PLY??? Buggar the flamin ply!!!... caution a rant

[Wild Dingo]

Okay so I figured after lookin at the thread about ply in the US that Id go have a gander at ply around here in Mandurah West Aussie... MATES!!! geeeeeeeeeeeehazusHkeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrist!!! :eek: I have decided after this excusion that...

I WILL NOT be buildin a ply boat!

Okay firstly Marine Ply
ready??? get yerself seated mates and hang on!

4mm = $98.80c... 105.90... 150.90... 165.99
6mm = $142.95c... 189.00... 220.00... 245.90
9mm = $179.80c... 240.00... 280.00... dont go there!
12mm = $229.90c... 270.00... dont bother with the other 2 prices!

THAT IS PER 2400 x 1200 SHEET!!

I AM NOT BUILDING A PLY BOAT!! damn I know I can get solid friggin timber for a damned site less!

For structural ply of which in the 4 hardware timber merchants I went to I wouldnt purchase it to light a fire with! This was absolute crap voids staring you in the eye knots rips in the surface plys with splinters everywhere... I mean this was crap... didnt make a stick of difference which store or timber mob I went to all they had was the same shite

7mm = 35.45... 60.99... 89.00... 90.00
9mm = 43.80... 75.00... 99.00... 110.00
12mm = 54.90... 90.00... 115.00... 130.00
17mm = 85.00... 105.00... 140.00... 189.00

Form Ply... with plastic coating
17mm = $102.90... 156.99... 199.99... 210.00

without coating

12mm = $105... 130... 170... 189.99

neither was available in any other size

someone remind me why ANYONE in their right mind would build a ply boat downunder!! that is just the ply dont get me started about the costs of epoxy and fibreglass around here! :mad:

A bloke would be better off just buyin a friggin boat! be bloody cheeper! :mad:

I am cool... I am cool... I am cool NO IM FLAMIN NOT!!! these prices are outragious!

[ 02-27-2005, 05:07 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Wild Dingo]

Okay so I figured after lookin at the thread about ply in the US that Id go have a gander at ply around here in Mandurah West Aussie... MATES!!! geeeeeeeeeeeehazusHkeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrist!!! :eek: I have decided after this excusion that...

I WILL NOT be buildin a ply boat!

Okay firstly Marine Ply
ready??? get yerself seated mates and hang on!

4mm = $98.80c... 105.90... 150.90... 165.99
6mm = $142.95c... 189.00... 220.00... 245.90
9mm = $179.80c... 240.00... 280.00... dont go there!
12mm = $229.90c... 270.00... dont bother with the other 2 prices!

THAT IS PER 2400 x 1200 SHEET!!

I AM NOT BUILDING A PLY BOAT!! damn I know I can get solid friggin timber for a damned site less!

For structural ply of which in the 4 hardware timber merchants I went to I wouldnt purchase it to light a fire with! This was absolute crap voids staring you in the eye knots rips in the surface plys with splinters everywhere... I mean this was crap... didnt make a stick of difference which store or timber mob I went to all they had was the same shite

7mm = 35.45... 60.99... 89.00... 90.00
9mm = 43.80... 75.00... 99.00... 110.00
12mm = 54.90... 90.00... 115.00... 130.00
17mm = 85.00... 105.00... 140.00... 189.00

Form Ply... with plastic coating
17mm = $102.90... 156.99... 199.99... 210.00

without coating

12mm = $105... 130... 170... 189.99

neither was available in any other size

someone remind me why ANYONE in their right mind would build a ply boat downunder!! that is just the ply dont get me started about the costs of epoxy and fibreglass around here! :mad:

A bloke would be better off just buyin a friggin boat! be bloody cheeper! :mad:

I am cool... I am cool... I am cool NO IM FLAMIN NOT!!! these prices are outragious!

[ 02-27-2005, 05:07 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Wild Dingo]

Okay so I figured after lookin at the thread about ply in the US that Id go have a gander at ply around here in Mandurah West Aussie... MATES!!! geeeeeeeeeeeehazusHkeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrist!!! :eek: I have decided after this excusion that...

I WILL NOT be buildin a ply boat!

Okay firstly Marine Ply
ready??? get yerself seated mates and hang on!

4mm = $98.80c... 105.90... 150.90... 165.99
6mm = $142.95c... 189.00... 220.00... 245.90
9mm = $179.80c... 240.00... 280.00... dont go there!
12mm = $229.90c... 270.00... dont bother with the other 2 prices!

THAT IS PER 2400 x 1200 SHEET!!

I AM NOT BUILDING A PLY BOAT!! damn I know I can get solid friggin timber for a damned site less!

For structural ply of which in the 4 hardware timber merchants I went to I wouldnt purchase it to light a fire with! This was absolute crap voids staring you in the eye knots rips in the surface plys with splinters everywhere... I mean this was crap... didnt make a stick of difference which store or timber mob I went to all they had was the same shite

7mm = 35.45... 60.99... 89.00... 90.00
9mm = 43.80... 75.00... 99.00... 110.00
12mm = 54.90... 90.00... 115.00... 130.00
17mm = 85.00... 105.00... 140.00... 189.00

Form Ply... with plastic coating
17mm = $102.90... 156.99... 199.99... 210.00

without coating

12mm = $105... 130... 170... 189.99

neither was available in any other size

someone remind me why ANYONE in their right mind would build a ply boat downunder!! that is just the ply dont get me started about the costs of epoxy and fibreglass around here! :mad:

A bloke would be better off just buyin a friggin boat! be bloody cheeper! :mad:

I am cool... I am cool... I am cool NO IM FLAMIN NOT!!! these prices are outragious!

[ 02-27-2005, 05:07 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Zumsel]

Shane, have you tried Pacific Maple BS1088 Standard from Boatcraft Pacific? And for West Epoxy made in Oz you should contact ATL or one of their Distributors (try Schionning Multihull for example). The last time I was in contact with these companies the price for ply and epoxy were nearly 50% lower then what I have to pay in Canada.

Jochen

[Zumsel]

Shane, have you tried Pacific Maple BS1088 Standard from Boatcraft Pacific? And for West Epoxy made in Oz you should contact ATL or one of their Distributors (try Schionning Multihull for example). The last time I was in contact with these companies the price for ply and epoxy were nearly 50% lower then what I have to pay in Canada.

Jochen

[Zumsel]

Shane, have you tried Pacific Maple BS1088 Standard from Boatcraft Pacific? And for West Epoxy made in Oz you should contact ATL or one of their Distributors (try Schionning Multihull for example). The last time I was in contact with these companies the price for ply and epoxy were nearly 50% lower then what I have to pay in Canada.

Jochen

[Wild Dingo]

Jochen I will be back onto boatcraft pacific tomorrow am to see what their prices are like nowadays... Im pretty sure last time I was in contact with them was a couple of years back so maybe its time to re-establish contact!

I just thought ah well do the "live local shop local" ease of access quick service help out the local bloke sorta thing etc etc well sorry local companies no bloody way!

I was just totally stunned at the prices! :eek:

It was comments like this from Dale R Hamilton on this thread (http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=002850) that got me started...

I just order 32 sheets Okoume ply from M.L. Condon in white plains NY. About $220 for shipping

32 sheets! thats the price of 1 bloody sheet no shipping!

then theres this one from Paul H on this thread (http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=002175) ...

I had Eden ship my order up as a pallet, shipping for 20 sheets of ply, 780# was $180,

20 sheets for $180!!!

Sure you gotta factor in the conversion rate but holey flamin eck blokes thats still 1 and a half sheets for the price of 20 - 32 sheets over there! :eek: :mad:

bloody hell mates thats incredible!!! man do I live in the wrong area of the world for this boatbuildin caper :rolleyes:

mmmm okay maybe I didnt read those two examples properly on reflection maybe theyre talkin about the cost of the shippin and not the ply itself... mmmm okay then I reserve my right to be utterly and thoroughly phissed off till someone tells me what they pay for the ply without shippin per bloody sheet

mantra time... Im cool... Im cool... Im cool...

[ 02-27-2005, 05:06 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Wild Dingo]

Jochen I will be back onto boatcraft pacific tomorrow am to see what their prices are like nowadays... Im pretty sure last time I was in contact with them was a couple of years back so maybe its time to re-establish contact!

I just thought ah well do the "live local shop local" ease of access quick service help out the local bloke sorta thing etc etc well sorry local companies no bloody way!

I was just totally stunned at the prices! :eek:

It was comments like this from Dale R Hamilton on this thread (http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=002850) that got me started...

I just order 32 sheets Okoume ply from M.L. Condon in white plains NY. About $220 for shipping

32 sheets! thats the price of 1 bloody sheet no shipping!

then theres this one from Paul H on this thread (http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=002175) ...

I had Eden ship my order up as a pallet, shipping for 20 sheets of ply, 780# was $180,

20 sheets for $180!!!

Sure you gotta factor in the conversion rate but holey flamin eck blokes thats still 1 and a half sheets for the price of 20 - 32 sheets over there! :eek: :mad:

bloody hell mates thats incredible!!! man do I live in the wrong area of the world for this boatbuildin caper :rolleyes:

mmmm okay maybe I didnt read those two examples properly on reflection maybe theyre talkin about the cost of the shippin and not the ply itself... mmmm okay then I reserve my right to be utterly and thoroughly phissed off till someone tells me what they pay for the ply without shippin per bloody sheet

mantra time... Im cool... Im cool... Im cool...

[ 02-27-2005, 05:06 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Wild Dingo]

Jochen I will be back onto boatcraft pacific tomorrow am to see what their prices are like nowadays... Im pretty sure last time I was in contact with them was a couple of years back so maybe its time to re-establish contact!

I just thought ah well do the "live local shop local" ease of access quick service help out the local bloke sorta thing etc etc well sorry local companies no bloody way!

I was just totally stunned at the prices! :eek:

It was comments like this from Dale R Hamilton on this thread (http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=002850) that got me started...

I just order 32 sheets Okoume ply from M.L. Condon in white plains NY. About $220 for shipping

32 sheets! thats the price of 1 bloody sheet no shipping!

then theres this one from Paul H on this thread (http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=002175) ...

I had Eden ship my order up as a pallet, shipping for 20 sheets of ply, 780# was $180,

20 sheets for $180!!!

Sure you gotta factor in the conversion rate but holey flamin eck blokes thats still 1 and a half sheets for the price of 20 - 32 sheets over there! :eek: :mad:

bloody hell mates thats incredible!!! man do I live in the wrong area of the world for this boatbuildin caper :rolleyes:

mmmm okay maybe I didnt read those two examples properly on reflection maybe theyre talkin about the cost of the shippin and not the ply itself... mmmm okay then I reserve my right to be utterly and thoroughly phissed off till someone tells me what they pay for the ply without shippin per bloody sheet

mantra time... Im cool... Im cool... Im cool...

[ 02-27-2005, 05:06 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Hwyl]

Shane, I think you've got the dog by the tail. That $220 that Dale was talking about is just for shipping.

Prices in the U.S. (for the time being) are about the same as you posted for the good stuff and a little cheaper for the junk.

Here's a link Harbor sales okoume prices (http://www.harborsales.net/lookups.cfm?cat=Nautical%20%2D%2D%20Marine%20Panel s#productview)

[Hwyl]

Shane, I think you've got the dog by the tail. That $220 that Dale was talking about is just for shipping.

Prices in the U.S. (for the time being) are about the same as you posted for the good stuff and a little cheaper for the junk.

Here's a link Harbor sales okoume prices (http://www.harborsales.net/lookups.cfm?cat=Nautical%20%2D%2D%20Marine%20Panel s#productview)

[Hwyl]

Shane, I think you've got the dog by the tail. That $220 that Dale was talking about is just for shipping.

Prices in the U.S. (for the time being) are about the same as you posted for the good stuff and a little cheaper for the junk.

Here's a link Harbor sales okoume prices (http://www.harborsales.net/lookups.cfm?cat=Nautical%20%2D%2D%20Marine%20Panel s#productview)

[T.A.R.]

http://us.f3.yahoofs.com/users/41c3c768z228e8228/7f2d/__sr_/d958.jpg?phAzbICBKyxL4a01

[T.A.R.]

http://us.f3.yahoofs.com/users/41c3c768z228e8228/7f2d/__sr_/d958.jpg?phAzbICBKyxL4a01

[T.A.R.]

http://us.f3.yahoofs.com/users/41c3c768z228e8228/7f2d/__sr_/d958.jpg?phAzbICBKyxL4a01

[T.A.R.]

I hope this will help sooth ya Dingo. Ply has gotten expensive here as well.

[T.A.R.]

I hope this will help sooth ya Dingo. Ply has gotten expensive here as well.

[T.A.R.]

I hope this will help sooth ya Dingo. Ply has gotten expensive here as well.

[Wild Dingo]

whew... gawd I was gettin to start to panic for a bit when it took yous fellas awhile to respond! ;)

Okay I will relax my ire seems I was off tack a tad... mmmm so there must be a droppin of off fellas an sheilas buildin ply boats with those prices eh? particularily anythin over 4 sheets as it would get pricey as al heck otherwise! :eek:

Me? I think I will go the other route now :rolleyes:

Love that figurehead mate! beautiful :cool:

[Wild Dingo]

whew... gawd I was gettin to start to panic for a bit when it took yous fellas awhile to respond! ;)

Okay I will relax my ire seems I was off tack a tad... mmmm so there must be a droppin of off fellas an sheilas buildin ply boats with those prices eh? particularily anythin over 4 sheets as it would get pricey as al heck otherwise! :eek:

Me? I think I will go the other route now :rolleyes:

Love that figurehead mate! beautiful :cool:

[Wild Dingo]

whew... gawd I was gettin to start to panic for a bit when it took yous fellas awhile to respond! ;)

Okay I will relax my ire seems I was off tack a tad... mmmm so there must be a droppin of off fellas an sheilas buildin ply boats with those prices eh? particularily anythin over 4 sheets as it would get pricey as al heck otherwise! :eek:

Me? I think I will go the other route now :rolleyes:

Love that figurehead mate! beautiful :cool:

[paladin]

Shane....Ibetcha that it's cheaper to order all you want from Thailand and ship by snail boat. it may take 3-4 months but it's cheeeep that way....

[paladin]

Shane....Ibetcha that it's cheaper to order all you want from Thailand and ship by snail boat. it may take 3-4 months but it's cheeeep that way....

[paladin]

Shane....Ibetcha that it's cheaper to order all you want from Thailand and ship by snail boat. it may take 3-4 months but it's cheeeep that way....

[Wild Dingo]

contacts Chuck mate contacts! ;)

[Wild Dingo]

contacts Chuck mate contacts! ;)

[Wild Dingo]

contacts Chuck mate contacts! ;)

[paladin]

google up raoul's Sailing...raoul Bianchetti at Chomburi, thailand....

why not fergit the dang plywood and just buy some Huon Pine somewhere and strip plank with Xynole over.......

[paladin]

google up raoul's Sailing...raoul Bianchetti at Chomburi, thailand....

why not fergit the dang plywood and just buy some Huon Pine somewhere and strip plank with Xynole over.......

[paladin]

google up raoul's Sailing...raoul Bianchetti at Chomburi, thailand....

why not fergit the dang plywood and just buy some Huon Pine somewhere and strip plank with Xynole over.......

[Wild Wassa]

Another big crime over here is the unavailability of the old marine plys now, like Coachwood and Aussie Red Cedar. These are the main plys on the old boats that I work on, along with some WRC marine ply. Again, which I can't find locally.

Hoop Pine marine ply is what it is says it is but there is Hoop Pine ply, being sold (around here and I dare say elsewhere in Oz) as a marine ply.

Dingo, bad luck about the prices over in the Wild West Mate. 'Marine Timbers' in Melboure are worth talking to. They are the distributors of BCP's marine ply in Melbourne and they also stock the flexible marine plys (with fine cut striations to allow easier bending and less torture, :eek: ).

All the best Dingo.

Warren.

[ 02-27-2005, 06:45 PM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[Wild Wassa]

Another big crime over here is the unavailability of the old marine plys now, like Coachwood and Aussie Red Cedar. These are the main plys on the old boats that I work on, along with some WRC marine ply. Again, which I can't find locally.

Hoop Pine marine ply is what it is says it is but there is Hoop Pine ply, being sold (around here and I dare say elsewhere in Oz) as a marine ply.

Dingo, bad luck about the prices over in the Wild West Mate. 'Marine Timbers' in Melboure are worth talking to. They are the distributors of BCP's marine ply in Melbourne and they also stock the flexible marine plys (with fine cut striations to allow easier bending and less torture, :eek: ).

All the best Dingo.

Warren.

[ 02-27-2005, 06:45 PM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[Wild Wassa]

Another big crime over here is the unavailability of the old marine plys now, like Coachwood and Aussie Red Cedar. These are the main plys on the old boats that I work on, along with some WRC marine ply. Again, which I can't find locally.

Hoop Pine marine ply is what it is says it is but there is Hoop Pine ply, being sold (around here and I dare say elsewhere in Oz) as a marine ply.

Dingo, bad luck about the prices over in the Wild West Mate. 'Marine Timbers' in Melboure are worth talking to. They are the distributors of BCP's marine ply in Melbourne and they also stock the flexible marine plys (with fine cut striations to allow easier bending and less torture, :eek: ).

All the best Dingo.

Warren.

[ 02-27-2005, 06:45 PM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[RonW]

Well Dingo, you are 100% correct.
Here 1/2 marine fir is about $64. a sheet or actually $4. a board foot. Okoume is from that price to half again that price, depending on which quality you choose.

Okoume may be pretty and light and is great for canoes, kayaks and little dingy's, but personally I think you would be crazy to build a boat that is over 1/2 ton in weight from stuff that has the rot resistance of wet toilet paper.

1/2 inch ply is a reasonable subsitute for 3/4 inch carvel or strip planking, but you have to have fore and aft stringers to support it. Meaning at $4 a board feet you could get lumber for maybe half that price and build a real wooden boat in the strip planked fashion.

A couple years ago another aussie that was a professional boat builder made the statement on this board,that he was building a 40 ft. sailboat. After researching ply, he decided against it, and did not want to go the epoxy cold molded route. He stated that a hull from welded aluminum was only a little bit more exspensive then a ply hull, but the aluminum hull had twice the retail value as did the ply hull. Right or wrong, fair or not that is just the way the public views plywood boats as to resale value.

You may not have plans to sell it, but wouldn't it be nice if you wanted to or (HAD TO0)sell, it would be a lot faster and easier sell for maybe twice the price.

Give more thought to strip planking. A more valuable boat that will probaly cost no more in materials, if not a lot cheaper and be worth a lot more, and with probably no more work.
The epoxy and stitch and tape crowd may dissagree, but wasn't there just discussion about the rising cost of epoxy, for those that don't mind working with it.

Gee I hope this starts a flame, discussions have been boring lately and winter is not over with yet.

[RonW]

Well Dingo, you are 100% correct.
Here 1/2 marine fir is about $64. a sheet or actually $4. a board foot. Okoume is from that price to half again that price, depending on which quality you choose.

Okoume may be pretty and light and is great for canoes, kayaks and little dingy's, but personally I think you would be crazy to build a boat that is over 1/2 ton in weight from stuff that has the rot resistance of wet toilet paper.

1/2 inch ply is a reasonable subsitute for 3/4 inch carvel or strip planking, but you have to have fore and aft stringers to support it. Meaning at $4 a board feet you could get lumber for maybe half that price and build a real wooden boat in the strip planked fashion.

A couple years ago another aussie that was a professional boat builder made the statement on this board,that he was building a 40 ft. sailboat. After researching ply, he decided against it, and did not want to go the epoxy cold molded route. He stated that a hull from welded aluminum was only a little bit more exspensive then a ply hull, but the aluminum hull had twice the retail value as did the ply hull. Right or wrong, fair or not that is just the way the public views plywood boats as to resale value.

You may not have plans to sell it, but wouldn't it be nice if you wanted to or (HAD TO0)sell, it would be a lot faster and easier sell for maybe twice the price.

Give more thought to strip planking. A more valuable boat that will probaly cost no more in materials, if not a lot cheaper and be worth a lot more, and with probably no more work.
The epoxy and stitch and tape crowd may dissagree, but wasn't there just discussion about the rising cost of epoxy, for those that don't mind working with it.

Gee I hope this starts a flame, discussions have been boring lately and winter is not over with yet.

[RonW]

Well Dingo, you are 100% correct.
Here 1/2 marine fir is about $64. a sheet or actually $4. a board foot. Okoume is from that price to half again that price, depending on which quality you choose.

Okoume may be pretty and light and is great for canoes, kayaks and little dingy's, but personally I think you would be crazy to build a boat that is over 1/2 ton in weight from stuff that has the rot resistance of wet toilet paper.

1/2 inch ply is a reasonable subsitute for 3/4 inch carvel or strip planking, but you have to have fore and aft stringers to support it. Meaning at $4 a board feet you could get lumber for maybe half that price and build a real wooden boat in the strip planked fashion.

A couple years ago another aussie that was a professional boat builder made the statement on this board,that he was building a 40 ft. sailboat. After researching ply, he decided against it, and did not want to go the epoxy cold molded route. He stated that a hull from welded aluminum was only a little bit more exspensive then a ply hull, but the aluminum hull had twice the retail value as did the ply hull. Right or wrong, fair or not that is just the way the public views plywood boats as to resale value.

You may not have plans to sell it, but wouldn't it be nice if you wanted to or (HAD TO0)sell, it would be a lot faster and easier sell for maybe twice the price.

Give more thought to strip planking. A more valuable boat that will probaly cost no more in materials, if not a lot cheaper and be worth a lot more, and with probably no more work.
The epoxy and stitch and tape crowd may dissagree, but wasn't there just discussion about the rising cost of epoxy, for those that don't mind working with it.

Gee I hope this starts a flame, discussions have been boring lately and winter is not over with yet.

[Bob Smalser]

Weren't too long ago when I was a kid in the '50's that plenty of old-time builders wouldn't use plywood in a doghouse, let alone one of their boats. My family were among them.

But the good wood became real scarce around that time and plywood took hold....along with the goo and plastic fabrics to help with its shortcomings.

As it evolved, it became a popular idea that plywood was easier and required less joinery skill for the amateur builder...that's as dead wrong as you can get, IMO, but the myth persists....and it added to its popularity.

Now fast forward to present, and sawmill technology has progressed and those old long-ignored, non-commercial tree species have matured to the point where there's no reason in many parts of the world where quality solid stock is available green and airdried for significantly less than the price of plywood and goo.

Why not just go "retro"?

[Bob Smalser]

Weren't too long ago when I was a kid in the '50's that plenty of old-time builders wouldn't use plywood in a doghouse, let alone one of their boats. My family were among them.

But the good wood became real scarce around that time and plywood took hold....along with the goo and plastic fabrics to help with its shortcomings.

As it evolved, it became a popular idea that plywood was easier and required less joinery skill for the amateur builder...that's as dead wrong as you can get, IMO, but the myth persists....and it added to its popularity.

Now fast forward to present, and sawmill technology has progressed and those old long-ignored, non-commercial tree species have matured to the point where there's no reason in many parts of the world where quality solid stock is available green and airdried for significantly less than the price of plywood and goo.

Why not just go "retro"?

[Bob Smalser]

Weren't too long ago when I was a kid in the '50's that plenty of old-time builders wouldn't use plywood in a doghouse, let alone one of their boats. My family were among them.

But the good wood became real scarce around that time and plywood took hold....along with the goo and plastic fabrics to help with its shortcomings.

As it evolved, it became a popular idea that plywood was easier and required less joinery skill for the amateur builder...that's as dead wrong as you can get, IMO, but the myth persists....and it added to its popularity.

Now fast forward to present, and sawmill technology has progressed and those old long-ignored, non-commercial tree species have matured to the point where there's no reason in many parts of the world where quality solid stock is available green and airdried for significantly less than the price of plywood and goo.

Why not just go "retro"?

[Wild Dingo]

It sure has made me rethink going the ply method! There is much to be said for building in solid timber

Thanks for the responses fellas appreciated :cool:

[Wild Dingo]

It sure has made me rethink going the ply method! There is much to be said for building in solid timber

Thanks for the responses fellas appreciated :cool:

[Wild Dingo]

It sure has made me rethink going the ply method! There is much to be said for building in solid timber

Thanks for the responses fellas appreciated :cool:

[paladin]

shane...have you decided what to build????......really?? it's always gonna cost more than what you think, but what is your time worth compared to materials....the cash is outlayed in bits and pieces.....just as fast as you work......so a gallon or two of epoxy a month and x amount of wood........just don't build something over your head.....or as my dad put it.."Don't try to eat anything bigger'n yourself"....

[paladin]

shane...have you decided what to build????......really?? it's always gonna cost more than what you think, but what is your time worth compared to materials....the cash is outlayed in bits and pieces.....just as fast as you work......so a gallon or two of epoxy a month and x amount of wood........just don't build something over your head.....or as my dad put it.."Don't try to eat anything bigger'n yourself"....

[paladin]

shane...have you decided what to build????......really?? it's always gonna cost more than what you think, but what is your time worth compared to materials....the cash is outlayed in bits and pieces.....just as fast as you work......so a gallon or two of epoxy a month and x amount of wood........just don't build something over your head.....or as my dad put it.."Don't try to eat anything bigger'n yourself"....

[kc8pql]

Originally posted by paladin:
it's always gonna cost more than what you think, .."Don't try to eat anything bigger'n yourself"....Very true. If you're building a fairly large boat, the hull material costs are just the tip of the iceberg. Five winches and an anchor windlass for my 38' boat cost more than the lumber for the hull.

[kc8pql]

Originally posted by paladin:
it's always gonna cost more than what you think, .."Don't try to eat anything bigger'n yourself"....Very true. If you're building a fairly large boat, the hull material costs are just the tip of the iceberg. Five winches and an anchor windlass for my 38' boat cost more than the lumber for the hull.

[kc8pql]

Originally posted by paladin:
it's always gonna cost more than what you think, .."Don't try to eat anything bigger'n yourself"....Very true. If you're building a fairly large boat, the hull material costs are just the tip of the iceberg. Five winches and an anchor windlass for my 38' boat cost more than the lumber for the hull.

[paladin]

the wood, epoxy and xynole in Tana Mari wuz about $14K......the engine etc wuz twice that......I won't even get into the rigging....the winches....or the outfitting........

[paladin]

the wood, epoxy and xynole in Tana Mari wuz about $14K......the engine etc wuz twice that......I won't even get into the rigging....the winches....or the outfitting........

[paladin]

the wood, epoxy and xynole in Tana Mari wuz about $14K......the engine etc wuz twice that......I won't even get into the rigging....the winches....or the outfitting........

[Mike Field]

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And if you are getting epoxy, get Bote-Cote, not that imported stuff -- better, and less expensive as well. (Bruce has it.)
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[Mike Field]

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And if you are getting epoxy, get Bote-Cote, not that imported stuff -- better, and less expensive as well. (Bruce has it.)
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[Mike Field]

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And if you are getting epoxy, get Bote-Cote, not that imported stuff -- better, and less expensive as well. (Bruce has it.)
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[Wild Dingo]

Thanks fellas

Chuck as yer pretty aware my mind keeps shifting but I keep trying to keep my options open on design materials etc...

Im coming closer to a decision I think based on many factors this being but one of them

The decision to check ply prices was based on a thought Ive had for several months of building a fishing boat for the bight... and so far most of the designs Ive found that I like have been ply

Now I am wondering if strip planking wont be a better option... I guess pretty much any boat could be strip planked but then one will have to do some sums to figure out the final thickness of the strips to adjust from ply the final choice of timber to use and so on... and mates I admit Im a bloody moron when it comes to sums :eek:

Its been an interesting journey this finding a design that suits my wants needs and other factors... but Im finally settling it.

Mike that would be Bruce McKonchie or something from Boatcraft pacific mob? I sent them an email several years ago regarding the pricing of materials for a Waller trailer cat and they were excellent so I will contact them again shortly.

Im going to do this so I will buy the timber ply epoxy caulking bolts etc before I start for the hull at least I am just built that way... get all the things needed lined up and in place then go for it... Ive seen peoples dreams destroyed simply cause of running out due to poor organizing the initial stages... running out of materials halfway through and getting a shock at the raised prices arguments and bickering within the family due to the boat being halfway done and not enough finance allowed for within budgets to finish even the first step... poor organization... so the hull materials must be purchased in total at the begining at least then I know I have everything I need to complete to that stage

I do realize that the cost of the hull materials is but a small part of the total cost... you fellas have made me well aware of that over the past years! but that hull material cost must be taken into consideration during the design decision making process... its the way I am... I will get the hull done then move to the next step get everything I need in place then do it... the old process of elimination theory

Traditional build Im still thinking through... I know it can be done but can it be done by yours truely is the question I have to seach out the answer to...

I probably have perhaps 2 more design purchases in my marriage before she castrates the gronicles from my personage :eek: so I must make them carefully hopefully I will purchase just one and that will be the one I build

Finally having many designs to choose from Dark Harbor, Fame and Grey Seal among them I am still not content that any of those I presently have is the one... for not one has when the plans are recieved been the one to "speak" to me... lucky for me now I have only a couple that do that Murray Petersons Susan is one of those that do so without having the plans in my hands so the choice is coming down to but a few... as I eliminate the others based on many factors... its been a slow somewhat erratic process with tangents coming and going but its coming together slow and steady... which is how I like to do things the old easy does it method.

As I say Im sourcing options and making decisions based on the findings of those options... this was a needed sourcing as the present choice had come down to this information

I have no doubt more questions to ask, rants to have and information to seek, coming here helps firm up and gather the information and clarity I require to make the final decision.

Again thanks fellas :cool:

[ 02-28-2005, 05:13 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Wild Dingo]

Thanks fellas

Chuck as yer pretty aware my mind keeps shifting but I keep trying to keep my options open on design materials etc...

Im coming closer to a decision I think based on many factors this being but one of them

The decision to check ply prices was based on a thought Ive had for several months of building a fishing boat for the bight... and so far most of the designs Ive found that I like have been ply

Now I am wondering if strip planking wont be a better option... I guess pretty much any boat could be strip planked but then one will have to do some sums to figure out the final thickness of the strips to adjust from ply the final choice of timber to use and so on... and mates I admit Im a bloody moron when it comes to sums :eek:

Its been an interesting journey this finding a design that suits my wants needs and other factors... but Im finally settling it.

Mike that would be Bruce McKonchie or something from Boatcraft pacific mob? I sent them an email several years ago regarding the pricing of materials for a Waller trailer cat and they were excellent so I will contact them again shortly.

Im going to do this so I will buy the timber ply epoxy caulking bolts etc before I start for the hull at least I am just built that way... get all the things needed lined up and in place then go for it... Ive seen peoples dreams destroyed simply cause of running out due to poor organizing the initial stages... running out of materials halfway through and getting a shock at the raised prices arguments and bickering within the family due to the boat being halfway done and not enough finance allowed for within budgets to finish even the first step... poor organization... so the hull materials must be purchased in total at the begining at least then I know I have everything I need to complete to that stage

I do realize that the cost of the hull materials is but a small part of the total cost... you fellas have made me well aware of that over the past years! but that hull material cost must be taken into consideration during the design decision making process... its the way I am... I will get the hull done then move to the next step get everything I need in place then do it... the old process of elimination theory

Traditional build Im still thinking through... I know it can be done but can it be done by yours truely is the question I have to seach out the answer to...

I probably have perhaps 2 more design purchases in my marriage before she castrates the gronicles from my personage :eek: so I must make them carefully hopefully I will purchase just one and that will be the one I build

Finally having many designs to choose from Dark Harbor, Fame and Grey Seal among them I am still not content that any of those I presently have is the one... for not one has when the plans are recieved been the one to "speak" to me... lucky for me now I have only a couple that do that Murray Petersons Susan is one of those that do so without having the plans in my hands so the choice is coming down to but a few... as I eliminate the others based on many factors... its been a slow somewhat erratic process with tangents coming and going but its coming together slow and steady... which is how I like to do things the old easy does it method.

As I say Im sourcing options and making decisions based on the findings of those options... this was a needed sourcing as the present choice had come down to this information

I have no doubt more questions to ask, rants to have and information to seek, coming here helps firm up and gather the information and clarity I require to make the final decision.

Again thanks fellas :cool:

[ 02-28-2005, 05:13 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Wild Dingo]

Thanks fellas

Chuck as yer pretty aware my mind keeps shifting but I keep trying to keep my options open on design materials etc...

Im coming closer to a decision I think based on many factors this being but one of them

The decision to check ply prices was based on a thought Ive had for several months of building a fishing boat for the bight... and so far most of the designs Ive found that I like have been ply

Now I am wondering if strip planking wont be a better option... I guess pretty much any boat could be strip planked but then one will have to do some sums to figure out the final thickness of the strips to adjust from ply the final choice of timber to use and so on... and mates I admit Im a bloody moron when it comes to sums :eek:

Its been an interesting journey this finding a design that suits my wants needs and other factors... but Im finally settling it.

Mike that would be Bruce McKonchie or something from Boatcraft pacific mob? I sent them an email several years ago regarding the pricing of materials for a Waller trailer cat and they were excellent so I will contact them again shortly.

Im going to do this so I will buy the timber ply epoxy caulking bolts etc before I start for the hull at least I am just built that way... get all the things needed lined up and in place then go for it... Ive seen peoples dreams destroyed simply cause of running out due to poor organizing the initial stages... running out of materials halfway through and getting a shock at the raised prices arguments and bickering within the family due to the boat being halfway done and not enough finance allowed for within budgets to finish even the first step... poor organization... so the hull materials must be purchased in total at the begining at least then I know I have everything I need to complete to that stage

I do realize that the cost of the hull materials is but a small part of the total cost... you fellas have made me well aware of that over the past years! but that hull material cost must be taken into consideration during the design decision making process... its the way I am... I will get the hull done then move to the next step get everything I need in place then do it... the old process of elimination theory

Traditional build Im still thinking through... I know it can be done but can it be done by yours truely is the question I have to seach out the answer to...

I probably have perhaps 2 more design purchases in my marriage before she castrates the gronicles from my personage :eek: so I must make them carefully hopefully I will purchase just one and that will be the one I build

Finally having many designs to choose from Dark Harbor, Fame and Grey Seal among them I am still not content that any of those I presently have is the one... for not one has when the plans are recieved been the one to "speak" to me... lucky for me now I have only a couple that do that Murray Petersons Susan is one of those that do so without having the plans in my hands so the choice is coming down to but a few... as I eliminate the others based on many factors... its been a slow somewhat erratic process with tangents coming and going but its coming together slow and steady... which is how I like to do things the old easy does it method.

As I say Im sourcing options and making decisions based on the findings of those options... this was a needed sourcing as the present choice had come down to this information

I have no doubt more questions to ask, rants to have and information to seek, coming here helps firm up and gather the information and clarity I require to make the final decision.

Again thanks fellas :cool:

[ 02-28-2005, 05:13 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Wooden Boat Fittings]

Originally posted by Wild Dingo:
Mike that would be Bruce McKonchie or something from Boatcraft pacific mob? Yep. (McConkey.) But check out if they have a WA agent these days, it might work out marginally cheaper.
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[Wooden Boat Fittings]

Originally posted by Wild Dingo:
Mike that would be Bruce McKonchie or something from Boatcraft pacific mob? Yep. (McConkey.) But check out if they have a WA agent these days, it might work out marginally cheaper.
.

[Wooden Boat Fittings]

Originally posted by Wild Dingo:
Mike that would be Bruce McKonchie or something from Boatcraft pacific mob? Yep. (McConkey.) But check out if they have a WA agent these days, it might work out marginally cheaper.
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