboat forum. I was considering and then building my Weekender, and he was planning and then building Prairie Islander.

Time never allowed to get to Omaha for their boats of wood outings, but I felt like I knew him.

I fell away from the Wooden Boat forum after launching, and tended to hang out with the Trailersailors on another forum, but I would sometimes swing through here, and reading his posts was always fun, and informative.

I know that he might think I'm wasting my breath, but I'll say a prayer for him tonight, and I know he'd want me to, because if nothing else, it will make me feel better.

Good night Norm. You were more than a stream of zeros and ones, and I also believe that you were more than the sum of your biological processes.

May we meet again someday.

John

[Leon m]

Good by Norm,You were a great one,hope you liked the cheese...DARN...we're going to miss you alot!

Phyllis if you ever need a hand looking after your daughter ,let me know, I live right down the road from her.

:( :( :(

[Mike Field]

.
Norm, you replied to my first post on this Forum. In the years since, I've come to know you as a wise man, a philosopher, a mediator, a boatbuilder, a teacher, and a true friend.

This Forum changed irrevocably for me today.

Thank you for being part of my life.

May the universe cradle you forever in the palm of its hand.

Mike
.

[Bob Adams]

I don't think anyone was as universally liked and respected as was Norm. Sail amongst the stars my friend, and my God comfort and strengthen your family.

[caskillet]

:( Norm Messinger, you have many gran-forumites as well. We will remember you as a man of great character and integrity, whose contribution to this community is far more than the sum of your sage advice. I believe I speak for many when I express a regret at never having taken the chance to get to know you better. As it seems to be with the loss of truly great men, your departure from this world cannot help but cause those of us you left behind to grow in kindness, character and compassion. Fair winds, good fellow.

[Paul F]

Aw **** .

[Ed Harrow]

Finast Kind, sorely missed. We're all a little bit smaller, even if it is all just electro-chemical. No one could want for a grander or wiser grandfriend.

Bye Norm. I raised a drop of my special port in your honor.

[Ken Leap]

I feel very sad. Fair winds, Norm.

Ken

[Hughman]

Fair winds Norm. I'll miss you.

[boatlover]

Second try to post. So stunned I forgot to login

There is a certain similarity between the "sea of water" and the prairies - the "sea of grass."

Seems like you can "ride at a run forever.." on either one.

There is poetry in the interaction between wind and water or grass.

Poetry in the motion of a boat between wind and water.

Poetry in the fashioning of wood and metal and cloth into a thing of grace.

Poetry in the name "Prairie Islander," and the titling of the "Grand neighbors."

Poetry too - and even moreso - in the living of a life that none of those he touched regrets aught but that they - we - did not know him longer and better.

The world need more of Norms kind of poetry.

My condolences to Phyllis and the family.


Ed Ricketts

[D Gobby]

Norm I wish that you enlighten the world on the other side of the rainbow bridge as much as you enlightened this side.

Darrel

[Magwitch]

Norm was a Pal. Very sad news,,,,,,,,,,
I'll raise a glass to him tonight.
Phylis, I'm so sorry.
IanW

[Andrew S/Y Rocquette]

Sunset and evening star,
And one clear call for me!
And may there be no moaning of the bar,
When I put out to sea,

But such a tide as moving seems asleep,
Too full for sound and foam,
When that which drew from out the boundless deep
Turns again home.

Twilight and evening bell,
And after that the dark!
And may there be no sadness of farewell,
When I embark;

For tho' from out our bourne of Time and Place
The flood may bear me far,
I hope to see my Pilot face to face
When I have crossed the bar.

Alfred, Lord Tennyson

[T.A.R.]

Very sad, very very sad.

[sawcutmill]

The wooden boat community will sorely miss him. My condolences to all who were touched by his presence here, very sad day.

[imported_Daniel]

Goodbye Norm, I will miss you. :( :(

[Skiff Junkie]

:(

[shamus]

Goodbye to a wise and funny gentleman. :(

[pippo]

Very sad, I din't know he was sick. My heartfelt simpathy to his family. Fair winds Norm.

[nedL]

I'm at a loss for words other than, we will all miss you. :(

[huisjen]

:(

[sseay]

His memory will be kept alive by us all, here in our forum community.

[WWheeler]

Unbelievable. He will be missed.

[Con LanAdo]

well would someone ask the family directly if we can start a donation to his park service or other organization that he would be honored by. Possibly Mr. Bell would oversea the handling of this.

[garland reese]

Goodbye my friend. What a truly nice man. My condolences to all his family. :(
Garland

[Jonas]

Rest in peace, Norm. Heartfelt sympathy to his family.
Jonas

[Willin']

Omaha, Nebraska, USA, Terra , Sol, Milky Way.... and finally heaven.

If he can't be reaching before a fresh breeze on Prairie Islander, I guess heaven's the next best place to be.

Deep sadness.

Mark and Cheryl Carver

[abe]

Our condolences and thoughts to Phyllis, family and to his many friends. Few could and none will ever equal what Norm brought to this forum.

He was an inspiration to many of us.

abe

[Dave R]

http://www.woodshopphotos.com/albums/Dave-R1s-Album/surprise1.jpg

With apologies to Geoff Hunt and Patrick O'Brian.

[Bruce Taylor]

and finally heaven.Or not. ;)

[jwswanboats]

:(

[Ed Harrow]

MESSINGER—Norman G., age 70.
FUNERAL NOTICE LATER. JOHN A. GENTLEMAN MORTUARIES
72nd STREET CHAPEL
1010 North 72nd St., 402 391-1664

I called Phyllis last night and left a message. I'll call the above a bit later today.

to relive old times:

Hi Lynn,
>
You want to join me on a fishing expedition...

Best,
>
Ed

Looks like my Dad is trying to snatch the prey once again. Sheesh. And he told me not to troll. Does it take a troll to catch a troll? If so I'm your boy.

Lynn

[ 05-13-2005, 09:14 AM: Message edited by: Ed Harrow ]

[Lone Star]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid132/p94022d5bca9db9dcc0c393aa5b97ce2d/f79174f2.jpg

I'm not much of a regular poster here but I've been reading the board for years. I've enjoyed Norm's posts and the one single thing that touched me the most was his love of children. The time he spent with them has certainly changed their lives and his life will live on within them.

Lee.

[BrianR]

Two days ago, I had emailed Norm to ask him about the application of vinyl letters for my Melonseed. He was, as always, happy to share his knowledge with me. He asked too, for some pictures, which he complimented. He said he has been resisting the temptation to build one for some time now, but felt inspired.

Norm always inspired me. A friend till the end. This forum will never be the same, and he leaves me (and all of us) indebted to him.

I'll try to bear in mind that he's just "Further Along".

[John R Smith]

To Phyllis, and the family, and to all our old friends on the Forum. Kate and I are deeply saddened to hear that Norm is no longer with us. We followed the building of "Prairie Islander", the launch and the first voyages across that lake as if you were our own family, even though you are an ocean away and we have never met. When we posted our own little adventures on "Lulu", Norm was always one of the first to join in on the post and gently tease us a bit. You can judge someone's character by their posts, no problem. And Norm was solid gold. He's still sailing somewhere.

John, Kate, Lulu and Doris.

[ 05-13-2005, 11:01 AM: Message edited by: John R Smith ]

[Marcio Moreira]

Farewell

:( :( :(

[Mike Vogdes]

What a loss to us all.. Rest in peace Norm.

[gaffman]

To Norm's family: I am saddened to hear of your loss. May your grief be tempered with joyful memories of Norm. This long list of condolencenses is tribute.

[Ed Harrow]

I just called the funeral home; I'm to call back in a couple of hours.

[ 05-13-2005, 11:41 AM: Message edited by: Ed Harrow ]

[Alan D. Hyde]

Here's a link to the obits. page of the Omaha World-Herald---

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=527

:(

Alan

[Ron Williamson]

[Sailman58]

We will miss you Norm!

Ron

[SailBoatDude]

Life offers people like Norm, to remind us of what a good man can do. My sincerest regards to his wife, family and friends. A very large whole has opened here and will likely not get filled.

[Dave Gray]

My condolences to the family. I am happy for Norm that he was able to build his Prarie Islander, sail it in Maine, and that he was featured in the Launchings section of WoodenBoat magazine.

Happy sails, Norm.

[Ed Harrow]

The Messinger Family will be having a gathering at the Pacific St Chapel of the Gentlemen funeral home. Scheduled time is 2PM. For more information: 402 391 1664

[WindHawk]

:(

One thing I did learn from Norm was that when he said something, on most any subject at all, it would be prudent to listen to him.

Fair Winds...

[Matt J.]

I'm off for the weekend. I wanted to say before I left that Phyllis and Wes, if you read these, please know there'll be another family in Maryland thinking and praying (it makes us feel better) for you all, and Norm.

I didn't know him beyond his posts, but I'm still struck by how much loss I feel for you, us, and selfishly, me.

Our sincerest condolences,
Matt & Jenny

[TC]

I saw the topic and thought, "Uh-oh." It's strange to feel such sadness losing someone I never knew.
Tim

[Bob Cleek]

Like all, I'm saddened by the news. No need to add Norm was a good guy. I'm sure he'll be waiting when the rest of us "make port."

[kng]

I´m very sad to read this... I want to give thanks to Norm that has helped me with any question I made for the Grey Seal building, Thanks Norm !! Im not very good for this... but Im really sad.
Emiliano.

[Evan Showell]

Not much I can say that hasn't already been said. Norm was quick and unstinting about offering encouragement and advice. I'll miss his puckish sense of humor and zest for life. He accomplished much but was modest about his accomplishments -- a true gentleman in every sense of the word. I never had the privilege of meeting him, yet somehow I feel as though I knew him.

Phyllis, Wes and family, cherish your memories of Norm. He will be missed by more than you. He was loved and respected by many.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

http://www.woodenboat.com/farewell.jpg

[Tom M.]

Norm?! Norm...

Bye Norm.

[Harry Miller]

It's hard to get my head around this.
We just got back from up north to attend a 70th birthday party and on the drive home I quoted this post of Norm's on Nora Lee's anniversary thread:
I used to think living with a 70 year old woman wouldn't be that much fun but it gets better every year. Have no fear. I was going to say it at the party and I think I still will. I'm glad it got better every year. Fair winds Norm.

[Peter Kalshoven]

Oh, Phyllis, I'm so sorry.
High Flight
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long delirious, burning blue,
I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew -
And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod
The high untresspassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand and touched the face of God.
-(Pilot Officer Gillespie Magee)

Dear Norm.

Second star to the right, and straight on until morning.

Fair Winds, Grandpa.

Pete

[Bob Perkins]

Thanks for everything Norm, Farewell.

:( :( :(

[trull]

Fair winds and a broad reach, Norm....

[Brian Palmer]

I'm not much of a perfectionist, but this afternoon working on the boat, I definitely tried a little harder.

Thank you Norm.

-- Brian

[Earl]

Norm, So long.

[casem]

This is sad indeed. Norm has given me a ton of good advice over the years. He was even the first to reply to the first post I made on this forum. Amazing, but that had to be 5 or 6 years ago.

Goodbye Norm.

[Tim Diebert]

Bye Norm. Say hi to my Dad.

[Ed Harrow]

I talked with Phyllis - as you might guess she is a trooper. They are asking donations be made to American Cancer Society. I'll email Scot to see if WB will set up the donation as they've done in times past.

[Scott Rosen]

This is such sad news. Norm was kind, open-hearted and open-minded. He gave everyone a fair shake. I don't think he ever wrote a word in anger.

Norm made the world a better place, a much better place. Thank you, Phyllis, for encouraging him to share his time with us. And condolences to you and your family.

Scott and Nancy Rosen

[ 05-13-2005, 10:49 PM: Message edited by: Scott Rosen ]

[Ken Hall]

Terrible news. Words fail. God grant rest to Norm and consolation to his family. :(

[John Gearing]

Norm, you were one of the Great Folks of the forum. witty, wise, generous with praise and knowledge. And you were the real deal --- one of the few who built the boat they sailed. You are missed!! The world needs more Norms. A lot more. I have to go now and dry a tear.

[Jim Mathieson]

I got a feeling of sadness then a very long peacefull feeling all yesterday morning.I always enjoyed and respected Norms posts.His calming the waters humour will be missed.

[ 05-14-2005, 10:01 AM: Message edited by: Jim Mathieson ]

[Clif]

Bye Norm, and Thank you.

[videoguy]

I know Norm is in a place were keel bolts don't rust, ribs don't crack,planks don't rot,fittings don't tarnish and there is always a fair wind. Good sailing Norm, you will be missed by many. :( :( .......Phil

[Dave Williams]

A man of kindness and integrity. He will be sorely missed.

Fair winds Norm.

[botebum]

He'll be sorely missed. :( Condolences to his family.

[Wild Dingo]

Me ol mate Granpaw has gone? Where????

Oh flamin Geezhus! :( :( Such a quiet gentleman of the forum, a man who didnt hessitate to offer his assistance and help no matter what it was for if he could he would.

Granpaw is a mate one who sent the plans of a simple canoe when utter confusion reigned for me and quietly said "here you are have a go at this one dingo" encouragement he gave without a hessitation and finally a cheerful "well done" once I was finished and my first boat was in the water.

I felt him smile the day we launched and knew he was proud as he was with all his grand neighbors see both he and I considered that I was just another one down the track a bit and over the deep blue is all... but a mate and a gran neighbor none the less... to me he was me mate and always Granpaw Norm

Phyllis keep the smile if not on the outside on the inside in these times when sadness reigns always remember the laughter smiles and joy the days spend sailing with your beloved by your side tiller in hand and eye on the sheet as the horizon comes toward you... smile on my dear friend smiler

Wes... believe that your dad was loved around the world for his kindness gentleness thoughtful comments and encouragement a true gentleman who will be missed by so many that never met in the physical met in the words posted here on the forums of woodenboat.com

And although it doesnt compare with having lost your dad I and a host of others around the world have lost a good mate so we share your greif and sadness

Fair winds and a following sea as you wait upon the ebb tide for your beloved smiler for the final sail into Valhalla rest easy Granpaw Norm ol mate... I'll see you soon and we'll raise a cheer or two

This place will be lessened by your setting sail for the horizon. :(

[Thad Van Gilder]

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

[George Jung]

My condolences, as well. It is amazing, the sense of loss we've all experienced, of a person most have not met outside of this forum.

[Jerry Sousa]

What a great loss for the WBF. I'll miss him too.

[Ed Harrow]

WoodenBoat will be setting up a donation arrangement, via charge card, as has been done in the past. Phyllis would like donations to American Cancer Society.

Thank you WoodenBoat; here's to hope...

[Gerald]

I'll miss the gentleman from Nebraska. Condolences to Norms Family.
Gerald Niffenegger
Florianopolis, SC Brasil

[Peter Plones]

:( My condolences.

[manel]

Norm,
I checked often your pictures at imagestation, saying to myself: “I would like my boat so good looking as these made by the “maestro” Norm.
I hope there is a sea and good timber wherever you are. Thank you, Norm.
See you.

Manel

[wolfietuk]

:( smile.gif Saddness for our loss, joy for the joy he brought.
Rick

[hkent]

I began posting back on this forum back in 1998 when the background was a mustard color and the font type was a brick red. No more proof as the older messages slowly disappear with each new post (except for my 1998 archived post over at Glen-L). I was there when the gang started talking about a controversial product called CPES to the point where it seems to have become a "household" name these days.My posts were varnished based. I was the new owner of a 1972 Tollycraft Sedan. And Norm, Bob Cleek, John R Smith, ArtRead, Scott Rosen and even the chemist, were always there to answer my questions despite the fact that they had answered the same question three days prior. And Norm and Bob seemed to be the biggest help to me and the most patient (not that the others weren't...everyone has been great) and I developed a dependency on their wisdom and advice. As difficult as it is to read emotion on a discussion forum, Norm and Bob always made me feel just a little bit better. They provided more than "the facts." They sent me away feeling excited about attempting what I had just read and learned. I could sense the arm around the shoulder, the head rub and ruffing up the hair, the "go gettum" pat on the back as I ran off to give my new found knowledge a practical try. Like many on any forum, however, time, other interests, other responsibilites, tend to pull one away. I too took on other interests, my own website and the moderator of discussion forum. But I would chime in on occasion if for no other reason to see if my mentors were still here. I would click on various posts to see if I saw Norm or Bob's name. And when I did..."Whew," I would think to myself, they are still around. I noticed Bob was around but not as active, but up until a few days ago Norm was ALWAYS there, right in the thick of it. And has been throughout the various cybergenerations that have existed on this forum.

Norm would not have remembered me for I did not post that much. I just read and absorbed. I don't know if Bob remembers me or not and it doesn't matter...for many of his words of wisdom are still tucked away in my head and heart, and yes, safely saved on a disc in my "boatbuilding" file.

I am selfish.

I will miss seeing the name "NormMessinger" on this forum and the comfort of knowing that he was here in the event that I ever needed some advise.

I am sorry I never met Norm.

I am sorry I have wasted years of "dreaming" rather than doing regarding my own dream boat project.

I am truly bummed.

My prayers are with you Norm. My prayers are with Norm's family.

Bob, this is a thank you to you too. Seeing your name above this particular page was wonderful.

Hazen Kent
St. Simons Island, GA

[ 05-15-2005, 10:28 AM: Message edited by: hkent ]

[Tom Robb]

Thank God for another generous soul who, as it too often seems, was too soon gone. We'll all miss ya, Norm.

[stef]

Good bye Norm. My thoughts are with your family at this time.

Stefan Shelenko

[Wayne Jeffers]

I've been away from the computer for the last week and I just found this.

My most sincere condolences to Phyllis and the rest of Norm's family.

We're all much poorer for his passing. He will be sorely missed.

:(

Wayne

[skuthorp]

Just got back, what awful news. I guess I thought he was immortal. Maybe considering his influence on all of us he is.
Awfully sorry Phyllis and family
Sail on Norm
:(

[Andrew]

Fair winds, Norm.

[ssor]

My life has been made richer by having had the privilege of reading the words of men such as Norm. We can only revere his writtings. Those that have had the benefit of having met one of the giants in our lifetime will forever be better for the time they had together.
Norm shall be sorely missed. :( :(

Ross in Bel Air

[Roger Stouff]

Surely one of the most generous and compassionate people I met here on the WBF. He showed me remarkable kindness and friendship. I didn't even know he was ill.

I'll miss you, my friend.

Ships that pass in the night and speak each other in passing;
Only a signal shown and a distant voice in the darkness;
So on the ocean of life we pass and speak one another,
Only a look and a voice; then darkness again and a silence
-- Longfellow

[gary porter]

Just got back in town.,,what a shock.. :(
A very respected man who will be greatly missed.
Gary

[doorstop]

Whenever world events would make me get very anti-american and make me feel like expending a little venom I would think of Norm and I would hold my "tongue" because Norm might have been offended and that just wasn't fair because he was/is one of the few gentlemen of this place who was/is more of a man than just an american...

Please don't anyone take offense at my words, Norm will always be a very important, much admired and loved man and to take offense here would diminish Norms memory. He was a most marvellous person. I am very, very sad....

[Bryan Mehus]

I'm very sorry Phyllis, Wes, and all who love Norm, me included.

Always a voice of reason amid the chaos.

I'd like to be remembered when I go, as 'a guy like Norm.'

Bryan

[swanko]

A fine fellow. I always enjoyed his informative posts. Certainly will be missed.

[Frank Wentzel]

I think Bryan nailed on the head "I'd like to be remembered when I go, as 'a guy like Norm.'" I don't think there is any chance that I could measure up, but I can try!

/// Frank ///

[ssor]

Many years ago a Diplomat was posted to a small country and some one asked if he were the replacement for the man that had previously occupied that honor position and he replied, " No one can replce my predesor, I am his successor". Others may attempt to carry Norm's standard but no one will ever replace him. We used to say that someone was not worthy to carry his light, I think that it will be a very long time before someone appears on this forum that could carry Norm's light.

[Bob Quick]

Not much to say except that Norm will be missed. The exchanges we had over casting where wonderful. Hope he took a bronze cob with him.

Didn't always agree on non sailing items but he will be missed.

The very best I can wish to all of his.

Bob

[Concordia..41]

Aye Mike – I bet Norm is enjoying Lynn’s company right about now, and somewhere in Heaven there’s a garage ‘er boat shop where little pieces of Gatsby, Sarah, and Prairie Islander are being cleaned, polished, and rebuilt.

- M

[JimConlin]

I have been told, and I choose to believe, that the Lord does not count against a man's alotted years the time spent working on his boat.

Gotta go back to the shop,
Jim

[Bob at Compass Boat]

I don't believe it . Been away from the computer for awhile. What a shock. I will greatly miss the wit and wisdom of Norm.

My best to Phyllis and family.

Smooth waters and fair winds Norm.

Bolb at compass Boat

[Garrett Lowell]

This morning, I heard "Miss American Pie" on the way to the office. Immediately it brought Norm to mind.

I met a girl who sang the blues, and I asked her for some happy news but she just smiled and turned away.

[wyndham]

I've been away for along time, so long that I had to change my login name and all that stuff. What a shock.
I remember six or seven years ago when I first came to the forum, Norm was always the voice of reason, always the sage.
Sail on Norm, fair winds and a following sea.....

[GavinFromCascoBay]

I'm new to the forum, but my dad, Steven Bauer, has been here for a while.

I had the good fortune of meeting Norm last summer and he was exactly as you'd expect him to be: clever, witty, thoughtful, kind, and generally good-natured.

I was shocked when I heard of his passing, he was actively posting only a day or two before. He was a wonderful person, and a good rolemodel to all. I will miss him very much.

May he sail on in the highest heaven.

[Paul Scheuer]

For those who don't link to the Forum Home Page, there is a Donation link through the Store for donations to the American Cancer Society in Norm's name.
http://www.woodenboat.com/redrose.jpg
S'long Norm. We'll miss you.

[brad9798]

God Damn it, Norm ... I disappear from this forum for a few weeks ... and your gone!!! :(

I never met Norm either ... but his wit was classic.

And, his kids and I went to the same high school ... how 'bout that for small world.

:( :(

[mower]

Just heard. Truly saddened.

[Alan D. Hyde]

From the Omaha World Herald---

"MESSINGER—Norman G., age 70. Preceded in death by Son, Lynn Allen Messinger; Sister, Arlene Runyan. Survived by Wife, Phyllis; Son, Wes; Daughter-in-Law, Ivy Otto Messinger; Grandchildren, Kit and Charlia Messinger; Brother, Elmer (Donna) Lawver; Sister, Carol (Marvin) Laeger; Numerous Nieces and Nephews.
GATHERING of Friends and Family, Mon. 2pm at John A Gentleman Pacific St. Chapel. In lieu of flowers to the American Cancer Society. JOHN A. GENTLEMAN MORTUARIES
PACIFIC STREET CHAPEL
14151 Pacific St., 391-1664"

***

Alan

[steve sparhawk]

I knew Norm. He was kind, honest, a doer, a craftsman, funny, respectful, a great bread baker, selfless--a man's man and beloved husband. I only found out about his passing from Phyllis this evening as I was preparing to meet them tomorrow in Omaha for a sail.

A bit of goodness just left us. There aren't many like him. We will have a bit of a hole here in our midst which is not likely to be filled. I hope that I see him again and hear him say," Welcome aboard".

Steve Sparhawk

[willmarsh3]

I'm really sad to see one of the great luminaries of the best boat forum on the internet go. I'll remember him as I decide how to mount that stern light on my Elver.

Will

[Smacksman]

Farewell Norm. May you find fair winds, smooth water and good company where you're headed.
http://www.alberta-ck318.freeserve.co.uk/andy/images/ellenck222b.jpg

Roger

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[Hwyl]

I've been out sailing for a while. This news on my computer. I feel a personal loss, I can't imagine what those who knew him well are feeling. He will remain an inspiration to me.

[Ed Harrow]

224 posts. $650 ???

[Alan D. Hyde]

They haven't updated that number for a while, Ed.

It's more now.

Alan

[Paul Scheuer]

The WoodenBoat Store mechanism may seem a little impersonal and perhaps cumbersome. I believe that it is necessary and still the most secure route. I'm sure Norm's family will appreciate the store's efforts.

[Nora Lee]

I have been out of town and not able to connect online for a bit, I am so sorry to hear about his death. May God Bless his soul and his family's homes and hearts.

Well, I hope that Norm is checking out the anchorages up there for the best raft up ever....WBF in the after life what a concept!

I am planning to finally meet him and the others from this wonderful place in the hereafter.

Phyllis and family,

He's just gone on ahead, he's not dead, he'll see you in a little while.

He is just checking out the heavenly mansion to make sure your reservation is confirmed!

I enjoyed knowing him through this medium and wish I had met him in person, he was a true inspirtation to many and a gentleman sailor to all!

This forum and this world is a better place, because he was here.

Best Regards,

Nora & Jon Lee
Hertford, NC

[ 05-28-2005, 10:41 PM: Message edited by: Nora Lee ]

[RGM]

Haven't been around the Forum lately. Sure saddened to hear that Norm is no longer with us. I'll certainly miss his presence. I wish his family the best.

Rodger G. Morris

[Jack Heinlen]

I posted my sorrow on another thread, but as this is the official one I'll say it again.

Norm was a fine gentle man. I miss him, terribly. God bless him and those he left behind.

Jack Heinlen

[Eric R]

I only recently re-joined the forum, but I remember Norm from my time under a different user name (Bob Aberton).

I don't feel I can write anything to do Norm justice, so I'll just say this: Fair winds and following seas, Norm.

[Ross Faneuf]

My sympathies to Norm's family. A fine gentleman who will be greatly missed; a great loss.

[Stargazer14]

:( I only recently returned from europe and did not see the notice of this while I was away. I too am saddened, I truly enjoyed looking for Norms witty, informative postings. I had hoped to meet him one day.
Dont see his place being filled on the forum.
You are missed Norm.

[Ed Harrow]

Almost to a grand - come folks, step right up, we can make it!

[Bayboat]

Norm, may you have fair winds and following seas. You and yours are sailing on in our thoughts.

[PhyllisMessinger]

Friends,

It has been five weeks since Norm died. I registered specifically to thank you all, including Scot and other members of the WoodenBoat Community. I wish I had the words to express the extent of my appreciation of your support and your generosity. Norm used to tell me that “saying ’thank you’ limits the expression of your gratitude,” but I have no other way than to try.

I am moved by your farewell comments knowing that Norm would have been embarrassed, but pleased. I made a point to show these statements to family members and they all walked away touched and grateful. In some cases, the thread showed a facet of their brother, brother-in-law and uncle of which they’d been unaware.

Norm dragged me kicking and screaming into many adventures, and, even as I protested, I knew these were horizon-expanding activities. He made me a better person and I’m missing him like crazy.

Thanks, again, for enriching both of our lives.

Phyllis

P.S. I have been saddened by Ian McColgin’s thread on the loss of Granuaile.

I’m rooting for Ian Wright to have many tales of his own to tell.

Norm would have been emotionally involved with those stories as well as with many others that are currently emerging. prm

[cs]

Phyllis, I wish you and yours the best. These are hard times, but you were blessed with having someone as loving and caring as Norm was. May we all be so lucky.

Chad

[Ed Harrow]

Phyllis, thank you for dropping in. I hope you'll continue to do so; there are some who could do well with some of your wise and patient guidance.

((0))

[winslow]

Sad to hear about Norm.
I only knew him through the computer. He reminded me of some of the men in my family - grown on a Kansas farm with a curiosity that took them off to discover what is in the world . . . and make it a bit better.

- winslow

[ken mcclure]

I am crushed.

Of all of the wonderful people I've met on this forum, Norm was the one with whom I most identified.

I never met him. We never spoke face to face. But I somehow knew that if I looked just a little to the right of sunset I had a friend there. Someone who shared my sense of humor. Who liked many of the same things. Who invariably said the things I'm sure I would have said if I'd have thought a little quicker.

The world is a little bleaker without him - but an awful lot brighter for his having been here.

[Jim Hillman]

I was very shocked to see this when I came back to the forum. I've waited to post my condolences because I couldn't find the right words, still can't in some ways. Norm was a gentleman, always ready with a kind word or a bit of encouragement. He had a pleasent personality and a quick wit. I'll miss him here.

My condolences to his family.

Jim

[Alan D. Hyde]

Phyllis, thank you for your post.

May God bless, guide and guard you and yours.

Yes, I can guess what Norm might have said to that! :D I'll miss him... :(

Alan

[rich morpurgo]

How sad,

I have been a lurker and sometimes poster on and off for years. He always had positive things to say. That set the tone for this board in alot of ways.

I have not been here for a while since we spent the last 6 months on our Westsail 32 in the Bahamas and Florida. I came back to sad news.

He will be missed....

Rich Morpurgo