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We have this tree in our yard in Michigan. Not sure if it is red or white oak. The retarded guy who mows the lawn is trying to tell my grandmother that the tree is sick and needs to be cut down. I tell her that its fine and he is just after valuable lumber. He has already done this once before, and I just want to go and shoot the guy. My grandmother says she feels sorry for him because he is retarded. Can anyone tell what kind of oak this is from this distance? or have a ballpark figure as to lumber value? I need to stop this guy. :mad: :mad:
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[ 08-25-2004, 04:41 PM: Message edited by: TimH ]
We have this tree in our yard in Michigan. Not sure if it is red or white oak. The retarded guy who mows the lawn is trying to tell my grandmother that the tree is sick and needs to be cut down. I tell her that its fine and he is just after valuable lumber. He has already done this once before, and I just want to go and shoot the guy. My grandmother says she feels sorry for him because he is retarded. Can anyone tell what kind of oak this is from this distance? or have a ballpark figure as to lumber value? I need to stop this guy. :mad: :mad:
http://students.washington.edu/hoehnt/tree.jpg
[ 08-25-2004, 04:41 PM: Message edited by: TimH ]
We have this tree in our yard in Michigan. Not sure if it is red or white oak. The retarded guy who mows the lawn is trying to tell my grandmother that the tree is sick and needs to be cut down. I tell her that its fine and he is just after valuable lumber. He has already done this once before, and I just want to go and shoot the guy. My grandmother says she feels sorry for him because he is retarded. Can anyone tell what kind of oak this is from this distance? or have a ballpark figure as to lumber value? I need to stop this guy. :mad: :mad:
http://students.washington.edu/hoehnt/tree.jpg
[ 08-25-2004, 04:41 PM: Message edited by: TimH ]
Venchka
08-25-2004, 05:25 PM
One quick & dirty test I heard is look at the leaves. Round lobes=white oak. Pointy lobes=red oak.
White oak (post oak) leaf:
http://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrology/syllabus/PICTS/qstellataleaf.jpg
Red oak leaf:
http://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrology/syllabus/picts/qrubraleaf2.jpg
I hope this helps.
Wayne
In the Swamp. :D
[ 08-25-2004, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]
Venchka
08-25-2004, 05:25 PM
One quick & dirty test I heard is look at the leaves. Round lobes=white oak. Pointy lobes=red oak.
White oak (post oak) leaf:
http://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrology/syllabus/PICTS/qstellataleaf.jpg
Red oak leaf:
http://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrology/syllabus/picts/qrubraleaf2.jpg
I hope this helps.
Wayne
In the Swamp. :D
[ 08-25-2004, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]
Venchka
08-25-2004, 05:25 PM
One quick & dirty test I heard is look at the leaves. Round lobes=white oak. Pointy lobes=red oak.
White oak (post oak) leaf:
http://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrology/syllabus/PICTS/qstellataleaf.jpg
Red oak leaf:
http://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrology/syllabus/picts/qrubraleaf2.jpg
I hope this helps.
Wayne
In the Swamp. :D
[ 08-25-2004, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]
Thanx, There are both in our yard, I just cannot remember which is which. I am having an arborcuturist go and look at the tree on Friday. He said sometimes they get a fungus that is easily cured.
Thanx, There are both in our yard, I just cannot remember which is which. I am having an arborcuturist go and look at the tree on Friday. He said sometimes they get a fungus that is easily cured.
Thanx, There are both in our yard, I just cannot remember which is which. I am having an arborcuturist go and look at the tree on Friday. He said sometimes they get a fungus that is easily cured.
Venchka
08-25-2004, 06:16 PM
Your welcome. Glad to help.
Wayne
In the Swamp. :D
Venchka
08-25-2004, 06:16 PM
Your welcome. Glad to help.
Wayne
In the Swamp. :D
Venchka
08-25-2004, 06:16 PM
Your welcome. Glad to help.
Wayne
In the Swamp. :D
alteran
08-25-2004, 06:28 PM
Let us know what he says.
My guess without seeing it close is that it is mostly firewood. The butt log might be ok but looks like it has a crack in it and decay near the bottom.
Even if not, here where oak is plentiful it would not be something someone would make much money on by the time they got it out and cleaned up the mess.
Tree removal guys here would be happy to give it away.
alteran
08-25-2004, 06:28 PM
Let us know what he says.
My guess without seeing it close is that it is mostly firewood. The butt log might be ok but looks like it has a crack in it and decay near the bottom.
Even if not, here where oak is plentiful it would not be something someone would make much money on by the time they got it out and cleaned up the mess.
Tree removal guys here would be happy to give it away.
alteran
08-25-2004, 06:28 PM
Let us know what he says.
My guess without seeing it close is that it is mostly firewood. The butt log might be ok but looks like it has a crack in it and decay near the bottom.
Even if not, here where oak is plentiful it would not be something someone would make much money on by the time they got it out and cleaned up the mess.
Tree removal guys here would be happy to give it away.
Thats not what I want to hear. If oak is so plentiful, how come I just paid $58 for a white oak 2X4 8' long?
Thats not what I want to hear. If oak is so plentiful, how come I just paid $58 for a white oak 2X4 8' long?
Thats not what I want to hear. If oak is so plentiful, how come I just paid $58 for a white oak 2X4 8' long?
I have split various kinds of oak for firewood. White Oak is the very devil to split. It has interlaced fibers, and you may need four wedges and a bow saw to get a 18 inch long 18 inch diameter log into halves. I guess that is one reason it was so valued for boat building.
Some other kinds are so easy. I wish I remember which. They practically fell appart before the wedge was properly set.
Talk to your expert.
I have split various kinds of oak for firewood. White Oak is the very devil to split. It has interlaced fibers, and you may need four wedges and a bow saw to get a 18 inch long 18 inch diameter log into halves. I guess that is one reason it was so valued for boat building.
Some other kinds are so easy. I wish I remember which. They practically fell appart before the wedge was properly set.
Talk to your expert.
I have split various kinds of oak for firewood. White Oak is the very devil to split. It has interlaced fibers, and you may need four wedges and a bow saw to get a 18 inch long 18 inch diameter log into halves. I guess that is one reason it was so valued for boat building.
Some other kinds are so easy. I wish I remember which. They practically fell appart before the wedge was properly set.
Talk to your expert.
alteran
08-25-2004, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by TimH:
Thats not what I want to hear. If oak is so plentiful, how come I just paid $58 for a white oak 2X4 8' long?Don't know why you did but I could sell you a 2X4X8' white oak select picked up here for way less than $20.00. In quantities much less than that.
If you are looking for some let me know.
Al.
alteran
08-25-2004, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by TimH:
Thats not what I want to hear. If oak is so plentiful, how come I just paid $58 for a white oak 2X4 8' long?Don't know why you did but I could sell you a 2X4X8' white oak select picked up here for way less than $20.00. In quantities much less than that.
If you are looking for some let me know.
Al.
alteran
08-25-2004, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by TimH:
Thats not what I want to hear. If oak is so plentiful, how come I just paid $58 for a white oak 2X4 8' long?Don't know why you did but I could sell you a 2X4X8' white oak select picked up here for way less than $20.00. In quantities much less than that.
If you are looking for some let me know.
Al.
Mrleft8
08-27-2004, 08:12 AM
Kinda hard to tell from that picture, but it looks like a red oak to me, and it also looks "sick". I'd say it was firewood. Oak is so cheap that unless it's a really spectacular tree, it's not worth milling.
Mrleft8
08-27-2004, 08:12 AM
Kinda hard to tell from that picture, but it looks like a red oak to me, and it also looks "sick". I'd say it was firewood. Oak is so cheap that unless it's a really spectacular tree, it's not worth milling.
Mrleft8
08-27-2004, 08:12 AM
Kinda hard to tell from that picture, but it looks like a red oak to me, and it also looks "sick". I'd say it was firewood. Oak is so cheap that unless it's a really spectacular tree, it's not worth milling.
raycon
08-27-2004, 09:55 AM
Red oak would be my guess.
Kiln dried white oak right now can be bought at $3bd/ft, locally that is. So a 2x4-8' might fetch $15-20.
The local mills(here) are paying $300-400mbf for white oaks (that look like that tree) thats $.30/bdft -- unless like Dougs says its spectacular -- then it may go to canada but not one buyer will take a yard tree. Red oak has more value here at the moment.
$10 bd/ft sounds real high.
raycon
08-27-2004, 09:55 AM
Red oak would be my guess.
Kiln dried white oak right now can be bought at $3bd/ft, locally that is. So a 2x4-8' might fetch $15-20.
The local mills(here) are paying $300-400mbf for white oaks (that look like that tree) thats $.30/bdft -- unless like Dougs says its spectacular -- then it may go to canada but not one buyer will take a yard tree. Red oak has more value here at the moment.
$10 bd/ft sounds real high.
raycon
08-27-2004, 09:55 AM
Red oak would be my guess.
Kiln dried white oak right now can be bought at $3bd/ft, locally that is. So a 2x4-8' might fetch $15-20.
The local mills(here) are paying $300-400mbf for white oaks (that look like that tree) thats $.30/bdft -- unless like Dougs says its spectacular -- then it may go to canada but not one buyer will take a yard tree. Red oak has more value here at the moment.
$10 bd/ft sounds real high.
George Roberts
08-27-2004, 10:20 AM
The tree looks too small to bother with.
George Roberts
08-27-2004, 10:20 AM
The tree looks too small to bother with.
George Roberts
08-27-2004, 10:20 AM
The tree looks too small to bother with.
ErikH
08-27-2004, 10:34 AM
It's certainly possible that the guy wants to cut it down even if it doesn't 'need' it. Maybe he wants the firewood, maybe he wants the extra hours of work; maybe he wants the lumber; maybe he just likes to cut down trees. If you ignore his motive and make your own decision you'll sleep easier.
ErikH
08-27-2004, 10:34 AM
It's certainly possible that the guy wants to cut it down even if it doesn't 'need' it. Maybe he wants the firewood, maybe he wants the extra hours of work; maybe he wants the lumber; maybe he just likes to cut down trees. If you ignore his motive and make your own decision you'll sleep easier.
ErikH
08-27-2004, 10:34 AM
It's certainly possible that the guy wants to cut it down even if it doesn't 'need' it. Maybe he wants the firewood, maybe he wants the extra hours of work; maybe he wants the lumber; maybe he just likes to cut down trees. If you ignore his motive and make your own decision you'll sleep easier.
Chris Boers
08-27-2004, 10:37 AM
My local hardwoods store here in Atlanta gets around $6 bd-ft for 8/4 white oak. I wish I could get it cheaper, but I think it is just a matter of supply and demand.
Chris Boers
08-27-2004, 10:37 AM
My local hardwoods store here in Atlanta gets around $6 bd-ft for 8/4 white oak. I wish I could get it cheaper, but I think it is just a matter of supply and demand.
Chris Boers
08-27-2004, 10:37 AM
My local hardwoods store here in Atlanta gets around $6 bd-ft for 8/4 white oak. I wish I could get it cheaper, but I think it is just a matter of supply and demand.
raycon
08-27-2004, 11:32 AM
Chris try going to a mill to buy wood.
I've never tried buying hardwood in a store or from a big named lumber yard like Home depot etc..
http://www.forestryforum.com
http://www.woodweb.com
May help you find a local mill.
raycon
08-27-2004, 11:32 AM
Chris try going to a mill to buy wood.
I've never tried buying hardwood in a store or from a big named lumber yard like Home depot etc..
http://www.forestryforum.com
http://www.woodweb.com
May help you find a local mill.
raycon
08-27-2004, 11:32 AM
Chris try going to a mill to buy wood.
I've never tried buying hardwood in a store or from a big named lumber yard like Home depot etc..
http://www.forestryforum.com
http://www.woodweb.com
May help you find a local mill.
alteran
08-27-2004, 07:06 PM
So Tim, did the tree doctor come? And what did he say.
alteran
08-27-2004, 07:06 PM
So Tim, did the tree doctor come? And what did he say.
alteran
08-27-2004, 07:06 PM
So Tim, did the tree doctor come? And what did he say.
alteran
08-27-2004, 07:44 PM
Just thought of something as I planned tommorrows work day. I told one of my employees to make a new ramp for our equipment trailer.
He said sure, theres a nice oak plank thats perfect in the lean to.
2x8x10 white oak plank, not select but close to it since we don't want it to break when loading a machine.
Bought it with a bunch of black ash for my house.
$1.00 a board foot, dry, rough sawn.
alteran
08-27-2004, 07:44 PM
Just thought of something as I planned tommorrows work day. I told one of my employees to make a new ramp for our equipment trailer.
He said sure, theres a nice oak plank thats perfect in the lean to.
2x8x10 white oak plank, not select but close to it since we don't want it to break when loading a machine.
Bought it with a bunch of black ash for my house.
$1.00 a board foot, dry, rough sawn.
alteran
08-27-2004, 07:44 PM
Just thought of something as I planned tommorrows work day. I told one of my employees to make a new ramp for our equipment trailer.
He said sure, theres a nice oak plank thats perfect in the lean to.
2x8x10 white oak plank, not select but close to it since we don't want it to break when loading a machine.
Bought it with a bunch of black ash for my house.
$1.00 a board foot, dry, rough sawn.
The tree has a fungus and they give it injections around the base of the tree. $150
The tree has a fungus and they give it injections around the base of the tree. $150
The tree has a fungus and they give it injections around the base of the tree. $150
alteran
08-31-2004, 09:24 PM
Good luck! Well worth it if it saves the tree.
Did they say what the odds of survival are?
alteran
08-31-2004, 09:24 PM
Good luck! Well worth it if it saves the tree.
Did they say what the odds of survival are?
alteran
08-31-2004, 09:24 PM
Good luck! Well worth it if it saves the tree.
Did they say what the odds of survival are?
He said that the fungus is pretty common for oaks. He said the tree would live for a good long time even without treatment, but eventually it would die. He didnt say that the treatment would possibly not work. It sounds like its a sure thing, just sometimes it may take 2 or 3 treatments (one every fall for 2 - 3 years).
He said that the fungus is pretty common for oaks. He said the tree would live for a good long time even without treatment, but eventually it would die. He didnt say that the treatment would possibly not work. It sounds like its a sure thing, just sometimes it may take 2 or 3 treatments (one every fall for 2 - 3 years).
He said that the fungus is pretty common for oaks. He said the tree would live for a good long time even without treatment, but eventually it would die. He didnt say that the treatment would possibly not work. It sounds like its a sure thing, just sometimes it may take 2 or 3 treatments (one every fall for 2 - 3 years).
Bruce Hooke
09-05-2004, 06:11 PM
For the record, that tree is too small to have any saleable lumber in it (unless the guy is into wood turning!). Furthermore, no sawmill is going to mess with a yard tree without A LOT of pursuation (read more $ than anything other than a really special tree is worth as lumber) -- they almost always have nails somewhere in them. Except for really special trees like a BIG black walnut tree, single trees are rarely worth very much as a standing tree.
Some people, however, do seem to take the unfortunate attitude that yard trees are basically a nuscience and should be gotten rid of at the first sign of a problem. In cases like that I find it helpful to quote a statistic I came across a few years ago that a mature hardwood tree in good condition will usually add something like $10,000 to the value of a house. Now it's probably more because of the inflation in real estate prices.
As to why your white oak cost so much -- part of the reason my be where you shop, part of the reason may be the grade of wood you bought, and an important part of the reason may be that I don't think white oak is native to your area so it has to be hauled in from far away which costs a fair amount, especially for a relatively heavy and low-value (per pound compared to other loads) material like wood. Also, you will always pay a premium price for hardwoods trimmed to a specific width rather than buying random width stock. The reason is both the labor required to cut and joint the edges and the waste involved in doing so...
Bruce Hooke
09-05-2004, 06:11 PM
For the record, that tree is too small to have any saleable lumber in it (unless the guy is into wood turning!). Furthermore, no sawmill is going to mess with a yard tree without A LOT of pursuation (read more $ than anything other than a really special tree is worth as lumber) -- they almost always have nails somewhere in them. Except for really special trees like a BIG black walnut tree, single trees are rarely worth very much as a standing tree.
Some people, however, do seem to take the unfortunate attitude that yard trees are basically a nuscience and should be gotten rid of at the first sign of a problem. In cases like that I find it helpful to quote a statistic I came across a few years ago that a mature hardwood tree in good condition will usually add something like $10,000 to the value of a house. Now it's probably more because of the inflation in real estate prices.
As to why your white oak cost so much -- part of the reason my be where you shop, part of the reason may be the grade of wood you bought, and an important part of the reason may be that I don't think white oak is native to your area so it has to be hauled in from far away which costs a fair amount, especially for a relatively heavy and low-value (per pound compared to other loads) material like wood. Also, you will always pay a premium price for hardwoods trimmed to a specific width rather than buying random width stock. The reason is both the labor required to cut and joint the edges and the waste involved in doing so...
Bruce Hooke
09-05-2004, 06:11 PM
For the record, that tree is too small to have any saleable lumber in it (unless the guy is into wood turning!). Furthermore, no sawmill is going to mess with a yard tree without A LOT of pursuation (read more $ than anything other than a really special tree is worth as lumber) -- they almost always have nails somewhere in them. Except for really special trees like a BIG black walnut tree, single trees are rarely worth very much as a standing tree.
Some people, however, do seem to take the unfortunate attitude that yard trees are basically a nuscience and should be gotten rid of at the first sign of a problem. In cases like that I find it helpful to quote a statistic I came across a few years ago that a mature hardwood tree in good condition will usually add something like $10,000 to the value of a house. Now it's probably more because of the inflation in real estate prices.
As to why your white oak cost so much -- part of the reason my be where you shop, part of the reason may be the grade of wood you bought, and an important part of the reason may be that I don't think white oak is native to your area so it has to be hauled in from far away which costs a fair amount, especially for a relatively heavy and low-value (per pound compared to other loads) material like wood. Also, you will always pay a premium price for hardwoods trimmed to a specific width rather than buying random width stock. The reason is both the labor required to cut and joint the edges and the waste involved in doing so...
Actually that tree is a lot bigger than it looks in that picture, easily 5'-6' in diameter.
Actually that tree is a lot bigger than it looks in that picture, easily 5'-6' in diameter.
Actually that tree is a lot bigger than it looks in that picture, easily 5'-6' in diameter.
Bruce Trembly
09-11-2004, 08:38 PM
looks like a white oak in tree shape (growing in open). The white oak has smaller and less pointed leaves as already noted, and the acorns are small and rather flat, as opposed to the red oak acorns which look more like the "typical" acorns. Let a good tree surgeon lop off that partly dead limb and assess the tree for fungal disease. Keep it!
Bruce Trembly
09-11-2004, 08:38 PM
looks like a white oak in tree shape (growing in open). The white oak has smaller and less pointed leaves as already noted, and the acorns are small and rather flat, as opposed to the red oak acorns which look more like the "typical" acorns. Let a good tree surgeon lop off that partly dead limb and assess the tree for fungal disease. Keep it!
Bruce Trembly
09-11-2004, 08:38 PM
looks like a white oak in tree shape (growing in open). The white oak has smaller and less pointed leaves as already noted, and the acorns are small and rather flat, as opposed to the red oak acorns which look more like the "typical" acorns. Let a good tree surgeon lop off that partly dead limb and assess the tree for fungal disease. Keep it!
warthog5
09-12-2004, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by TimH:
Actually that tree is a lot bigger than it looks in that picture, easily 5'-6' in diameter.I would have throught it was about 18in by the oix.
warthog5
09-12-2004, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by TimH:
Actually that tree is a lot bigger than it looks in that picture, easily 5'-6' in diameter.I would have throught it was about 18in by the oix.
warthog5
09-12-2004, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by TimH:
Actually that tree is a lot bigger than it looks in that picture, easily 5'-6' in diameter.I would have throught it was about 18in by the oix.
Mrleft8
09-12-2004, 09:07 AM
If that tree is 5'-6' in diameter, then that's the biggest damn car ever built, in the driveway. Are you sure you don't mean 5'-6' in circumference? (Even that seems a bit unlikely...)
Mrleft8
09-12-2004, 09:07 AM
If that tree is 5'-6' in diameter, then that's the biggest damn car ever built, in the driveway. Are you sure you don't mean 5'-6' in circumference? (Even that seems a bit unlikely...)
Mrleft8
09-12-2004, 09:07 AM
If that tree is 5'-6' in diameter, then that's the biggest damn car ever built, in the driveway. Are you sure you don't mean 5'-6' in circumference? (Even that seems a bit unlikely...)
Bruce Hooke
09-12-2004, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by TimH:
Actually that tree is a lot bigger than it looks in that picture, easily 5'-6' in diameter.5 to 6 FEET in diameter!!! Something's not right here. From the picture it looks to me to be about 8 to 10 INCHES in diameter.
Bruce Hooke
09-12-2004, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by TimH:
Actually that tree is a lot bigger than it looks in that picture, easily 5'-6' in diameter.5 to 6 FEET in diameter!!! Something's not right here. From the picture it looks to me to be about 8 to 10 INCHES in diameter.
Bruce Hooke
09-12-2004, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by TimH:
Actually that tree is a lot bigger than it looks in that picture, easily 5'-6' in diameter.5 to 6 FEET in diameter!!! Something's not right here. From the picture it looks to me to be about 8 to 10 INCHES in diameter.
Well if I was there I would prove it, as for now you will just have to take my word for it. I know the picture looks weird. Thats a 1/2 acre yard you are looking at too. :confused:
Well if I was there I would prove it, as for now you will just have to take my word for it. I know the picture looks weird. Thats a 1/2 acre yard you are looking at too. :confused:
Well if I was there I would prove it, as for now you will just have to take my word for it. I know the picture looks weird. Thats a 1/2 acre yard you are looking at too. :confused:
Bruce Hooke
09-13-2004, 10:36 AM
If that tree is 5 to 6 FEET in DIAMETER then it scales out to about 140 feet tall or 20 feet taller than the tallest oak tree of any species on record in Ohio (from this web page (http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/forestry/Education/bigtrees/ohiolist.htm) for more details on how measurements are taken see here (http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/news/jun03/0612bigtrees.htm) -- I used Ohio just because it was the first web page I found with good, easy to scan details of some champion trees) . So, if these numbers are correct you could well be getting into the range of the largest example of the species currently in existance in the United States. The conservation organization American Forests maintains a register of champion trees and you could nominate this tree if it is in fact a "champion". For more information see this web page (http://www.americanforests.org/resources/bigtrees/) .
Bruce Hooke
09-13-2004, 10:36 AM
If that tree is 5 to 6 FEET in DIAMETER then it scales out to about 140 feet tall or 20 feet taller than the tallest oak tree of any species on record in Ohio (from this web page (http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/forestry/Education/bigtrees/ohiolist.htm) for more details on how measurements are taken see here (http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/news/jun03/0612bigtrees.htm) -- I used Ohio just because it was the first web page I found with good, easy to scan details of some champion trees) . So, if these numbers are correct you could well be getting into the range of the largest example of the species currently in existance in the United States. The conservation organization American Forests maintains a register of champion trees and you could nominate this tree if it is in fact a "champion". For more information see this web page (http://www.americanforests.org/resources/bigtrees/) .
Bruce Hooke
09-13-2004, 10:36 AM
If that tree is 5 to 6 FEET in DIAMETER then it scales out to about 140 feet tall or 20 feet taller than the tallest oak tree of any species on record in Ohio (from this web page (http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/forestry/Education/bigtrees/ohiolist.htm) for more details on how measurements are taken see here (http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/news/jun03/0612bigtrees.htm) -- I used Ohio just because it was the first web page I found with good, easy to scan details of some champion trees) . So, if these numbers are correct you could well be getting into the range of the largest example of the species currently in existance in the United States. The conservation organization American Forests maintains a register of champion trees and you could nominate this tree if it is in fact a "champion". For more information see this web page (http://www.americanforests.org/resources/bigtrees/) .
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