WoodenBoat Magazine CD

[nolesjfh]

I am interested in obtaining a copy of the Wooden Boat magazines on CD-Rom as a Christmas gift for my father. Does anyone know if these are still available? Please contact me if you can assist in my search.

Best Regards, Jim

[nolesjfh]

I am interested in obtaining a copy of the Wooden Boat magazines on CD-Rom as a Christmas gift for my father. Does anyone know if these are still available? Please contact me if you can assist in my search.

Best Regards, Jim

[nolesjfh]

I am interested in obtaining a copy of the Wooden Boat magazines on CD-Rom as a Christmas gift for my father. Does anyone know if these are still available? Please contact me if you can assist in my search.

Best Regards, Jim

[Ed Harrow]

Jim, you've struck out (along with more than a few others...).

[Ed Harrow]

Jim, you've struck out (along with more than a few others...).

[Ed Harrow]

Jim, you've struck out (along with more than a few others...).

[Steve Paskey]

Jim: Unfortunately, the CD is no longer available, and probably won't be produced again.

This has been much discussed in a couple of other threads. The bottom line is that one or more persons whose articles were included in the CD objected (and presumably threatened legal action) on grounds that they did not sell WB the right to distribute the article ELECTRONICALLY.

(There has been a similar battle between other publishers and other writers over the electronic distribution of articles, with the writers insisting that they should be paid additional money for the rights to electronic distribution. I think the New York Times was sued over this issue, and lost.)

A bloody shame about the CD, but there's likely nothing to be done about it.

[ 10-08-2003, 07:30 AM: Message edited by: Steve Paskey ]

[Steve Paskey]

Jim: Unfortunately, the CD is no longer available, and probably won't be produced again.

This has been much discussed in a couple of other threads. The bottom line is that one or more persons whose articles were included in the CD objected (and presumably threatened legal action) on grounds that they did not sell WB the right to distribute the article ELECTRONICALLY.

(There has been a similar battle between other publishers and other writers over the electronic distribution of articles, with the writers insisting that they should be paid additional money for the rights to electronic distribution. I think the New York Times was sued over this issue, and lost.)

A bloody shame about the CD, but there's likely nothing to be done about it.

[ 10-08-2003, 07:30 AM: Message edited by: Steve Paskey ]

[Steve Paskey]

Jim: Unfortunately, the CD is no longer available, and probably won't be produced again.

This has been much discussed in a couple of other threads. The bottom line is that one or more persons whose articles were included in the CD objected (and presumably threatened legal action) on grounds that they did not sell WB the right to distribute the article ELECTRONICALLY.

(There has been a similar battle between other publishers and other writers over the electronic distribution of articles, with the writers insisting that they should be paid additional money for the rights to electronic distribution. I think the New York Times was sued over this issue, and lost.)

A bloody shame about the CD, but there's likely nothing to be done about it.

[ 10-08-2003, 07:30 AM: Message edited by: Steve Paskey ]

[Figment]

Let's start collecting guesses....

When one of these things finally pops up on eBay, how much will it go for?

I'm guessing $500.

[Figment]

Let's start collecting guesses....

When one of these things finally pops up on eBay, how much will it go for?

I'm guessing $500.

[Figment]

Let's start collecting guesses....

When one of these things finally pops up on eBay, how much will it go for?

I'm guessing $500.

[Matt J.]

I wonder if copies would go for that much...?

(being illegal and all that, and the risk)

[ 10-08-2003, 08:46 AM: Message edited by: Matt Joyce ]

[Matt J.]

I wonder if copies would go for that much...?

(being illegal and all that, and the risk)

[ 10-08-2003, 08:46 AM: Message edited by: Matt Joyce ]

[Matt J.]

I wonder if copies would go for that much...?

(being illegal and all that, and the risk)

[ 10-08-2003, 08:46 AM: Message edited by: Matt Joyce ]

[Lion]

Guess I got lucky - picked up the last (only?) copy in Australia a month or so ago. Didn't really need it or afford it at the time but figured that it wiil be an exceptionally valuable reference tool in the future.

Presumably from a certain point in time WBM have ensured that materiel published by them in the mag (and elsewhere) is able to electronically distributed and a CD version effective from that date will be available.

Lion

[Lion]

Guess I got lucky - picked up the last (only?) copy in Australia a month or so ago. Didn't really need it or afford it at the time but figured that it wiil be an exceptionally valuable reference tool in the future.

Presumably from a certain point in time WBM have ensured that materiel published by them in the mag (and elsewhere) is able to electronically distributed and a CD version effective from that date will be available.

Lion

[Lion]

Guess I got lucky - picked up the last (only?) copy in Australia a month or so ago. Didn't really need it or afford it at the time but figured that it wiil be an exceptionally valuable reference tool in the future.

Presumably from a certain point in time WBM have ensured that materiel published by them in the mag (and elsewhere) is able to electronically distributed and a CD version effective from that date will be available.

Lion

[Peter Jacobs]

A set sold about a month ago on Ebay for $410

-Peter-

[ 10-08-2003, 10:56 PM: Message edited by: Peter Jacobs ]

[Peter Jacobs]

A set sold about a month ago on Ebay for $410

-Peter-

[ 10-08-2003, 10:56 PM: Message edited by: Peter Jacobs ]

[Peter Jacobs]

A set sold about a month ago on Ebay for $410

-Peter-

[ 10-08-2003, 10:56 PM: Message edited by: Peter Jacobs ]

[igatenby]

Who says a CD is electronic distribution? CDs use optical technology to read. Magazines use optical technology (eyes).

If someone lost a lawsuit on the basis of electronics - they didn't try hard enough.

Ian

[igatenby]

Who says a CD is electronic distribution? CDs use optical technology to read. Magazines use optical technology (eyes).

If someone lost a lawsuit on the basis of electronics - they didn't try hard enough.

Ian

[igatenby]

Who says a CD is electronic distribution? CDs use optical technology to read. Magazines use optical technology (eyes).

If someone lost a lawsuit on the basis of electronics - they didn't try hard enough.

Ian

[Steve Paskey]

I don't think there was a lawsuit, Ian. I presume that the mere threat of a lawsuit (and the resulting legal fees) scared off WB.

Don't know how it works in Australia, but in the U.S. both sides generally have to pay their own legal fees, regardless of who wins. (In England, they have a "loser pays" rule.)

As a result, even if WB thought they could win a lawsuit, they'd have to think about whether the victory would be worth spending thousands of dollars on legal fees.

[ 10-09-2003, 10:48 AM: Message edited by: Steve Paskey ]

[Steve Paskey]

I don't think there was a lawsuit, Ian. I presume that the mere threat of a lawsuit (and the resulting legal fees) scared off WB.

Don't know how it works in Australia, but in the U.S. both sides generally have to pay their own legal fees, regardless of who wins. (In England, they have a "loser pays" rule.)

As a result, even if WB thought they could win a lawsuit, they'd have to think about whether the victory would be worth spending thousands of dollars on legal fees.

[ 10-09-2003, 10:48 AM: Message edited by: Steve Paskey ]

[Steve Paskey]

I don't think there was a lawsuit, Ian. I presume that the mere threat of a lawsuit (and the resulting legal fees) scared off WB.

Don't know how it works in Australia, but in the U.S. both sides generally have to pay their own legal fees, regardless of who wins. (In England, they have a "loser pays" rule.)

As a result, even if WB thought they could win a lawsuit, they'd have to think about whether the victory would be worth spending thousands of dollars on legal fees.

[ 10-09-2003, 10:48 AM: Message edited by: Steve Paskey ]

[frameshop]

Imagine if we had the English system here. We would clear the courthouses, get rid of the frivolous lawsuits, and need 90% fewer lawyers!!!!!!!!

[ 10-09-2003, 02:53 PM: Message edited by: frameshop ]

[frameshop]

Imagine if we had the English system here. We would clear the courthouses, get rid of the frivolous lawsuits, and need 90% fewer lawyers!!!!!!!!

[ 10-09-2003, 02:53 PM: Message edited by: frameshop ]

[frameshop]

Imagine if we had the English system here. We would clear the courthouses, get rid of the frivolous lawsuits, and need 90% fewer lawyers!!!!!!!!

[ 10-09-2003, 02:53 PM: Message edited by: frameshop ]

[Frank Wentzel]

We don't "need" those lawyers. They are just a drag on our economy and society. Think of all the time wasted to "CYA" that could be put to productive use. Think of the worthwhile projects and programs that never get done because of fear of liability.

/// Frank ///

[Frank Wentzel]

We don't "need" those lawyers. They are just a drag on our economy and society. Think of all the time wasted to "CYA" that could be put to productive use. Think of the worthwhile projects and programs that never get done because of fear of liability.

/// Frank ///

[Frank Wentzel]

We don't "need" those lawyers. They are just a drag on our economy and society. Think of all the time wasted to "CYA" that could be put to productive use. Think of the worthwhile projects and programs that never get done because of fear of liability.

/// Frank ///

[seafox61]

it is very sad that the copywrite laws intended to held spread information widely as possable while assuring a just payment to the creators is being used to limit knowelege

I am writting to my senitors in the futial hope this problem wcan be solved .

seems to me that magazines have the right to reprint anthologies. ( Backwoods home magazine has a complete set of back anthologys. they seem to be able to do it economically I wonder why wooden boat hasn't/can't) but I see no functional difference weather the anthlogys are printed on paper or plastic
jeffery

[seafox61]

it is very sad that the copywrite laws intended to held spread information widely as possable while assuring a just payment to the creators is being used to limit knowelege

I am writting to my senitors in the futial hope this problem wcan be solved .

seems to me that magazines have the right to reprint anthologies. ( Backwoods home magazine has a complete set of back anthologys. they seem to be able to do it economically I wonder why wooden boat hasn't/can't) but I see no functional difference weather the anthlogys are printed on paper or plastic
jeffery

[seafox61]

it is very sad that the copywrite laws intended to held spread information widely as possable while assuring a just payment to the creators is being used to limit knowelege

I am writting to my senitors in the futial hope this problem wcan be solved .

seems to me that magazines have the right to reprint anthologies. ( Backwoods home magazine has a complete set of back anthologys. they seem to be able to do it economically I wonder why wooden boat hasn't/can't) but I see no functional difference weather the anthlogys are printed on paper or plastic
jeffery

[Concordia..41]

OK, here we go again...

Totally made up example:

Let's say back in 1950 I sold some pictures to National Geographic for $100, and let's say their readership was 10000 at .75 cents a copy. $100 is a big paycheck in 1950 and for that and bragging rights I'm happy.

Our society wasn't quite as litigation happy then so a contract (if any) might (or might not) have said they had the right to reprint/resell/reuse/destroy.

Well now it's 2003 and I see my pictures in an ad for their CD potentially selling hundreds of thousands of copies at $100+ a pop.

I personally would raise my hand and say, "Hey boys, your sales are over half a million, you need to ante up if you want to keep using my pictures." (unless of course I waived all future rights - which even if there were contracts wouldn't possibly of addressed mass reproduction via electronic media)

I don't know that it was ever established if our hosts actually had problems (certainly not on the scale of National Geographic - who was dealing with reproducing media going back to what, the 20's?), or if they just said maybe this isn't a good idea.

Also, many of the suits were brought by the heirs of the original writers and photographers.

So what do you do? If you have any kind of intellectual property, you try to think 50 or 100 years ahead before you sign a contract - good luck!

If you're a publisher or similar, you spend big bucks to get your attorneys to draw up contracts that will stand up 50 or 100 years from now - good luck!

Who could of forseen it? No one
Who wins? - No one

[Concordia..41]

OK, here we go again...

Totally made up example:

Let's say back in 1950 I sold some pictures to National Geographic for $100, and let's say their readership was 10000 at .75 cents a copy. $100 is a big paycheck in 1950 and for that and bragging rights I'm happy.

Our society wasn't quite as litigation happy then so a contract (if any) might (or might not) have said they had the right to reprint/resell/reuse/destroy.

Well now it's 2003 and I see my pictures in an ad for their CD potentially selling hundreds of thousands of copies at $100+ a pop.

I personally would raise my hand and say, "Hey boys, your sales are over half a million, you need to ante up if you want to keep using my pictures." (unless of course I waived all future rights - which even if there were contracts wouldn't possibly of addressed mass reproduction via electronic media)

I don't know that it was ever established if our hosts actually had problems (certainly not on the scale of National Geographic - who was dealing with reproducing media going back to what, the 20's?), or if they just said maybe this isn't a good idea.

Also, many of the suits were brought by the heirs of the original writers and photographers.

So what do you do? If you have any kind of intellectual property, you try to think 50 or 100 years ahead before you sign a contract - good luck!

If you're a publisher or similar, you spend big bucks to get your attorneys to draw up contracts that will stand up 50 or 100 years from now - good luck!

Who could of forseen it? No one
Who wins? - No one

[Concordia..41]

OK, here we go again...

Totally made up example:

Let's say back in 1950 I sold some pictures to National Geographic for $100, and let's say their readership was 10000 at .75 cents a copy. $100 is a big paycheck in 1950 and for that and bragging rights I'm happy.

Our society wasn't quite as litigation happy then so a contract (if any) might (or might not) have said they had the right to reprint/resell/reuse/destroy.

Well now it's 2003 and I see my pictures in an ad for their CD potentially selling hundreds of thousands of copies at $100+ a pop.

I personally would raise my hand and say, "Hey boys, your sales are over half a million, you need to ante up if you want to keep using my pictures." (unless of course I waived all future rights - which even if there were contracts wouldn't possibly of addressed mass reproduction via electronic media)

I don't know that it was ever established if our hosts actually had problems (certainly not on the scale of National Geographic - who was dealing with reproducing media going back to what, the 20's?), or if they just said maybe this isn't a good idea.

Also, many of the suits were brought by the heirs of the original writers and photographers.

So what do you do? If you have any kind of intellectual property, you try to think 50 or 100 years ahead before you sign a contract - good luck!

If you're a publisher or similar, you spend big bucks to get your attorneys to draw up contracts that will stand up 50 or 100 years from now - good luck!

Who could of forseen it? No one
Who wins? - No one

[igatenby]

My great grandmother was a Bronte - would all of you who have read Wuthering Heights please send me a dollar or I will sue you!

Just as silly as trying to get paid twice for the same sale of an article, photo, etc.

If I do a job for a client and I haven't specifically precluded them doing something with it - my problem, not theirs, eh?

Ian

[igatenby]

My great grandmother was a Bronte - would all of you who have read Wuthering Heights please send me a dollar or I will sue you!

Just as silly as trying to get paid twice for the same sale of an article, photo, etc.

If I do a job for a client and I haven't specifically precluded them doing something with it - my problem, not theirs, eh?

Ian

[igatenby]

My great grandmother was a Bronte - would all of you who have read Wuthering Heights please send me a dollar or I will sue you!

Just as silly as trying to get paid twice for the same sale of an article, photo, etc.

If I do a job for a client and I haven't specifically precluded them doing something with it - my problem, not theirs, eh?

Ian