Stanley experts?

[Hughman]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid136/pd5716b248273c33cf827f1b1b65fdb00/f75a5183.jpg

Three different versions of #78

Top one reads "no 78 Made in USA"
Middle, "US Pat 6-7-10"
Bottom has an "S". It's broken, has a lighter casting.

What is the history of these 1-1/2" rabbet planes
Are the fences, blades, etc available for these?

[ 08-20-2004, 12:10 AM: Message edited by: Hughman ]

[Hughman]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid136/pd5716b248273c33cf827f1b1b65fdb00/f75a5183.jpg

Three different versions of #78

Top one reads "no 78 Made in USA"
Middle, "US Pat 6-7-10"
Bottom has an "S". It's broken, has a lighter casting.

What is the history of these 1-1/2" rabbet planes
Are the fences, blades, etc available for these?

[ 08-20-2004, 12:10 AM: Message edited by: Hughman ]

[Hughman]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid136/pd5716b248273c33cf827f1b1b65fdb00/f75a5183.jpg

Three different versions of #78

Top one reads "no 78 Made in USA"
Middle, "US Pat 6-7-10"
Bottom has an "S". It's broken, has a lighter casting.

What is the history of these 1-1/2" rabbet planes
Are the fences, blades, etc available for these?

[ 08-20-2004, 12:10 AM: Message edited by: Hughman ]

[TimH]

like this?

http://students.washington.edu/hoehnt/plane.jpg

[TimH]

like this?

http://students.washington.edu/hoehnt/plane.jpg

[TimH]

like this?

http://students.washington.edu/hoehnt/plane.jpg

[Dave Fleming]

Stanley #78 Duplex Fillester and Rabbet Plane.

2 seats for cutter, a spur and removable depth gauge, adjustable fence that slides underneath the body to regulate depth of cut.

Bottom unit looks like a #39 called a Dado Plane.

But I don't think it is. For it has 2 cutter positions one for regular work and one for bullnose. Hmmm?

[ 08-20-2004, 01:59 AM: Message edited by: Dave Fleming ]

[Dave Fleming]

Stanley #78 Duplex Fillester and Rabbet Plane.

2 seats for cutter, a spur and removable depth gauge, adjustable fence that slides underneath the body to regulate depth of cut.

Bottom unit looks like a #39 called a Dado Plane.

But I don't think it is. For it has 2 cutter positions one for regular work and one for bullnose. Hmmm?

[ 08-20-2004, 01:59 AM: Message edited by: Dave Fleming ]

[Dave Fleming]

Stanley #78 Duplex Fillester and Rabbet Plane.

2 seats for cutter, a spur and removable depth gauge, adjustable fence that slides underneath the body to regulate depth of cut.

Bottom unit looks like a #39 called a Dado Plane.

But I don't think it is. For it has 2 cutter positions one for regular work and one for bullnose. Hmmm?

[ 08-20-2004, 01:59 AM: Message edited by: Dave Fleming ]

[Hughman]

Dave, let me edit: All of these have #78 on the outside face, the above markings are inside the body.

[Hughman]

Dave, let me edit: All of these have #78 on the outside face, the above markings are inside the body.

[Hughman]

Dave, let me edit: All of these have #78 on the outside face, the above markings are inside the body.

[Dave Fleming]

Stanley made so many tools over the years that I personally have no idea how many different ones were made.

The bottom one, if for no other reason than the casting features looks older in design, might be an early iteration of the type.

If you Google Stanley and Old Tools you should come up with a number of sites that can help you date the tool.

[Dave Fleming]

Stanley made so many tools over the years that I personally have no idea how many different ones were made.

The bottom one, if for no other reason than the casting features looks older in design, might be an early iteration of the type.

If you Google Stanley and Old Tools you should come up with a number of sites that can help you date the tool.

[Dave Fleming]

Stanley made so many tools over the years that I personally have no idea how many different ones were made.

The bottom one, if for no other reason than the casting features looks older in design, might be an early iteration of the type.

If you Google Stanley and Old Tools you should come up with a number of sites that can help you date the tool.

[Hughman]

I cleaned up the #12 to shave the saw marks out of some well seasoned "figured" cherry.

It makes short work of the wavy surface, but has a tendency to chatter. I think I need to go to a card scraper. :cool:

This wood changes grain every 4", so it's a challenge to shape, but these same characteristics add a lot to the appeal. I never saw cherry with "lights", somewhat like Q-sawn oak.

[Hughman]

I cleaned up the #12 to shave the saw marks out of some well seasoned "figured" cherry.

It makes short work of the wavy surface, but has a tendency to chatter. I think I need to go to a card scraper. :cool:

This wood changes grain every 4", so it's a challenge to shape, but these same characteristics add a lot to the appeal. I never saw cherry with "lights", somewhat like Q-sawn oak.

[Hughman]

I cleaned up the #12 to shave the saw marks out of some well seasoned "figured" cherry.

It makes short work of the wavy surface, but has a tendency to chatter. I think I need to go to a card scraper. :cool:

This wood changes grain every 4", so it's a challenge to shape, but these same characteristics add a lot to the appeal. I never saw cherry with "lights", somewhat like Q-sawn oak.

[Dave Fleming]

Check out that FWW article. No matter whether you are using a hand scraper or one of the Stanley #12 series the blade has to be sharp and for some woods you have to constantly change your angle of attack/stroke because of wavy grain but properly set both hand and Stanley scrapers should work well on that Cherry.

[Dave Fleming]

Check out that FWW article. No matter whether you are using a hand scraper or one of the Stanley #12 series the blade has to be sharp and for some woods you have to constantly change your angle of attack/stroke because of wavy grain but properly set both hand and Stanley scrapers should work well on that Cherry.

[Dave Fleming]

Check out that FWW article. No matter whether you are using a hand scraper or one of the Stanley #12 series the blade has to be sharp and for some woods you have to constantly change your angle of attack/stroke because of wavy grain but properly set both hand and Stanley scrapers should work well on that Cherry.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

What is the history of these 1-1/2" rabbet planes
Are the fences, blades, etc available for these?
I am of course no expert, I'm a beginner, but I think you will find that Record still make their 778 which is a "closely related" (let's not use the word "copy"!) plane. The fence will not fit, because the 778 has a two rod fence (actually a much better design) but I am pretty sure that the blades will fit just fine.

The Record 778 is itself a descendant of the Woden W78. Woden were an English company which made vices, clamps, etc (usually very nice ones)and which suddenly came up with a line of Stanley-type planes in the 1950's, using the letter "W" ahead of the Stanley numbering. Woden were an innovative bunch (they made what I still reckon is the best bench vice) and tended to improve a tool rather than just copy it. The W78 has a two rod fence and a forward knob, but the knob is secured on the forward cutter bed, so it is one more thing to undo if you want to use the bullnose position...

Woden were bought by Record, in 1964 I think, and Record took over the W78 which lost the knob and became the 778.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

What is the history of these 1-1/2" rabbet planes
Are the fences, blades, etc available for these?
I am of course no expert, I'm a beginner, but I think you will find that Record still make their 778 which is a "closely related" (let's not use the word "copy"!) plane. The fence will not fit, because the 778 has a two rod fence (actually a much better design) but I am pretty sure that the blades will fit just fine.

The Record 778 is itself a descendant of the Woden W78. Woden were an English company which made vices, clamps, etc (usually very nice ones)and which suddenly came up with a line of Stanley-type planes in the 1950's, using the letter "W" ahead of the Stanley numbering. Woden were an innovative bunch (they made what I still reckon is the best bench vice) and tended to improve a tool rather than just copy it. The W78 has a two rod fence and a forward knob, but the knob is secured on the forward cutter bed, so it is one more thing to undo if you want to use the bullnose position...

Woden were bought by Record, in 1964 I think, and Record took over the W78 which lost the knob and became the 778.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

What is the history of these 1-1/2" rabbet planes
Are the fences, blades, etc available for these?
I am of course no expert, I'm a beginner, but I think you will find that Record still make their 778 which is a "closely related" (let's not use the word "copy"!) plane. The fence will not fit, because the 778 has a two rod fence (actually a much better design) but I am pretty sure that the blades will fit just fine.

The Record 778 is itself a descendant of the Woden W78. Woden were an English company which made vices, clamps, etc (usually very nice ones)and which suddenly came up with a line of Stanley-type planes in the 1950's, using the letter "W" ahead of the Stanley numbering. Woden were an innovative bunch (they made what I still reckon is the best bench vice) and tended to improve a tool rather than just copy it. The W78 has a two rod fence and a forward knob, but the knob is secured on the forward cutter bed, so it is one more thing to undo if you want to use the bullnose position...

Woden were bought by Record, in 1964 I think, and Record took over the W78 which lost the knob and became the 778.

[TimH]

Originally posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> What is the history of these 1-1/2" rabbet planes
Are the fences, blades, etc available for these?
Woden were an innovative bunch (they made what I still reckon is the best bench vice)
</font>[/QUOTE]better than those Emmert pattern makers vises?
http://www.shavings.net/images/emmert_1.jpg
http://www.shavings.net/images/emmert_2.jpg
Emmert "Universal" Vice (http://www.shavings.net/EMMERT.HTM)

[ 08-24-2004, 03:02 PM: Message edited by: TimH ]

[TimH]

Originally posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> What is the history of these 1-1/2" rabbet planes
Are the fences, blades, etc available for these?
Woden were an innovative bunch (they made what I still reckon is the best bench vice)
</font>[/QUOTE]better than those Emmert pattern makers vises?
http://www.shavings.net/images/emmert_1.jpg
http://www.shavings.net/images/emmert_2.jpg
Emmert "Universal" Vice (http://www.shavings.net/EMMERT.HTM)

[ 08-24-2004, 03:02 PM: Message edited by: TimH ]

[TimH]

Originally posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> What is the history of these 1-1/2" rabbet planes
Are the fences, blades, etc available for these?
Woden were an innovative bunch (they made what I still reckon is the best bench vice)
</font>[/QUOTE]better than those Emmert pattern makers vises?
http://www.shavings.net/images/emmert_1.jpg
http://www.shavings.net/images/emmert_2.jpg
Emmert "Universal" Vice (http://www.shavings.net/EMMERT.HTM)

[ 08-24-2004, 03:02 PM: Message edited by: TimH ]

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

No, not a pattern maker's vice which is a specialised tool. What I like about the Woden woodworking bench vice is the quick release device, which operates reliably under load; it speeds work up a lot.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

No, not a pattern maker's vice which is a specialised tool. What I like about the Woden woodworking bench vice is the quick release device, which operates reliably under load; it speeds work up a lot.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

No, not a pattern maker's vice which is a specialised tool. What I like about the Woden woodworking bench vice is the quick release device, which operates reliably under load; it speeds work up a lot.

[Dave Fleming]

Record alas is no more....at least in Great Britain.

The company was sold to 'murican interests who promptly shut it down sold off the facillities, and are moving the patterns, jigs etc., to (pause), ayup you guessed it, the far east.

Those fine rapid acting Record vices are gone. If you are looking for one best to contact any tool source you can think of and see if they have any left.

I am not sure but I think Marples was part of that deal too.

[ 08-24-2004, 01:15 PM: Message edited by: Dave Fleming ]

[Dave Fleming]

Record alas is no more....at least in Great Britain.

The company was sold to 'murican interests who promptly shut it down sold off the facillities, and are moving the patterns, jigs etc., to (pause), ayup you guessed it, the far east.

Those fine rapid acting Record vices are gone. If you are looking for one best to contact any tool source you can think of and see if they have any left.

I am not sure but I think Marples was part of that deal too.

[ 08-24-2004, 01:15 PM: Message edited by: Dave Fleming ]

[Dave Fleming]

Record alas is no more....at least in Great Britain.

The company was sold to 'murican interests who promptly shut it down sold off the facillities, and are moving the patterns, jigs etc., to (pause), ayup you guessed it, the far east.

Those fine rapid acting Record vices are gone. If you are looking for one best to contact any tool source you can think of and see if they have any left.

I am not sure but I think Marples was part of that deal too.

[ 08-24-2004, 01:15 PM: Message edited by: Dave Fleming ]

[Dave Fleming]

ACB, the EMMERT vice may have been designed with Wood Pattern Makers in mind but, it has been used by a variety of wood workers almost since it's inception.

A brief Google search will show an early brochure touting its uses in many wood working areas.
Most yards had at least one, jealously guarded by the millman against misuse.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid136/p30b54c0b5125e650a36ae0bd6213c2b8/f74d7bd2.jpg

[Dave Fleming]

ACB, the EMMERT vice may have been designed with Wood Pattern Makers in mind but, it has been used by a variety of wood workers almost since it's inception.

A brief Google search will show an early brochure touting its uses in many wood working areas.
Most yards had at least one, jealously guarded by the millman against misuse.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid136/p30b54c0b5125e650a36ae0bd6213c2b8/f74d7bd2.jpg

[Dave Fleming]

ACB, the EMMERT vice may have been designed with Wood Pattern Makers in mind but, it has been used by a variety of wood workers almost since it's inception.

A brief Google search will show an early brochure touting its uses in many wood working areas.
Most yards had at least one, jealously guarded by the millman against misuse.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid136/p30b54c0b5125e650a36ae0bd6213c2b8/f74d7bd2.jpg

[TimH]

I found one on the net for $700 :eek: :eek:
and Marples is now owned by Irwin...

old forum thread about Emmert vise (http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002328&p=)

[ 08-24-2004, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: TimH ]

[TimH]

I found one on the net for $700 :eek: :eek:
and Marples is now owned by Irwin...

old forum thread about Emmert vise (http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002328&p=)

[ 08-24-2004, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: TimH ]

[TimH]

I found one on the net for $700 :eek: :eek:
and Marples is now owned by Irwin...

old forum thread about Emmert vise (http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002328&p=)

[ 08-24-2004, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: TimH ]

[Dave Fleming]

Marples is now owned by Irwin...
IIRC...
Irwin is owned by Rubbermaid who owns Record too.

[Dave Fleming]

Marples is now owned by Irwin...
IIRC...
Irwin is owned by Rubbermaid who owns Record too.

[Dave Fleming]

Marples is now owned by Irwin...
IIRC...
Irwin is owned by Rubbermaid who owns Record too.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

No more Record...no more Marples...

Well, there's the end of an old song.

That's pretty much the end of the British hand tool industry, so far as the "mainstream consumer" is concerned.

But is it also a beginning?

Luckily we do still have Clico (Clifton planes, etc.) a proper Sheffield engineering firm who have entered the business from precision engineering, and we have Robert Sorby and Ashley Iles making chisels and Thomas Flinn making proper saws, all Sheffield firms.

However, these are small businesses making for a niche market which will pay high prices. We don't export to the world any more.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

No more Record...no more Marples...

Well, there's the end of an old song.

That's pretty much the end of the British hand tool industry, so far as the "mainstream consumer" is concerned.

But is it also a beginning?

Luckily we do still have Clico (Clifton planes, etc.) a proper Sheffield engineering firm who have entered the business from precision engineering, and we have Robert Sorby and Ashley Iles making chisels and Thomas Flinn making proper saws, all Sheffield firms.

However, these are small businesses making for a niche market which will pay high prices. We don't export to the world any more.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

No more Record...no more Marples...

Well, there's the end of an old song.

That's pretty much the end of the British hand tool industry, so far as the "mainstream consumer" is concerned.

But is it also a beginning?

Luckily we do still have Clico (Clifton planes, etc.) a proper Sheffield engineering firm who have entered the business from precision engineering, and we have Robert Sorby and Ashley Iles making chisels and Thomas Flinn making proper saws, all Sheffield firms.

However, these are small businesses making for a niche market which will pay high prices. We don't export to the world any more.

[Hughman]

Originally posted by Dave Fleming:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid136/p30b54c0b5125e650a36ae0bd6213c2b8/f74d7bd2.jpgDave, is this your shop???

If so, it's too clean. go mess it up.

;)

[Hughman]

Originally posted by Dave Fleming:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid136/p30b54c0b5125e650a36ae0bd6213c2b8/f74d7bd2.jpgDave, is this your shop???

If so, it's too clean. go mess it up.

;)

[Hughman]

Originally posted by Dave Fleming:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid136/p30b54c0b5125e650a36ae0bd6213c2b8/f74d7bd2.jpgDave, is this your shop???

If so, it's too clean. go mess it up.

;)

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Gosh, that much money for a vice...

...amazing bit of kit, but too good for the likes of me. Got a line on a Woden for 45 pounds...

...and Dave, thanks for the warning re Record; that explains why several wooden-boat-afflicted friends have suddenly been buying vices!

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Gosh, that much money for a vice...

...amazing bit of kit, but too good for the likes of me. Got a line on a Woden for 45 pounds...

...and Dave, thanks for the warning re Record; that explains why several wooden-boat-afflicted friends have suddenly been buying vices!

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Gosh, that much money for a vice...

...amazing bit of kit, but too good for the likes of me. Got a line on a Woden for 45 pounds...

...and Dave, thanks for the warning re Record; that explains why several wooden-boat-afflicted friends have suddenly been buying vices!

[Bob Smalser]

There are decent Taiwanese Emmert clones for 200 bucks readily available:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42937&item=3835465602&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

http://i5.ebayimg.com/01/i/02/16/3e/21_1_b.JPG

[Bob Smalser]

There are decent Taiwanese Emmert clones for 200 bucks readily available:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42937&item=3835465602&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

http://i5.ebayimg.com/01/i/02/16/3e/21_1_b.JPG

[Bob Smalser]

There are decent Taiwanese Emmert clones for 200 bucks readily available:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42937&item=3835465602&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

http://i5.ebayimg.com/01/i/02/16/3e/21_1_b.JPG

[Hughman]

Originally posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett:
Gosh, that much money for a vice...!
Andrew, I'm sure there are vices that can cost a lot more.... ;)

[Hughman]

Originally posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett:
Gosh, that much money for a vice...!
Andrew, I'm sure there are vices that can cost a lot more.... ;)

[Hughman]

Originally posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett:
Gosh, that much money for a vice...!
Andrew, I'm sure there are vices that can cost a lot more.... ;)

[Dave Fleming]

ACB, check out CROWN tools. A Sheffield outfit looks like they are old school tool makers that got together to keep things alive over there.

[Dave Fleming]

ACB, check out CROWN tools. A Sheffield outfit looks like they are old school tool makers that got together to keep things alive over there.

[Dave Fleming]

ACB, check out CROWN tools. A Sheffield outfit looks like they are old school tool makers that got together to keep things alive over there.

[Dave Fleming]

'fore I bought one of those chiwanese emmert knockoffs I would look at what Sheridan did with a conventional wood vice. There is a reasonable description in the Workbench Book or in a back issue of FWW. Verrah Verrah clever, or so says I.

[Dave Fleming]

'fore I bought one of those chiwanese emmert knockoffs I would look at what Sheridan did with a conventional wood vice. There is a reasonable description in the Workbench Book or in a back issue of FWW. Verrah Verrah clever, or so says I.

[Dave Fleming]

'fore I bought one of those chiwanese emmert knockoffs I would look at what Sheridan did with a conventional wood vice. There is a reasonable description in the Workbench Book or in a back issue of FWW. Verrah Verrah clever, or so says I.

[TimH]

The real Emmerts were 85lbs. The Chiwanese ones are 55lbs. I winder what they left off....hmm

[TimH]

The real Emmerts were 85lbs. The Chiwanese ones are 55lbs. I winder what they left off....hmm

[TimH]

The real Emmerts were 85lbs. The Chiwanese ones are 55lbs. I winder what they left off....hmm