Flat Paint

[Ian G Wright]

I thought I would move this from Building to see if I could dig up a better response...

Good article in the latest WB on the benefits of a mat (flat) finish set me thinking again about what to slap on Patience this year.
I fancy a matt finish but will I be reducing the protection that a boat needs? I called a traditional paint makers in England who have a good reputation and they couldn’t recommend any of their flat oil paints. They said they were for interior use only and in any case a matt finish on a boat hull would mark much easier than gloss.
Since I paint Patience every year do I care?
I don’t much care for the idea of buying a full gloss paint and putting a matting agent in it, but I’m not sure why ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Opinions please.

IanW

[Ian G Wright]

I thought I would move this from Building to see if I could dig up a better response...

Good article in the latest WB on the benefits of a mat (flat) finish set me thinking again about what to slap on Patience this year.
I fancy a matt finish but will I be reducing the protection that a boat needs? I called a traditional paint makers in England who have a good reputation and they couldn’t recommend any of their flat oil paints. They said they were for interior use only and in any case a matt finish on a boat hull would mark much easier than gloss.
Since I paint Patience every year do I care?
I don’t much care for the idea of buying a full gloss paint and putting a matting agent in it, but I’m not sure why ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Opinions please.

IanW

[Ian G Wright]

I thought I would move this from Building to see if I could dig up a better response...

Good article in the latest WB on the benefits of a mat (flat) finish set me thinking again about what to slap on Patience this year.
I fancy a matt finish but will I be reducing the protection that a boat needs? I called a traditional paint makers in England who have a good reputation and they couldn’t recommend any of their flat oil paints. They said they were for interior use only and in any case a matt finish on a boat hull would mark much easier than gloss.
Since I paint Patience every year do I care?
I don’t much care for the idea of buying a full gloss paint and putting a matting agent in it, but I’m not sure why ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Opinions please.

IanW

[Ron Williamson]

Benjamin Moore has an oil-based enamel called Impervo.We use Satin(pretty flat) to paint cabinetry.It is indicated for interior use.Their Gloss Impervo is indicated interior/exterior.
Don't know why.... :confused:
R

[Ron Williamson]

Benjamin Moore has an oil-based enamel called Impervo.We use Satin(pretty flat) to paint cabinetry.It is indicated for interior use.Their Gloss Impervo is indicated interior/exterior.
Don't know why.... :confused:
R

[Ron Williamson]

Benjamin Moore has an oil-based enamel called Impervo.We use Satin(pretty flat) to paint cabinetry.It is indicated for interior use.Their Gloss Impervo is indicated interior/exterior.
Don't know why.... :confused:
R

[John Blazy]

A Matting agent is simply finely ground glass shards - i.e. superfine fumed silica. There are quite a few variations and they would likely help the durability rather than hinder it (I think) due to the fact that matting agents increase viscosity and sag/run control so you may get a thicker coating on. The dull finish also hides imperfections better. I've used Teflon additives as well as solid glass / ceramic microspheres for added mar resistance but don't know where you'd get it unless the paint advertises that its in it. - JB

[John Blazy]

A Matting agent is simply finely ground glass shards - i.e. superfine fumed silica. There are quite a few variations and they would likely help the durability rather than hinder it (I think) due to the fact that matting agents increase viscosity and sag/run control so you may get a thicker coating on. The dull finish also hides imperfections better. I've used Teflon additives as well as solid glass / ceramic microspheres for added mar resistance but don't know where you'd get it unless the paint advertises that its in it. - JB

[John Blazy]

A Matting agent is simply finely ground glass shards - i.e. superfine fumed silica. There are quite a few variations and they would likely help the durability rather than hinder it (I think) due to the fact that matting agents increase viscosity and sag/run control so you may get a thicker coating on. The dull finish also hides imperfections better. I've used Teflon additives as well as solid glass / ceramic microspheres for added mar resistance but don't know where you'd get it unless the paint advertises that its in it. - JB

[NormMessinger]

Hmmm. Seems you are not getting a lot of responses here either. How about a finish something like this:
http://www.qpg.com/custom/01mtv-table_17s494620.jpg
High gloss with a bit of variety in colouration.

Okay, seriously now, my vote would be for simi gloss for Patience if you can find the paint to do it. Something like Kirby's if you can get it. Lusterous but not too much shine

Man, John, you do some really neat stuff. Interesting materials. Beautiful tables.

[NormMessinger]

Hmmm. Seems you are not getting a lot of responses here either. How about a finish something like this:
http://www.qpg.com/custom/01mtv-table_17s494620.jpg
High gloss with a bit of variety in colouration.

Okay, seriously now, my vote would be for simi gloss for Patience if you can find the paint to do it. Something like Kirby's if you can get it. Lusterous but not too much shine

Man, John, you do some really neat stuff. Interesting materials. Beautiful tables.

[NormMessinger]

Hmmm. Seems you are not getting a lot of responses here either. How about a finish something like this:
http://www.qpg.com/custom/01mtv-table_17s494620.jpg
High gloss with a bit of variety in colouration.

Okay, seriously now, my vote would be for simi gloss for Patience if you can find the paint to do it. Something like Kirby's if you can get it. Lusterous but not too much shine

Man, John, you do some really neat stuff. Interesting materials. Beautiful tables.

[Ian G Wright]

Originally posted by NormMessinger:
my vote would be for simi gloss for Patience if you can find the paint to do it. Something like Kirby's if you can get it.If I could get it,,,,,, if only,,,,,
I contacted Kirby's (twice), no they have no plans to export to the UK, and no thank you they do not need a European agent/importer. Well I thought it couldn't hurt to ask. smile.gif

IanW.

[Ian G Wright]

Originally posted by NormMessinger:
my vote would be for simi gloss for Patience if you can find the paint to do it. Something like Kirby's if you can get it.If I could get it,,,,,, if only,,,,,
I contacted Kirby's (twice), no they have no plans to export to the UK, and no thank you they do not need a European agent/importer. Well I thought it couldn't hurt to ask. smile.gif

IanW.

[Ian G Wright]

Originally posted by NormMessinger:
my vote would be for simi gloss for Patience if you can find the paint to do it. Something like Kirby's if you can get it.If I could get it,,,,,, if only,,,,,
I contacted Kirby's (twice), no they have no plans to export to the UK, and no thank you they do not need a European agent/importer. Well I thought it couldn't hurt to ask. smile.gif

IanW.

[Art Read]

Hmmmm... I'm surprised Mr. Kirby wouldn't even be "interested" in Europe as a market. Too much hassle meeting E.U. safety regs/documentation perhaps? But hey, if you REALLY want to try some, I'd bet some forum member or other in the New Bedford area would be happy to act as "middle man" for you. No rules against individuals shipping each other "gifts" internationaly are there?

[Art Read]

Hmmmm... I'm surprised Mr. Kirby wouldn't even be "interested" in Europe as a market. Too much hassle meeting E.U. safety regs/documentation perhaps? But hey, if you REALLY want to try some, I'd bet some forum member or other in the New Bedford area would be happy to act as "middle man" for you. No rules against individuals shipping each other "gifts" internationaly are there?

[Art Read]

Hmmmm... I'm surprised Mr. Kirby wouldn't even be "interested" in Europe as a market. Too much hassle meeting E.U. safety regs/documentation perhaps? But hey, if you REALLY want to try some, I'd bet some forum member or other in the New Bedford area would be happy to act as "middle man" for you. No rules against individuals shipping each other "gifts" internationaly are there?

[John Blazy]

Hey wait a minute - that's my t--- . . oh I get it!
Way too hilarious :D :D

That finish is 250 mils of a highly crosslinked borosilicate proprietary polymer (1/4" glass ;)

[John Blazy]

Hey wait a minute - that's my t--- . . oh I get it!
Way too hilarious :D :D

That finish is 250 mils of a highly crosslinked borosilicate proprietary polymer (1/4" glass ;)

[John Blazy]

Hey wait a minute - that's my t--- . . oh I get it!
Way too hilarious :D :D

That finish is 250 mils of a highly crosslinked borosilicate proprietary polymer (1/4" glass ;)

[John Teetsel]

Semi-gloss seem to be a good compromise of the two. It doesn't scuff or collect dirt as easily as flat and it doesn't show surface imperfections and sun glare as badly gloss. Available from most major manufactures as an exterior finish in oil or latex in lots of colo(u)rs. ;)

[John Teetsel]

Semi-gloss seem to be a good compromise of the two. It doesn't scuff or collect dirt as easily as flat and it doesn't show surface imperfections and sun glare as badly gloss. Available from most major manufactures as an exterior finish in oil or latex in lots of colo(u)rs. ;)

[John Teetsel]

Semi-gloss seem to be a good compromise of the two. It doesn't scuff or collect dirt as easily as flat and it doesn't show surface imperfections and sun glare as badly gloss. Available from most major manufactures as an exterior finish in oil or latex in lots of colo(u)rs. ;)

[Ian G Wright]

Originally posted by John Teetsel:
it doesn't show surface imperfections ;) Right,,,,,, that's it, thanks for the help chaps but three people have mentioned "hiding Imperfections" as a reason for using flat paint. Well it ain't going to happen. There are no imperfections on Patience’s topsides and I will not have unwarranted suspicions.
That's it, the fullest of full gloss this year as normal,,,,,,, but I wish I had a shed to do it in.
Anyone like to send me half a gallon of Kirbys best and glossiest white? ;)

IanW.

[Ian G Wright]

Originally posted by John Teetsel:
it doesn't show surface imperfections ;) Right,,,,,, that's it, thanks for the help chaps but three people have mentioned "hiding Imperfections" as a reason for using flat paint. Well it ain't going to happen. There are no imperfections on Patience’s topsides and I will not have unwarranted suspicions.
That's it, the fullest of full gloss this year as normal,,,,,,, but I wish I had a shed to do it in.
Anyone like to send me half a gallon of Kirbys best and glossiest white? ;)

IanW.

[Ian G Wright]

Originally posted by John Teetsel:
it doesn't show surface imperfections ;) Right,,,,,, that's it, thanks for the help chaps but three people have mentioned "hiding Imperfections" as a reason for using flat paint. Well it ain't going to happen. There are no imperfections on Patience’s topsides and I will not have unwarranted suspicions.
That's it, the fullest of full gloss this year as normal,,,,,,, but I wish I had a shed to do it in.
Anyone like to send me half a gallon of Kirbys best and glossiest white? ;)

IanW.

[Ian McColgin]

And it's nice to see your handsome smiling face in the paint's reflection as you approach in the dink.

Little wonder I stick to searsbestexteriorflatlatex . . .

Definatly I'll get the copulating ants embroidered on your flag.

[Ian McColgin]

And it's nice to see your handsome smiling face in the paint's reflection as you approach in the dink.

Little wonder I stick to searsbestexteriorflatlatex . . .

Definatly I'll get the copulating ants embroidered on your flag.

[Ian McColgin]

And it's nice to see your handsome smiling face in the paint's reflection as you approach in the dink.

Little wonder I stick to searsbestexteriorflatlatex . . .

Definatly I'll get the copulating ants embroidered on your flag.

[Ian G Wright]

Originally posted by Ian McColgin:
I'll get the copulating ants embroidered on your flag.I'll look foward to it, and I have a couple of pals who think that I'm very casual bordering on the slapdash who could use one,,,,,,,,,,, smile.gif

IanW

[Ian G Wright]

Originally posted by Ian McColgin:
I'll get the copulating ants embroidered on your flag.I'll look foward to it, and I have a couple of pals who think that I'm very casual bordering on the slapdash who could use one,,,,,,,,,,, smile.gif

IanW

[Ian G Wright]

Originally posted by Ian McColgin:
I'll get the copulating ants embroidered on your flag.I'll look foward to it, and I have a couple of pals who think that I'm very casual bordering on the slapdash who could use one,,,,,,,,,,, smile.gif

IanW

[NormMessinger]

John Blazy, now that Ian has decided on gloss I guess I can ask without hijacking his thread too much: Are your cross linked finishes applied as a liquid (sprayed, brushed, what ever) or as a solid film?

[NormMessinger]

John Blazy, now that Ian has decided on gloss I guess I can ask without hijacking his thread too much: Are your cross linked finishes applied as a liquid (sprayed, brushed, what ever) or as a solid film?

[NormMessinger]

John Blazy, now that Ian has decided on gloss I guess I can ask without hijacking his thread too much: Are your cross linked finishes applied as a liquid (sprayed, brushed, what ever) or as a solid film?

[John Blazy]

Hi Norm and others who may be perplexed,

I guess my tongue in cheek answer wasn't obvious enough tongue.gif 250 mils (1/4") of Borosilicate ( regular glass, tempered) was laminated in a liquid resin I formulated for this purpose where a dichroic (color-changing) film is suspended between the sheets of glass and cured hard (rubbery) within 2 to 30 seconds under 20,000 watts of hi-intensity UV lights creating a chemical reaction more violent at the molecular level than pot of epoxy going off in smoke (radiation cure chemistry, like the fillings your dentist uses).

The finished product is Dichrolam, the laminated glass I make and market (between my boatbuilding escapades). More info on the "Who we all are.." thread in 'People & places'. or see my website.

This high viscosity formula is poured, but most coatings we developed were to be sprayed, then cured. I even made a wonderful fairing compound I used for a while - putty it on, wave a hand-held UV lamp over it, and sand to a powder in less than 10 seconds. It cured only fifty mils deep though.

That table was for MTV, but that very same glass would be cool on a yacht dashboard . . . - JB

[John Blazy]

Hi Norm and others who may be perplexed,

I guess my tongue in cheek answer wasn't obvious enough tongue.gif 250 mils (1/4") of Borosilicate ( regular glass, tempered) was laminated in a liquid resin I formulated for this purpose where a dichroic (color-changing) film is suspended between the sheets of glass and cured hard (rubbery) within 2 to 30 seconds under 20,000 watts of hi-intensity UV lights creating a chemical reaction more violent at the molecular level than pot of epoxy going off in smoke (radiation cure chemistry, like the fillings your dentist uses).

The finished product is Dichrolam, the laminated glass I make and market (between my boatbuilding escapades). More info on the "Who we all are.." thread in 'People & places'. or see my website.

This high viscosity formula is poured, but most coatings we developed were to be sprayed, then cured. I even made a wonderful fairing compound I used for a while - putty it on, wave a hand-held UV lamp over it, and sand to a powder in less than 10 seconds. It cured only fifty mils deep though.

That table was for MTV, but that very same glass would be cool on a yacht dashboard . . . - JB

[John Blazy]

Hi Norm and others who may be perplexed,

I guess my tongue in cheek answer wasn't obvious enough tongue.gif 250 mils (1/4") of Borosilicate ( regular glass, tempered) was laminated in a liquid resin I formulated for this purpose where a dichroic (color-changing) film is suspended between the sheets of glass and cured hard (rubbery) within 2 to 30 seconds under 20,000 watts of hi-intensity UV lights creating a chemical reaction more violent at the molecular level than pot of epoxy going off in smoke (radiation cure chemistry, like the fillings your dentist uses).

The finished product is Dichrolam, the laminated glass I make and market (between my boatbuilding escapades). More info on the "Who we all are.." thread in 'People & places'. or see my website.

This high viscosity formula is poured, but most coatings we developed were to be sprayed, then cured. I even made a wonderful fairing compound I used for a while - putty it on, wave a hand-held UV lamp over it, and sand to a powder in less than 10 seconds. It cured only fifty mils deep though.

That table was for MTV, but that very same glass would be cool on a yacht dashboard . . . - JB

[NormMessinger]

Thanks.

Back to you Ian.

[NormMessinger]

Thanks.

Back to you Ian.

[NormMessinger]

Thanks.

Back to you Ian.