Need info on these saws!!

[Wild Dingo]

Okay in me meanderings south of here I found in an auction room down there with 3 table saws sitting in it... now all are big heavy solid 3ph monsters but one in particular got me curious.

Info I got from the machine was this on a plate on the side

"SICMA CT300 Model made in Italy" nothing else on the plate.

Only other info on the machine was the word "BLOCCAGGIO" on several places near to wheels and levers so Im thinking that could be some sort of Italian warning word? but I wouldnt have a clue... that was it!

The machine itself stood about 30in high 3ft wide and 4ft long... had a side drill set down about 6in from the main table... back up on the table proper was a 12" plane setup... then what looked to be a router holder but could have been some sort of spindle affair set back about 2in from the 10" saw

Very VERY solid buggar! All parts appeared to be cast steel.. reserve of $300AUD but expects around $1000AUD this being a totally unknown machine without any known parts availability

Google search turned up 10 pages related to SICMA but these were either an airoseat agriculture machinery {Scarifiers and such} or some new software program... nothing at all about tools.

Next was a Table saw 10" or 12" {no blade to judge it from} Made by Wadkin Bursgreen of Leicester England Machine number 12AGS 62303... 440V 3ph 50 cycles this was fitted with what appeared to be a fairly new Jet fence

Reserve of $400 but expects to raise somewhere around $1200 Ive emailed the company in England and hopefully will get some more information from them before the auction.

Here is a photo of the Wadkin 10AGS 82464 another model but similar to above...

http://www.owwm.com/PhotoIndex/Images/2003-2-22-22-43-5C.jpg

As a note the SICMA was twice the size of the above!

Last one was an interesting table saw... about 3'6" tall 4ft x 5 ft top the only information on it was a small plate stating "Forwood Machines" nothing else... it had two blade slots one 10in and the other had two small blades side by side within the slot... the large blade being in front of the smaller when facing the table from switch end.

Reserve of $500 wouldnt be drawn on what he hoped to get... can find nothing on this company.

Apparently they belonged to an old farmer who is now deceaced and were in his shed for donkeys years! Well kept though everything worked!! bit of surface rust appearing on the tops but the workins were nice and firm and easily moved... Im thinking seriously about the big Italian one but cant find a bloody thing about it!

Now anyone at all that has or could get {without going to any great dramas to do so} any information on any of the above this would be MUCH appreciated as they go up for Auction on Thursday am and Im considering going down for it!

APOLOGIES FOR NO PICS {forgot the camera! :rolleyes: }

[ 05-23-2003, 06:03 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Wild Dingo]

Okay in me meanderings south of here I found in an auction room down there with 3 table saws sitting in it... now all are big heavy solid 3ph monsters but one in particular got me curious.

Info I got from the machine was this on a plate on the side

"SICMA CT300 Model made in Italy" nothing else on the plate.

Only other info on the machine was the word "BLOCCAGGIO" on several places near to wheels and levers so Im thinking that could be some sort of Italian warning word? but I wouldnt have a clue... that was it!

The machine itself stood about 30in high 3ft wide and 4ft long... had a side drill set down about 6in from the main table... back up on the table proper was a 12" plane setup... then what looked to be a router holder but could have been some sort of spindle affair set back about 2in from the 10" saw

Very VERY solid buggar! All parts appeared to be cast steel.. reserve of $300AUD but expects around $1000AUD this being a totally unknown machine without any known parts availability

Google search turned up 10 pages related to SICMA but these were either an airoseat agriculture machinery {Scarifiers and such} or some new software program... nothing at all about tools.

Next was a Table saw 10" or 12" {no blade to judge it from} Made by Wadkin Bursgreen of Leicester England Machine number 12AGS 62303... 440V 3ph 50 cycles this was fitted with what appeared to be a fairly new Jet fence

Reserve of $400 but expects to raise somewhere around $1200 Ive emailed the company in England and hopefully will get some more information from them before the auction.

Here is a photo of the Wadkin 10AGS 82464 another model but similar to above...

http://www.owwm.com/PhotoIndex/Images/2003-2-22-22-43-5C.jpg

As a note the SICMA was twice the size of the above!

Last one was an interesting table saw... about 3'6" tall 4ft x 5 ft top the only information on it was a small plate stating "Forwood Machines" nothing else... it had two blade slots one 10in and the other had two small blades side by side within the slot... the large blade being in front of the smaller when facing the table from switch end.

Reserve of $500 wouldnt be drawn on what he hoped to get... can find nothing on this company.

Apparently they belonged to an old farmer who is now deceaced and were in his shed for donkeys years! Well kept though everything worked!! bit of surface rust appearing on the tops but the workins were nice and firm and easily moved... Im thinking seriously about the big Italian one but cant find a bloody thing about it!

Now anyone at all that has or could get {without going to any great dramas to do so} any information on any of the above this would be MUCH appreciated as they go up for Auction on Thursday am and Im considering going down for it!

APOLOGIES FOR NO PICS {forgot the camera! :rolleyes: }

[ 05-23-2003, 06:03 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Wild Dingo]

Okay in me meanderings south of here I found in an auction room down there with 3 table saws sitting in it... now all are big heavy solid 3ph monsters but one in particular got me curious.

Info I got from the machine was this on a plate on the side

"SICMA CT300 Model made in Italy" nothing else on the plate.

Only other info on the machine was the word "BLOCCAGGIO" on several places near to wheels and levers so Im thinking that could be some sort of Italian warning word? but I wouldnt have a clue... that was it!

The machine itself stood about 30in high 3ft wide and 4ft long... had a side drill set down about 6in from the main table... back up on the table proper was a 12" plane setup... then what looked to be a router holder but could have been some sort of spindle affair set back about 2in from the 10" saw

Very VERY solid buggar! All parts appeared to be cast steel.. reserve of $300AUD but expects around $1000AUD this being a totally unknown machine without any known parts availability

Google search turned up 10 pages related to SICMA but these were either an airoseat agriculture machinery {Scarifiers and such} or some new software program... nothing at all about tools.

Next was a Table saw 10" or 12" {no blade to judge it from} Made by Wadkin Bursgreen of Leicester England Machine number 12AGS 62303... 440V 3ph 50 cycles this was fitted with what appeared to be a fairly new Jet fence

Reserve of $400 but expects to raise somewhere around $1200 Ive emailed the company in England and hopefully will get some more information from them before the auction.

Here is a photo of the Wadkin 10AGS 82464 another model but similar to above...

http://www.owwm.com/PhotoIndex/Images/2003-2-22-22-43-5C.jpg

As a note the SICMA was twice the size of the above!

Last one was an interesting table saw... about 3'6" tall 4ft x 5 ft top the only information on it was a small plate stating "Forwood Machines" nothing else... it had two blade slots one 10in and the other had two small blades side by side within the slot... the large blade being in front of the smaller when facing the table from switch end.

Reserve of $500 wouldnt be drawn on what he hoped to get... can find nothing on this company.

Apparently they belonged to an old farmer who is now deceaced and were in his shed for donkeys years! Well kept though everything worked!! bit of surface rust appearing on the tops but the workins were nice and firm and easily moved... Im thinking seriously about the big Italian one but cant find a bloody thing about it!

Now anyone at all that has or could get {without going to any great dramas to do so} any information on any of the above this would be MUCH appreciated as they go up for Auction on Thursday am and Im considering going down for it!

APOLOGIES FOR NO PICS {forgot the camera! :rolleyes: }

[ 05-23-2003, 06:03 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Nicholas Carey]

Okay in me meanderings south of here I found in an auction room down there with 3 table saws sitting in it... now all are big heavy solid 3ph monsters but one in particular got me curious.

Info I got from the machine was this on a plate on the side

"SICMA CT300 Model made in Italy" nothing else on the plate.

Only other info on the machine was the word "BLOCCAGGIO" on several places near to wheels and levers so Im thinking that could be some sort of Italian warning word? but I wouldnt have a clue... that was it!

The machine itself stood about 30in high 3ft wide and 4ft long... had a side drill set down about 6in from the main table... back up on the table proper was a 12" plane setup... then what looked to be a router holder but could have been some sort of spindle affair set back about 2in from the 10" saw

Very VERY solid buggar! All parts appeared to be cast steel.. reserve of $300AUD but expects around $1000AUD this being a totally unknown machine without any known parts availabilitySounds like a Euro 'combination machine' to me.

Does the saw have a sliding table?

The typical combination machine consists of a sliding table table save, a tilting head shaper, a jointer, a planer and a horizontal morticing machine (your 'side drill' set below the table).

They wil typically have, say, 3-3hp motors driving the parts. Switchover from one function to the other usually takes about a minute.

Good for small shops because of the small footprint compared to separate tools. It also required but one runway to work in.

Does this machine look something like this?

http://www.lagunatools.com/images/big_NX31.jpg

These kind of machines start, in the USA, at about 6-7000 US dollars and go up, depending on make/model to about 15000 US dollars.

Some of the current manufacturers include Robland, Knapp, Minimax, etc.

Hope this helps.

[Nicholas Carey]

Okay in me meanderings south of here I found in an auction room down there with 3 table saws sitting in it... now all are big heavy solid 3ph monsters but one in particular got me curious.

Info I got from the machine was this on a plate on the side

"SICMA CT300 Model made in Italy" nothing else on the plate.

Only other info on the machine was the word "BLOCCAGGIO" on several places near to wheels and levers so Im thinking that could be some sort of Italian warning word? but I wouldnt have a clue... that was it!

The machine itself stood about 30in high 3ft wide and 4ft long... had a side drill set down about 6in from the main table... back up on the table proper was a 12" plane setup... then what looked to be a router holder but could have been some sort of spindle affair set back about 2in from the 10" saw

Very VERY solid buggar! All parts appeared to be cast steel.. reserve of $300AUD but expects around $1000AUD this being a totally unknown machine without any known parts availabilitySounds like a Euro 'combination machine' to me.

Does the saw have a sliding table?

The typical combination machine consists of a sliding table table save, a tilting head shaper, a jointer, a planer and a horizontal morticing machine (your 'side drill' set below the table).

They wil typically have, say, 3-3hp motors driving the parts. Switchover from one function to the other usually takes about a minute.

Good for small shops because of the small footprint compared to separate tools. It also required but one runway to work in.

Does this machine look something like this?

http://www.lagunatools.com/images/big_NX31.jpg

These kind of machines start, in the USA, at about 6-7000 US dollars and go up, depending on make/model to about 15000 US dollars.

Some of the current manufacturers include Robland, Knapp, Minimax, etc.

Hope this helps.

[Nicholas Carey]

Okay in me meanderings south of here I found in an auction room down there with 3 table saws sitting in it... now all are big heavy solid 3ph monsters but one in particular got me curious.

Info I got from the machine was this on a plate on the side

"SICMA CT300 Model made in Italy" nothing else on the plate.

Only other info on the machine was the word "BLOCCAGGIO" on several places near to wheels and levers so Im thinking that could be some sort of Italian warning word? but I wouldnt have a clue... that was it!

The machine itself stood about 30in high 3ft wide and 4ft long... had a side drill set down about 6in from the main table... back up on the table proper was a 12" plane setup... then what looked to be a router holder but could have been some sort of spindle affair set back about 2in from the 10" saw

Very VERY solid buggar! All parts appeared to be cast steel.. reserve of $300AUD but expects around $1000AUD this being a totally unknown machine without any known parts availabilitySounds like a Euro 'combination machine' to me.

Does the saw have a sliding table?

The typical combination machine consists of a sliding table table save, a tilting head shaper, a jointer, a planer and a horizontal morticing machine (your 'side drill' set below the table).

They wil typically have, say, 3-3hp motors driving the parts. Switchover from one function to the other usually takes about a minute.

Good for small shops because of the small footprint compared to separate tools. It also required but one runway to work in.

Does this machine look something like this?

http://www.lagunatools.com/images/big_NX31.jpg

These kind of machines start, in the USA, at about 6-7000 US dollars and go up, depending on make/model to about 15000 US dollars.

Some of the current manufacturers include Robland, Knapp, Minimax, etc.

Hope this helps.

[Ron Williamson]

3PH changeover on the singles wouldn't be a big deal,but it could get expensive on the multi-machine.
R

[Ron Williamson]

3PH changeover on the singles wouldn't be a big deal,but it could get expensive on the multi-machine.
R

[Ron Williamson]

3PH changeover on the singles wouldn't be a big deal,but it could get expensive on the multi-machine.
R

[Wild Dingo]

Gidday Nicholas how goes it?

Yes mate very much like that... but that one looks downright fragile compared to this thing!.. I mean the table itself was at least 1/2" cast steel! and thats just the table!... no aluminium in it whatever the fence cupboard etc all heavy duty steel... with that nice old heavy steel patina :cool:

But finding info on it is a mongrel! Unless the one with the ag gear is the original one and theyve changed client target group?

These kind of machines start, in the USA, at about 6-7000 US dollars and go up, depending on make/model to about 15000 US dollars.HOLEY SHITE!!!! thats gotta be new price right?! shite I think I will definantly go!!

[ 05-23-2003, 06:11 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Wild Dingo]

Gidday Nicholas how goes it?

Yes mate very much like that... but that one looks downright fragile compared to this thing!.. I mean the table itself was at least 1/2" cast steel! and thats just the table!... no aluminium in it whatever the fence cupboard etc all heavy duty steel... with that nice old heavy steel patina :cool:

But finding info on it is a mongrel! Unless the one with the ag gear is the original one and theyve changed client target group?

These kind of machines start, in the USA, at about 6-7000 US dollars and go up, depending on make/model to about 15000 US dollars.HOLEY SHITE!!!! thats gotta be new price right?! shite I think I will definantly go!!

[ 05-23-2003, 06:11 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Wild Dingo]

Gidday Nicholas how goes it?

Yes mate very much like that... but that one looks downright fragile compared to this thing!.. I mean the table itself was at least 1/2" cast steel! and thats just the table!... no aluminium in it whatever the fence cupboard etc all heavy duty steel... with that nice old heavy steel patina :cool:

But finding info on it is a mongrel! Unless the one with the ag gear is the original one and theyve changed client target group?

These kind of machines start, in the USA, at about 6-7000 US dollars and go up, depending on make/model to about 15000 US dollars.HOLEY SHITE!!!! thats gotta be new price right?! shite I think I will definantly go!!

[ 05-23-2003, 06:11 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Nicholas Carey]

Originally posted by Wild Dingo:
shite I think I will definantly go!!Bring your dial indicators, feeler gauges, etc.

Check runout/play in the arbors. bearing problems, etc. Especially if parts availability might be an issue.

One other thing with these machines: setup is key. Getting all the tables so that they are planar is really important: that's where the precision comes from.

Good Luck.

[Nicholas Carey]

Originally posted by Wild Dingo:
shite I think I will definantly go!!Bring your dial indicators, feeler gauges, etc.

Check runout/play in the arbors. bearing problems, etc. Especially if parts availability might be an issue.

One other thing with these machines: setup is key. Getting all the tables so that they are planar is really important: that's where the precision comes from.

Good Luck.

[Nicholas Carey]

Originally posted by Wild Dingo:
shite I think I will definantly go!!Bring your dial indicators, feeler gauges, etc.

Check runout/play in the arbors. bearing problems, etc. Especially if parts availability might be an issue.

One other thing with these machines: setup is key. Getting all the tables so that they are planar is really important: that's where the precision comes from.

Good Luck.

[jason stumpf]

dingo,

main thing to consider with older machines is the availability of parts. can you get belts, bearings, pullys, etc.?

regarding the combination machine, some of them are great, some of them are a pain in the butt to set up. look very thoughtfully at what you must do to convert from one opperation to another.

wadkin is an old woodworking machinery manufacturer from england. they are known for heavy, well made equipment. i don't know much about their old stuff, but lately they have been focusing on large industrial strength moulders.

i'm not familiar with the third brand, but what you describe of the blades is a scoring saw. the main blade goes in its usual place, and the scoring saw goes before it. that is, between you and the mainsaw when you're feeding a board through. a scoring saw does just what its name implies: it scores a little kerf in the bottom of a veneered or laminated panel so that there are no chips or splinters from the mainsaw. ever notice how clean the top of the cut is when crosscutting veneered ply, while the bottom is splintered? at the top surface, the blade cuts into the veneer which is backed up by the plywood (or whatever)substrate. at the bottom of the cut, there is nothing supporting the veneer, so it blows out. a scoring saw, set up to rotate opposite the mainsaw and about 1/16" above the table, solves this problem by making a clean cut on the bottom. they are usually two-piece so they can be shimmed apart making the scored kerf a couple of thousandths of an inch wider than the mainsaw. that way the main blade cannot chip the bottom of the panel. scoring saws are usually a cabinetmakers thing. not sure how useful it is in a boatshop.

sorry for the lecture if you already knew all this, but i figured i'd cover the bases.

jason

[jason stumpf]

dingo,

main thing to consider with older machines is the availability of parts. can you get belts, bearings, pullys, etc.?

regarding the combination machine, some of them are great, some of them are a pain in the butt to set up. look very thoughtfully at what you must do to convert from one opperation to another.

wadkin is an old woodworking machinery manufacturer from england. they are known for heavy, well made equipment. i don't know much about their old stuff, but lately they have been focusing on large industrial strength moulders.

i'm not familiar with the third brand, but what you describe of the blades is a scoring saw. the main blade goes in its usual place, and the scoring saw goes before it. that is, between you and the mainsaw when you're feeding a board through. a scoring saw does just what its name implies: it scores a little kerf in the bottom of a veneered or laminated panel so that there are no chips or splinters from the mainsaw. ever notice how clean the top of the cut is when crosscutting veneered ply, while the bottom is splintered? at the top surface, the blade cuts into the veneer which is backed up by the plywood (or whatever)substrate. at the bottom of the cut, there is nothing supporting the veneer, so it blows out. a scoring saw, set up to rotate opposite the mainsaw and about 1/16" above the table, solves this problem by making a clean cut on the bottom. they are usually two-piece so they can be shimmed apart making the scored kerf a couple of thousandths of an inch wider than the mainsaw. that way the main blade cannot chip the bottom of the panel. scoring saws are usually a cabinetmakers thing. not sure how useful it is in a boatshop.

sorry for the lecture if you already knew all this, but i figured i'd cover the bases.

jason

[jason stumpf]

dingo,

main thing to consider with older machines is the availability of parts. can you get belts, bearings, pullys, etc.?

regarding the combination machine, some of them are great, some of them are a pain in the butt to set up. look very thoughtfully at what you must do to convert from one opperation to another.

wadkin is an old woodworking machinery manufacturer from england. they are known for heavy, well made equipment. i don't know much about their old stuff, but lately they have been focusing on large industrial strength moulders.

i'm not familiar with the third brand, but what you describe of the blades is a scoring saw. the main blade goes in its usual place, and the scoring saw goes before it. that is, between you and the mainsaw when you're feeding a board through. a scoring saw does just what its name implies: it scores a little kerf in the bottom of a veneered or laminated panel so that there are no chips or splinters from the mainsaw. ever notice how clean the top of the cut is when crosscutting veneered ply, while the bottom is splintered? at the top surface, the blade cuts into the veneer which is backed up by the plywood (or whatever)substrate. at the bottom of the cut, there is nothing supporting the veneer, so it blows out. a scoring saw, set up to rotate opposite the mainsaw and about 1/16" above the table, solves this problem by making a clean cut on the bottom. they are usually two-piece so they can be shimmed apart making the scored kerf a couple of thousandths of an inch wider than the mainsaw. that way the main blade cannot chip the bottom of the panel. scoring saws are usually a cabinetmakers thing. not sure how useful it is in a boatshop.

sorry for the lecture if you already knew all this, but i figured i'd cover the bases.

jason

[Wild Dingo]

Thanks for the info Nicholas and Jason! :cool:

The wadkin is probably my sensible one of the three simply due to the fact that theyve been around for some time and parts shouldnt {he says wryly} be too big an issue whereas the others would be.

[Wild Dingo]

Thanks for the info Nicholas and Jason! :cool:

The wadkin is probably my sensible one of the three simply due to the fact that theyve been around for some time and parts shouldnt {he says wryly} be too big an issue whereas the others would be.

[Wild Dingo]

Thanks for the info Nicholas and Jason! :cool:

The wadkin is probably my sensible one of the three simply due to the fact that theyve been around for some time and parts shouldnt {he says wryly} be too big an issue whereas the others would be.

[Henning 4148]

Hi Dingo!

When going for stationary equipment you might want to give weight a five minute consideration. One difference between hobby and semiprofessional and real professional equipment is weight. The real professional equipment starts out like realy realy heavy - and then about twice the weight of that again - which has a lot of advantages in use, like less vibration, less noise, less distortion etc., but you have to arrange transport, get it to its final destination and make sure it doesn't disappear through your floor boards and sink into the ground. You may even need special foundations for some of the old cast iron machines, depending on local circumstances.

We settled for semiprofessional and light professional equipment on our stationary machines (we only have two ...) which works fine for us but - well - just sometimes I wonder how the real heavy stuff would perform. On the other side we have the planer on wheels which allows us to get it out of the way. You couldn't do that with one of the old cast iron ones.

Well, it's just another aspect for chosing the machine that is right for you.

Regarding spare parts - if you realy need them on old machines and your local shop can't recondition the old parts, it may be worth considering to have them machined at a local shop. Apart from the castings, everything can be made "new" if it can't be repaired.

You'll be there, Henning

[Henning 4148]

Hi Dingo!

When going for stationary equipment you might want to give weight a five minute consideration. One difference between hobby and semiprofessional and real professional equipment is weight. The real professional equipment starts out like realy realy heavy - and then about twice the weight of that again - which has a lot of advantages in use, like less vibration, less noise, less distortion etc., but you have to arrange transport, get it to its final destination and make sure it doesn't disappear through your floor boards and sink into the ground. You may even need special foundations for some of the old cast iron machines, depending on local circumstances.

We settled for semiprofessional and light professional equipment on our stationary machines (we only have two ...) which works fine for us but - well - just sometimes I wonder how the real heavy stuff would perform. On the other side we have the planer on wheels which allows us to get it out of the way. You couldn't do that with one of the old cast iron ones.

Well, it's just another aspect for chosing the machine that is right for you.

Regarding spare parts - if you realy need them on old machines and your local shop can't recondition the old parts, it may be worth considering to have them machined at a local shop. Apart from the castings, everything can be made "new" if it can't be repaired.

You'll be there, Henning

[Henning 4148]

Hi Dingo!

When going for stationary equipment you might want to give weight a five minute consideration. One difference between hobby and semiprofessional and real professional equipment is weight. The real professional equipment starts out like realy realy heavy - and then about twice the weight of that again - which has a lot of advantages in use, like less vibration, less noise, less distortion etc., but you have to arrange transport, get it to its final destination and make sure it doesn't disappear through your floor boards and sink into the ground. You may even need special foundations for some of the old cast iron machines, depending on local circumstances.

We settled for semiprofessional and light professional equipment on our stationary machines (we only have two ...) which works fine for us but - well - just sometimes I wonder how the real heavy stuff would perform. On the other side we have the planer on wheels which allows us to get it out of the way. You couldn't do that with one of the old cast iron ones.

Well, it's just another aspect for chosing the machine that is right for you.

Regarding spare parts - if you realy need them on old machines and your local shop can't recondition the old parts, it may be worth considering to have them machined at a local shop. Apart from the castings, everything can be made "new" if it can't be repaired.

You'll be there, Henning

[Mrleft8]

Yer gonna need all that Tuart lumber to build you a shop to put your machines for building yer boat in....
Get yerself a nice bandsaw first boy-o, then a planer, then a table saw, then a jointer, then a bigger band saw.... (you DO have a drill press....right?)
I think the Wadkin looks like the best unit for you, for now.....

[Mrleft8]

Yer gonna need all that Tuart lumber to build you a shop to put your machines for building yer boat in....
Get yerself a nice bandsaw first boy-o, then a planer, then a table saw, then a jointer, then a bigger band saw.... (you DO have a drill press....right?)
I think the Wadkin looks like the best unit for you, for now.....

[Mrleft8]

Yer gonna need all that Tuart lumber to build you a shop to put your machines for building yer boat in....
Get yerself a nice bandsaw first boy-o, then a planer, then a table saw, then a jointer, then a bigger band saw.... (you DO have a drill press....right?)
I think the Wadkin looks like the best unit for you, for now.....

[john welsford]

Interesting , I represented Wadkin in NZ for quite a few years, and should you need spare parts can still source them. But Wadkin themselves went under about 4 years ago although some elements of the company including spares are up and running again. Southern Cross Engineering in Brisbane ( Cannon Hill, they will be in the phone book, talk to Brian Wilson) . The sawbench is a very popular one in small joinery shops and is pretty well regarded , engineered for light commercial use and a boatbuilder or home joinery would find the machine a good buy. The prices you mention are a bit lighter than they usually sell at though, its retail from a supplier selling into the commercial industrial users would normally have that listed around 2 2 1/2 grand ( A$) and in fact I have two current catalogues that list them at around that.
If you do go ahead and buy it you will have a freind for life as these things are legendary for long life, and I can supply a photocopied operators handbook should it be required.
All bearings are stock off the shelf jobs as is the drive belt. You should never, short of dropping off the truck when delivering it, need any other spares.

The Sicma, are you sure its not a SICAR? I have had a look through the trade exhibitors at he last couple of Italian WW Machinery manufacturers shows , and the Last two Ligna shows and Sicma is not listed.
JohnW

[john welsford]

Interesting , I represented Wadkin in NZ for quite a few years, and should you need spare parts can still source them. But Wadkin themselves went under about 4 years ago although some elements of the company including spares are up and running again. Southern Cross Engineering in Brisbane ( Cannon Hill, they will be in the phone book, talk to Brian Wilson) . The sawbench is a very popular one in small joinery shops and is pretty well regarded , engineered for light commercial use and a boatbuilder or home joinery would find the machine a good buy. The prices you mention are a bit lighter than they usually sell at though, its retail from a supplier selling into the commercial industrial users would normally have that listed around 2 2 1/2 grand ( A$) and in fact I have two current catalogues that list them at around that.
If you do go ahead and buy it you will have a freind for life as these things are legendary for long life, and I can supply a photocopied operators handbook should it be required.
All bearings are stock off the shelf jobs as is the drive belt. You should never, short of dropping off the truck when delivering it, need any other spares.

The Sicma, are you sure its not a SICAR? I have had a look through the trade exhibitors at he last couple of Italian WW Machinery manufacturers shows , and the Last two Ligna shows and Sicma is not listed.
JohnW

[john welsford]

Interesting , I represented Wadkin in NZ for quite a few years, and should you need spare parts can still source them. But Wadkin themselves went under about 4 years ago although some elements of the company including spares are up and running again. Southern Cross Engineering in Brisbane ( Cannon Hill, they will be in the phone book, talk to Brian Wilson) . The sawbench is a very popular one in small joinery shops and is pretty well regarded , engineered for light commercial use and a boatbuilder or home joinery would find the machine a good buy. The prices you mention are a bit lighter than they usually sell at though, its retail from a supplier selling into the commercial industrial users would normally have that listed around 2 2 1/2 grand ( A$) and in fact I have two current catalogues that list them at around that.
If you do go ahead and buy it you will have a freind for life as these things are legendary for long life, and I can supply a photocopied operators handbook should it be required.
All bearings are stock off the shelf jobs as is the drive belt. You should never, short of dropping off the truck when delivering it, need any other spares.

The Sicma, are you sure its not a SICAR? I have had a look through the trade exhibitors at he last couple of Italian WW Machinery manufacturers shows , and the Last two Ligna shows and Sicma is not listed.
JohnW

[Nicholas Carey]

Ahh...SICAR. Like this:

http://www.vcsaw.co.uk/pictures/sicar_bravissima_350.jpg (http://www.vcsaw.co.uk/machinery2.html)

Company web site at http://www.sicar.it — the english side of things is kinda weak.

[Nicholas Carey]

Ahh...SICAR. Like this:

http://www.vcsaw.co.uk/pictures/sicar_bravissima_350.jpg (http://www.vcsaw.co.uk/machinery2.html)

Company web site at http://www.sicar.it — the english side of things is kinda weak.

[Nicholas Carey]

Ahh...SICAR. Like this:

http://www.vcsaw.co.uk/pictures/sicar_bravissima_350.jpg (http://www.vcsaw.co.uk/machinery2.html)

Company web site at http://www.sicar.it — the english side of things is kinda weak.

[Wild Dingo]

"SICMA CT300 Model made in Italy" was what was written on the machine mate.

It was much as Nicholas shows only a heck of a lot older and from that look more solid no aluminum at all everything was painted green and what wasnt was heavy steel with that dark aged look.

Trip south has been cancelled due to missus reignin in the purstrings! reckons Ive spent enough on timber and such that until the gara... eeerr boatshed is up Im not allowed anywhere near sales auctions or timber of any sort! :( ...I am devistated :( ...so Im takin canoeythingy and buggarin of down the serpentine river in the morning to ease me sorrows.

[ 05-28-2003, 11:59 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Wild Dingo]

"SICMA CT300 Model made in Italy" was what was written on the machine mate.

It was much as Nicholas shows only a heck of a lot older and from that look more solid no aluminum at all everything was painted green and what wasnt was heavy steel with that dark aged look.

Trip south has been cancelled due to missus reignin in the purstrings! reckons Ive spent enough on timber and such that until the gara... eeerr boatshed is up Im not allowed anywhere near sales auctions or timber of any sort! :( ...I am devistated :( ...so Im takin canoeythingy and buggarin of down the serpentine river in the morning to ease me sorrows.

[ 05-28-2003, 11:59 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Wild Dingo]

"SICMA CT300 Model made in Italy" was what was written on the machine mate.

It was much as Nicholas shows only a heck of a lot older and from that look more solid no aluminum at all everything was painted green and what wasnt was heavy steel with that dark aged look.

Trip south has been cancelled due to missus reignin in the purstrings! reckons Ive spent enough on timber and such that until the gara... eeerr boatshed is up Im not allowed anywhere near sales auctions or timber of any sort! :( ...I am devistated :( ...so Im takin canoeythingy and buggarin of down the serpentine river in the morning to ease me sorrows.

[ 05-28-2003, 11:59 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]