out-rigged oarlocks?

[Figment]

http://www.atlanticchallenge.com/P1310037.JPG

I spotted this photo of the whitehall recently launched by the Apprenticeshop.

Check out the oarlocks of the forward (and, less clearly, aft) rowing station.... Anyone know where I can get a set of those? A few extra inches would be a godsend at the forward station of my tender!

[Figment]

http://www.atlanticchallenge.com/P1310037.JPG

I spotted this photo of the whitehall recently launched by the Apprenticeshop.

Check out the oarlocks of the forward (and, less clearly, aft) rowing station.... Anyone know where I can get a set of those? A few extra inches would be a godsend at the forward station of my tender!

[Figment]

http://www.atlanticchallenge.com/P1310037.JPG

I spotted this photo of the whitehall recently launched by the Apprenticeshop.

Check out the oarlocks of the forward (and, less clearly, aft) rowing station.... Anyone know where I can get a set of those? A few extra inches would be a godsend at the forward station of my tender!

[ion barnes]

Saw some in Port Townsend, maybe try the Port Townsend Foundry.

[ion barnes]

Saw some in Port Townsend, maybe try the Port Townsend Foundry.

[ion barnes]

Saw some in Port Townsend, maybe try the Port Townsend Foundry.

[Ian McColgin]

They did that so's you could keep in sync with all the oars the same length.

If you go for a rig that's a little easier on the big boat's topsides, you'd need different length oars for each station.

If you decide to go this way, make wooden models and have them custom caste, since every boat would be different and this cannot be an off the shelf product.

Determine the length simply by ensuring that the pivot is the same distance from the boat's centerline as the pivot that's widest in the gunnel.

Personally, I like different oar lengths better but for every thing there is a purpose.

G'luck

[ 02-21-2004, 10:14 AM: Message edited by: Ian McColgin ]

[Ian McColgin]

They did that so's you could keep in sync with all the oars the same length.

If you go for a rig that's a little easier on the big boat's topsides, you'd need different length oars for each station.

If you decide to go this way, make wooden models and have them custom caste, since every boat would be different and this cannot be an off the shelf product.

Determine the length simply by ensuring that the pivot is the same distance from the boat's centerline as the pivot that's widest in the gunnel.

Personally, I like different oar lengths better but for every thing there is a purpose.

G'luck

[ 02-21-2004, 10:14 AM: Message edited by: Ian McColgin ]

[Ian McColgin]

They did that so's you could keep in sync with all the oars the same length.

If you go for a rig that's a little easier on the big boat's topsides, you'd need different length oars for each station.

If you decide to go this way, make wooden models and have them custom caste, since every boat would be different and this cannot be an off the shelf product.

Determine the length simply by ensuring that the pivot is the same distance from the boat's centerline as the pivot that's widest in the gunnel.

Personally, I like different oar lengths better but for every thing there is a purpose.

G'luck

[ 02-21-2004, 10:14 AM: Message edited by: Ian McColgin ]

[JimConlin]

Shaw & Tenney (http://www.shawandtenney.com)

[JimConlin]

Shaw & Tenney (http://www.shawandtenney.com)

[JimConlin]

Shaw & Tenney (http://www.shawandtenney.com)

[Ben Fuller]

Shaw and Tenny is indeed the source for these. Copies of ones that boatbuilders like Rushton supplied. The old ones actually were made by a company that did most of the hardware for the north country boats. They ain't cheap, but they never were. My recollection is that they were 5 bucks on a 100 dollar boat.

Motivation for these is rowing double where its good to have same length oars at both stations. The Boston ship chandlers whitehall balances with two up and no pax with rowers amidships and aft. If you have pax then forward stations. Note that we have stretchers in this boat.

[ 02-22-2004, 08:47 PM: Message edited by: Ben Fuller ]

[Ben Fuller]

Shaw and Tenny is indeed the source for these. Copies of ones that boatbuilders like Rushton supplied. The old ones actually were made by a company that did most of the hardware for the north country boats. They ain't cheap, but they never were. My recollection is that they were 5 bucks on a 100 dollar boat.

Motivation for these is rowing double where its good to have same length oars at both stations. The Boston ship chandlers whitehall balances with two up and no pax with rowers amidships and aft. If you have pax then forward stations. Note that we have stretchers in this boat.

[ 02-22-2004, 08:47 PM: Message edited by: Ben Fuller ]

[Ben Fuller]

Shaw and Tenny is indeed the source for these. Copies of ones that boatbuilders like Rushton supplied. The old ones actually were made by a company that did most of the hardware for the north country boats. They ain't cheap, but they never were. My recollection is that they were 5 bucks on a 100 dollar boat.

Motivation for these is rowing double where its good to have same length oars at both stations. The Boston ship chandlers whitehall balances with two up and no pax with rowers amidships and aft. If you have pax then forward stations. Note that we have stretchers in this boat.

[ 02-22-2004, 08:47 PM: Message edited by: Ben Fuller ]

[Bruce Hooke]

I am planning to put these outriggers in the boat I am building just to gain a bit more spread between the oarlocks and thus to be able to use longer oars. The beam on my boat is 40 1/2", which is, I think, on the narrow side for good rowing...

[Bruce Hooke]

I am planning to put these outriggers in the boat I am building just to gain a bit more spread between the oarlocks and thus to be able to use longer oars. The beam on my boat is 40 1/2", which is, I think, on the narrow side for good rowing...

[Bruce Hooke]

I am planning to put these outriggers in the boat I am building just to gain a bit more spread between the oarlocks and thus to be able to use longer oars. The beam on my boat is 40 1/2", which is, I think, on the narrow side for good rowing...

[Figment]

That's where I'm coming from too, Bruce. I think I have about a 42" spread at the rear 'locks, which works pretty well.
Up forward, however, the boat narrows down to probably something like 37", and if I'm rowing from that station it's because the dink is LOADED and the extra leverage would really come in handy.
Overlapping hands gets kinda clumsy in such tight quarters.

I share Ian's concern about marring the topsides, but by the look of those things, they unship from the gunwale just like normal oarlocks, no?

Jim, I didn't see any product listed on the Shaw & Tenney site. Was I looking in the wrong direction, or were you simply suggesting that they'd be a good contact toward the custom fabrication?

[Figment]

That's where I'm coming from too, Bruce. I think I have about a 42" spread at the rear 'locks, which works pretty well.
Up forward, however, the boat narrows down to probably something like 37", and if I'm rowing from that station it's because the dink is LOADED and the extra leverage would really come in handy.
Overlapping hands gets kinda clumsy in such tight quarters.

I share Ian's concern about marring the topsides, but by the look of those things, they unship from the gunwale just like normal oarlocks, no?

Jim, I didn't see any product listed on the Shaw & Tenney site. Was I looking in the wrong direction, or were you simply suggesting that they'd be a good contact toward the custom fabrication?

[Figment]

That's where I'm coming from too, Bruce. I think I have about a 42" spread at the rear 'locks, which works pretty well.
Up forward, however, the boat narrows down to probably something like 37", and if I'm rowing from that station it's because the dink is LOADED and the extra leverage would really come in handy.
Overlapping hands gets kinda clumsy in such tight quarters.

I share Ian's concern about marring the topsides, but by the look of those things, they unship from the gunwale just like normal oarlocks, no?

Jim, I didn't see any product listed on the Shaw & Tenney site. Was I looking in the wrong direction, or were you simply suggesting that they'd be a good contact toward the custom fabrication?

[Bruce Hooke]

Figment, they hinge in at the gunwale. Of course once you've hinged them in you can't row anymore.

They are made by Shaw and Tenny. I looked at them at the last WoodenBoat show at the Shaw and Tenny booth and I have a catalog from them that shows the outriggers. I just looked at the Shaw and Tenny website and there are a fair number of things that they do not list on their website so I would contact them and request a catalog. Just so that you are not blown out of the water, my recollection is that the outriggers run something like $150/pair.

[Bruce Hooke]

Figment, they hinge in at the gunwale. Of course once you've hinged them in you can't row anymore.

They are made by Shaw and Tenny. I looked at them at the last WoodenBoat show at the Shaw and Tenny booth and I have a catalog from them that shows the outriggers. I just looked at the Shaw and Tenny website and there are a fair number of things that they do not list on their website so I would contact them and request a catalog. Just so that you are not blown out of the water, my recollection is that the outriggers run something like $150/pair.

[Bruce Hooke]

Figment, they hinge in at the gunwale. Of course once you've hinged them in you can't row anymore.

They are made by Shaw and Tenny. I looked at them at the last WoodenBoat show at the Shaw and Tenny booth and I have a catalog from them that shows the outriggers. I just looked at the Shaw and Tenny website and there are a fair number of things that they do not list on their website so I would contact them and request a catalog. Just so that you are not blown out of the water, my recollection is that the outriggers run something like $150/pair.

[JimConlin]

If you want to see them up close and personal, I'm sure that "mister Shaw&Tenney", Paul Regan, will be exhibiting at the Maine Boatbuilders' Show 3/19-21. You might email him to make sure that he has some there..

[ 02-25-2004, 10:05 PM: Message edited by: JimConlin ]

[JimConlin]

If you want to see them up close and personal, I'm sure that "mister Shaw&Tenney", Paul Regan, will be exhibiting at the Maine Boatbuilders' Show 3/19-21. You might email him to make sure that he has some there..

[ 02-25-2004, 10:05 PM: Message edited by: JimConlin ]

[JimConlin]

If you want to see them up close and personal, I'm sure that "mister Shaw&Tenney", Paul Regan, will be exhibiting at the Maine Boatbuilders' Show 3/19-21. You might email him to make sure that he has some there..

[ 02-25-2004, 10:05 PM: Message edited by: JimConlin ]