Brass Keel Protector?

[MICHAEL S]

My little shellback dinghy calls for a 1/2" half-oval brass keel skid (about 14' long). I have been calling all the "metals" listings in the denver phone book and the boat builders (very few of them - and all fiberglass)in the area, but no brass strips.

Any ideas?

Thanks, Michael

[MICHAEL S]

My little shellback dinghy calls for a 1/2" half-oval brass keel skid (about 14' long). I have been calling all the "metals" listings in the denver phone book and the boat builders (very few of them - and all fiberglass)in the area, but no brass strips.

Any ideas?

Thanks, Michael

[MICHAEL S]

My little shellback dinghy calls for a 1/2" half-oval brass keel skid (about 14' long). I have been calling all the "metals" listings in the denver phone book and the boat builders (very few of them - and all fiberglass)in the area, but no brass strips.

Any ideas?

Thanks, Michael

[Figment]

I bought a bunch of brass half-oval from Jamestown Distributors. My only hesitation is that I'm not sure they carry something as wide as 1/2". If not, give Roger Winiarski a call at Bristol Bronze. If he doesn't stock it he'll know who does.

[Figment]

I bought a bunch of brass half-oval from Jamestown Distributors. My only hesitation is that I'm not sure they carry something as wide as 1/2". If not, give Roger Winiarski a call at Bristol Bronze. If he doesn't stock it he'll know who does.

[Figment]

I bought a bunch of brass half-oval from Jamestown Distributors. My only hesitation is that I'm not sure they carry something as wide as 1/2". If not, give Roger Winiarski a call at Bristol Bronze. If he doesn't stock it he'll know who does.

[Railmeat]

Found one on page 9 at the following link.

Don

Tender craft price list (http://www.tendercraftboats.com/pricelist_can.pdf)

[ 03-11-2004, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: Railmeat ]

[Railmeat]

Found one on page 9 at the following link.

Don

Tender craft price list (http://www.tendercraftboats.com/pricelist_can.pdf)

[ 03-11-2004, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: Railmeat ]

[Railmeat]

Found one on page 9 at the following link.

Don

Tender craft price list (http://www.tendercraftboats.com/pricelist_can.pdf)

[ 03-11-2004, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: Railmeat ]

[Bruce Hooke]

Jamestown Distributors (http://www.jamestowndistributors.com) has what you need and, according to their catalog, they will roll 3/8" and 1/2" brass half-oval for shipment. The longest length they sell is 12' so you will not be able to get one 14' piece, but this is fairly typical and should not be a big issue. n.b. Jamestown Distributors' website seems to be down at the moment. I certainly hope it will be back up soon.

Another place that also carries it is Hamilton Marine (http://www.hamiltonmarine.com/)

[Bruce Hooke]

Jamestown Distributors (http://www.jamestowndistributors.com) has what you need and, according to their catalog, they will roll 3/8" and 1/2" brass half-oval for shipment. The longest length they sell is 12' so you will not be able to get one 14' piece, but this is fairly typical and should not be a big issue. n.b. Jamestown Distributors' website seems to be down at the moment. I certainly hope it will be back up soon.

Another place that also carries it is Hamilton Marine (http://www.hamiltonmarine.com/)

[Bruce Hooke]

Jamestown Distributors (http://www.jamestowndistributors.com) has what you need and, according to their catalog, they will roll 3/8" and 1/2" brass half-oval for shipment. The longest length they sell is 12' so you will not be able to get one 14' piece, but this is fairly typical and should not be a big issue. n.b. Jamestown Distributors' website seems to be down at the moment. I certainly hope it will be back up soon.

Another place that also carries it is Hamilton Marine (http://www.hamiltonmarine.com/)

[Venchka]

I got mine from Hamilton Marine.

[Venchka]

I got mine from Hamilton Marine.

[Venchka]

I got mine from Hamilton Marine.

[Alan D. Hyde]

Not bronze?

Why?

Alan

[Alan D. Hyde]

Not bronze?

Why?

Alan

[Alan D. Hyde]

Not bronze?

Why?

Alan

[JimConlin]

Brass is what's available. I've heard that half-oval is also available in 'statuary bronze' which is marginally stronger than the brass and twice the price. Being a non-marine product, it might be easier to find in Colorado.

The fall-back is brass from Jamestown, Sta-Fast or Hamilton.

[JimConlin]

Brass is what's available. I've heard that half-oval is also available in 'statuary bronze' which is marginally stronger than the brass and twice the price. Being a non-marine product, it might be easier to find in Colorado.

The fall-back is brass from Jamestown, Sta-Fast or Hamilton.

[JimConlin]

Brass is what's available. I've heard that half-oval is also available in 'statuary bronze' which is marginally stronger than the brass and twice the price. Being a non-marine product, it might be easier to find in Colorado.

The fall-back is brass from Jamestown, Sta-Fast or Hamilton.

[Bruce Hooke]

Originally posted by Alan D. Hyde:
Not bronze?

Why?

AlanMy guesses would be that bronze is not used because it's:
- More expensive
- Less available
- Not necessary
- Not traditional

Maybe because of it's size (relative to things like screws) and because it's not structural, I've never heard of problems with brass half-oval de-zincifying.

[Bruce Hooke]

Originally posted by Alan D. Hyde:
Not bronze?

Why?

AlanMy guesses would be that bronze is not used because it's:
- More expensive
- Less available
- Not necessary
- Not traditional

Maybe because of it's size (relative to things like screws) and because it's not structural, I've never heard of problems with brass half-oval de-zincifying.

[Bruce Hooke]

Originally posted by Alan D. Hyde:
Not bronze?

Why?

AlanMy guesses would be that bronze is not used because it's:
- More expensive
- Less available
- Not necessary
- Not traditional

Maybe because of it's size (relative to things like screws) and because it's not structural, I've never heard of problems with brass half-oval de-zincifying.

[MICHAEL S]

Thank You All,

Ouch! Expensive stuff. But just what I need.

The WoodenBoat Forum rules!

[MICHAEL S]

Thank You All,

Ouch! Expensive stuff. But just what I need.

The WoodenBoat Forum rules!

[MICHAEL S]

Thank You All,

Ouch! Expensive stuff. But just what I need.

The WoodenBoat Forum rules!

[On Vacation]

Most of the half oval comes without predrilled holes in it. We pilot bore the screw size, punching it to start with, which you will need to order also and then we use a metal countersink to bore the counter in it. Then we go back and open the hole up depending on the size or rails and the screw size. We use silicone bronze screws on the brass though, to make it easier to remove if needed. Most of the time repair or painting will require this.

[ 03-11-2004, 09:00 PM: Message edited by: Oyster ]

[On Vacation]

Most of the half oval comes without predrilled holes in it. We pilot bore the screw size, punching it to start with, which you will need to order also and then we use a metal countersink to bore the counter in it. Then we go back and open the hole up depending on the size or rails and the screw size. We use silicone bronze screws on the brass though, to make it easier to remove if needed. Most of the time repair or painting will require this.

[ 03-11-2004, 09:00 PM: Message edited by: Oyster ]

[On Vacation]

Most of the half oval comes without predrilled holes in it. We pilot bore the screw size, punching it to start with, which you will need to order also and then we use a metal countersink to bore the counter in it. Then we go back and open the hole up depending on the size or rails and the screw size. We use silicone bronze screws on the brass though, to make it easier to remove if needed. Most of the time repair or painting will require this.

[ 03-11-2004, 09:00 PM: Message edited by: Oyster ]

[BRU]

Just an extra thought - there is a half-oval and a half-round. The half round is a bit thicker and I use it on outwales for protection.

[BRU]

Just an extra thought - there is a half-oval and a half-round. The half round is a bit thicker and I use it on outwales for protection.

[BRU]

Just an extra thought - there is a half-oval and a half-round. The half round is a bit thicker and I use it on outwales for protection.

[Venchka]

Originally posted by MICHAEL S:
Thank You All,

Ouch! Expensive stuff. But just what I need.

The WoodenBoat Forum rules!Welcome to boat building! :D If you think the brass half oval is expensive, price the architecural bronze half oval. Then compliment yourself for saving all that money by buying the brass. I would also suggest a 6' piece of 3/8" to protect the board and rudder blade in the same order.

[ 03-12-2004, 03:05 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]

[Venchka]

Originally posted by MICHAEL S:
Thank You All,

Ouch! Expensive stuff. But just what I need.

The WoodenBoat Forum rules!Welcome to boat building! :D If you think the brass half oval is expensive, price the architecural bronze half oval. Then compliment yourself for saving all that money by buying the brass. I would also suggest a 6' piece of 3/8" to protect the board and rudder blade in the same order.

[ 03-12-2004, 03:05 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]

[Venchka]

Originally posted by MICHAEL S:
Thank You All,

Ouch! Expensive stuff. But just what I need.

The WoodenBoat Forum rules!Welcome to boat building! :D If you think the brass half oval is expensive, price the architecural bronze half oval. Then compliment yourself for saving all that money by buying the brass. I would also suggest a 6' piece of 3/8" to protect the board and rudder blade in the same order.

[ 03-12-2004, 03:05 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]

[Paul Scheuer]

price the architecural bronze half oval. Then compliment yourself for saving all that money First Class Hobby Logic :D .

[Paul Scheuer]

price the architecural bronze half oval. Then compliment yourself for saving all that money First Class Hobby Logic :D .

[Paul Scheuer]

price the architecural bronze half oval. Then compliment yourself for saving all that money First Class Hobby Logic :D .

[MICHAEL S]

Originally posted by Venchka:

QUOTE]Welcome to boat building! :D If you think the brass half oval is expensive, price the architecural bronze half oval. Then compliment yourself for saving all that money by buying the breass. I would also suggest a 6' piece of 3/8" to protect the board and rudder blade in the same order.[/QB]Venchka, The daggerboard and rudder are simply 1/2" plywood tapered to an 1/8" edge. I think I will just have to get used to repairing/replacing them as neccessary. Not too often, I hope. smile.gif

[MICHAEL S]

Originally posted by Venchka:

QUOTE]Welcome to boat building! :D If you think the brass half oval is expensive, price the architecural bronze half oval. Then compliment yourself for saving all that money by buying the breass. I would also suggest a 6' piece of 3/8" to protect the board and rudder blade in the same order.[/QB]Venchka, The daggerboard and rudder are simply 1/2" plywood tapered to an 1/8" edge. I think I will just have to get used to repairing/replacing them as neccessary. Not too often, I hope. smile.gif

[MICHAEL S]

Originally posted by Venchka:

QUOTE]Welcome to boat building! :D If you think the brass half oval is expensive, price the architecural bronze half oval. Then compliment yourself for saving all that money by buying the breass. I would also suggest a 6' piece of 3/8" to protect the board and rudder blade in the same order.[/QB]Venchka, The daggerboard and rudder are simply 1/2" plywood tapered to an 1/8" edge. I think I will just have to get used to repairing/replacing them as neccessary. Not too often, I hope. smile.gif

[Venchka]

No worries. My bad, not knowing the design. On your next, larger boat you can use a little brass on the lower, leading edges to protect from bumps and bruises! :D

[Venchka]

No worries. My bad, not knowing the design. On your next, larger boat you can use a little brass on the lower, leading edges to protect from bumps and bruises! :D

[Venchka]

No worries. My bad, not knowing the design. On your next, larger boat you can use a little brass on the lower, leading edges to protect from bumps and bruises! :D

[Meerkat]

Hmmm... on skinny rudders and centerboards, I wonder if you couldn't just epoxy a stainless rod to the leading edges? Maybe wrapped with a bit of fiberglass tape?

[Meerkat]

Hmmm... on skinny rudders and centerboards, I wonder if you couldn't just epoxy a stainless rod to the leading edges? Maybe wrapped with a bit of fiberglass tape?

[Meerkat]

Hmmm... on skinny rudders and centerboards, I wonder if you couldn't just epoxy a stainless rod to the leading edges? Maybe wrapped with a bit of fiberglass tape?

[JimConlin]

Expensive? About the same as 1 BF of teak.
You'll spend more than that in labor in applying it.

Meerkat- There are some kayak paddles whose edges are reinforced with epoxy-saturated 1/8" polyester cord. Might stay attached to an edge better than metal rod.

[JimConlin]

Expensive? About the same as 1 BF of teak.
You'll spend more than that in labor in applying it.

Meerkat- There are some kayak paddles whose edges are reinforced with epoxy-saturated 1/8" polyester cord. Might stay attached to an edge better than metal rod.

[JimConlin]

Expensive? About the same as 1 BF of teak.
You'll spend more than that in labor in applying it.

Meerkat- There are some kayak paddles whose edges are reinforced with epoxy-saturated 1/8" polyester cord. Might stay attached to an edge better than metal rod.

[Old Bingey]

Sorry to be so late with this but I have been fishing. I have used brass half round and half oval for many years in salt water with no problem. I don't know the formula for the brass but it is better stuff than most brass screws. There is one trick that I learned the hard way. Before you drill the holes in the keel, it is good to heat the whole strap a little bit with a heat gun (or the hot sun). A long strip of brass like on a keel will expand a little and, if it is cold when you fasten it, then heats up, it'll bump up a little between the fasteners. If it is hot when you put it on, it'll stretch out straight as it cools. The brass sold by Hamilton and Jamestown does not braze well at all but can be easily soldered and the dissimilar metals have caused no problem in regular small boat use. As an aside, epoxy does not stick to brass very well but 5200 does.

[Old Bingey]

Sorry to be so late with this but I have been fishing. I have used brass half round and half oval for many years in salt water with no problem. I don't know the formula for the brass but it is better stuff than most brass screws. There is one trick that I learned the hard way. Before you drill the holes in the keel, it is good to heat the whole strap a little bit with a heat gun (or the hot sun). A long strip of brass like on a keel will expand a little and, if it is cold when you fasten it, then heats up, it'll bump up a little between the fasteners. If it is hot when you put it on, it'll stretch out straight as it cools. The brass sold by Hamilton and Jamestown does not braze well at all but can be easily soldered and the dissimilar metals have caused no problem in regular small boat use. As an aside, epoxy does not stick to brass very well but 5200 does.

[Old Bingey]

Sorry to be so late with this but I have been fishing. I have used brass half round and half oval for many years in salt water with no problem. I don't know the formula for the brass but it is better stuff than most brass screws. There is one trick that I learned the hard way. Before you drill the holes in the keel, it is good to heat the whole strap a little bit with a heat gun (or the hot sun). A long strip of brass like on a keel will expand a little and, if it is cold when you fasten it, then heats up, it'll bump up a little between the fasteners. If it is hot when you put it on, it'll stretch out straight as it cools. The brass sold by Hamilton and Jamestown does not braze well at all but can be easily soldered and the dissimilar metals have caused no problem in regular small boat use. As an aside, epoxy does not stick to brass very well but 5200 does.

[traditional boat builder]

Hilmark boats Inc. has a good supply of brass keel strips and can ship them to you. Check out their web site at www.hilmarkboats.com