WB Back Issues

[Big Red]

I was looking through the WB Store, trying to track down issues 12, 26, 27 & 28. But they seem to be missing? Not available in hardcover and not on CD either.

Number 12 has an article on the Marisol Skiff, 26/27/28 have a building article on the Catspaw Dinghy. Which I would very much like to read :D

I have never seen a second hand copy of WB before. Not on Ebay, or in the large bookstore in the city (they apparently have over 1 million books and mags! Just no WB). A combination of not being too popular with the general masses I suspect, and like gold to the people who are into it.

Anyone out there wanna, well, you know... share :rolleyes: wow, that felt like asking to borrow someones wife!

I can offer money, or money and a sail in a Catspaw (if I ever get to building her). My first born? :eek:

[Big Red]

I was looking through the WB Store, trying to track down issues 12, 26, 27 & 28. But they seem to be missing? Not available in hardcover and not on CD either.

Number 12 has an article on the Marisol Skiff, 26/27/28 have a building article on the Catspaw Dinghy. Which I would very much like to read :D

I have never seen a second hand copy of WB before. Not on Ebay, or in the large bookstore in the city (they apparently have over 1 million books and mags! Just no WB). A combination of not being too popular with the general masses I suspect, and like gold to the people who are into it.

Anyone out there wanna, well, you know... share :rolleyes: wow, that felt like asking to borrow someones wife!

I can offer money, or money and a sail in a Catspaw (if I ever get to building her). My first born? :eek:

[Big Red]

I was looking through the WB Store, trying to track down issues 12, 26, 27 & 28. But they seem to be missing? Not available in hardcover and not on CD either.

Number 12 has an article on the Marisol Skiff, 26/27/28 have a building article on the Catspaw Dinghy. Which I would very much like to read :D

I have never seen a second hand copy of WB before. Not on Ebay, or in the large bookstore in the city (they apparently have over 1 million books and mags! Just no WB). A combination of not being too popular with the general masses I suspect, and like gold to the people who are into it.

Anyone out there wanna, well, you know... share :rolleyes: wow, that felt like asking to borrow someones wife!

I can offer money, or money and a sail in a Catspaw (if I ever get to building her). My first born? :eek:

[hikingchrs]

I believe that you can buy a photocopy of any artical from a sold out back order from wooden
boat....also woodenboat has every issue in it's
library maybe time for a trip?
Chris

[hikingchrs]

I believe that you can buy a photocopy of any artical from a sold out back order from wooden
boat....also woodenboat has every issue in it's
library maybe time for a trip?
Chris

[hikingchrs]

I believe that you can buy a photocopy of any artical from a sold out back order from wooden
boat....also woodenboat has every issue in it's
library maybe time for a trip?
Chris

[Bob Perkins]

Big Red,
WB is on eBay - I completed my collection using eBay. Look in Magazine Back Issues - then search by Wooden - It will skinny the list down.

The older issues usually come in bunches and you could spend a lot of money getting them...

WB sells photo copies of the oldies if you need the articles.

Issue 12 was particularly difficult to get - I think it was the last one for me..

Bob

[Bob Perkins]

Big Red,
WB is on eBay - I completed my collection using eBay. Look in Magazine Back Issues - then search by Wooden - It will skinny the list down.

The older issues usually come in bunches and you could spend a lot of money getting them...

WB sells photo copies of the oldies if you need the articles.

Issue 12 was particularly difficult to get - I think it was the last one for me..

Bob

[Bob Perkins]

Big Red,
WB is on eBay - I completed my collection using eBay. Look in Magazine Back Issues - then search by Wooden - It will skinny the list down.

The older issues usually come in bunches and you could spend a lot of money getting them...

WB sells photo copies of the oldies if you need the articles.

Issue 12 was particularly difficult to get - I think it was the last one for me..

Bob

[BrianY]

WB sells b&w photocopies of the back issues you want, including #12. See
http://www.woodenboat.com/wbbacki.htm

...26/27/28 have a building article on the Catspaw Dinghy. Which I would very much like to read FYI - you can purchase the book 'How to Build the Catspaw Dinghy" from WB for $8.95 - which is probably less than the cost of the 3 back issues with the articles you want. If I recall correctly, the book is a reprint of the articles with some added material.

(edited to include additional information)

[ 09-17-2004, 11:28 AM: Message edited by: BrianY ]

[BrianY]

WB sells b&w photocopies of the back issues you want, including #12. See
http://www.woodenboat.com/wbbacki.htm

...26/27/28 have a building article on the Catspaw Dinghy. Which I would very much like to read FYI - you can purchase the book 'How to Build the Catspaw Dinghy" from WB for $8.95 - which is probably less than the cost of the 3 back issues with the articles you want. If I recall correctly, the book is a reprint of the articles with some added material.

(edited to include additional information)

[ 09-17-2004, 11:28 AM: Message edited by: BrianY ]

[BrianY]

WB sells b&w photocopies of the back issues you want, including #12. See
http://www.woodenboat.com/wbbacki.htm

...26/27/28 have a building article on the Catspaw Dinghy. Which I would very much like to read FYI - you can purchase the book 'How to Build the Catspaw Dinghy" from WB for $8.95 - which is probably less than the cost of the 3 back issues with the articles you want. If I recall correctly, the book is a reprint of the articles with some added material.

(edited to include additional information)

[ 09-17-2004, 11:28 AM: Message edited by: BrianY ]

[John Meachen]

I would also like to get hold of some of the missing copies of Woodenboat. I know the whole set of back issues was on CD for a while and I understand the business reasons for discontinuing it. The cost and effort of photocopying issues can hardly be efficient compared to the time taken to burn the same information to CD. How about making CD's of the missing issues available? I promise to buy the issues that are not in my collection.

[John Meachen]

I would also like to get hold of some of the missing copies of Woodenboat. I know the whole set of back issues was on CD for a while and I understand the business reasons for discontinuing it. The cost and effort of photocopying issues can hardly be efficient compared to the time taken to burn the same information to CD. How about making CD's of the missing issues available? I promise to buy the issues that are not in my collection.

[John Meachen]

I would also like to get hold of some of the missing copies of Woodenboat. I know the whole set of back issues was on CD for a while and I understand the business reasons for discontinuing it. The cost and effort of photocopying issues can hardly be efficient compared to the time taken to burn the same information to CD. How about making CD's of the missing issues available? I promise to buy the issues that are not in my collection.

[BrianY]

It's funny you should mention the CD. I was wondering about it too and I emailed the WB folks today to see what the story was. Here's the response I got:

"We are very sorry to tell you the WoodenBoat on CD is no longer available. This and the Professional BoatBuilder on CD became "unprofitable" for us.

When we created these CD sets, we were very careful to reproduce the issues just as the originals, so that what was offered mirrored the paper magazine. Not only does that make for a better product, but it also keeps us within the
copyright laws. And, we believed this to be a great service to readers who find the past issues information invaluable.

Unfortunately, there are people out there who disagree and have claimed copyright infringement. Our legal folks tell us the cost for this to play-out in the courts--win, lose or draw--will dwarf any reasonable expectations of sales/income on the product."

[ 09-17-2004, 04:03 PM: Message edited by: BrianY ]

[BrianY]

It's funny you should mention the CD. I was wondering about it too and I emailed the WB folks today to see what the story was. Here's the response I got:

"We are very sorry to tell you the WoodenBoat on CD is no longer available. This and the Professional BoatBuilder on CD became "unprofitable" for us.

When we created these CD sets, we were very careful to reproduce the issues just as the originals, so that what was offered mirrored the paper magazine. Not only does that make for a better product, but it also keeps us within the
copyright laws. And, we believed this to be a great service to readers who find the past issues information invaluable.

Unfortunately, there are people out there who disagree and have claimed copyright infringement. Our legal folks tell us the cost for this to play-out in the courts--win, lose or draw--will dwarf any reasonable expectations of sales/income on the product."

[ 09-17-2004, 04:03 PM: Message edited by: BrianY ]

[BrianY]

It's funny you should mention the CD. I was wondering about it too and I emailed the WB folks today to see what the story was. Here's the response I got:

"We are very sorry to tell you the WoodenBoat on CD is no longer available. This and the Professional BoatBuilder on CD became "unprofitable" for us.

When we created these CD sets, we were very careful to reproduce the issues just as the originals, so that what was offered mirrored the paper magazine. Not only does that make for a better product, but it also keeps us within the
copyright laws. And, we believed this to be a great service to readers who find the past issues information invaluable.

Unfortunately, there are people out there who disagree and have claimed copyright infringement. Our legal folks tell us the cost for this to play-out in the courts--win, lose or draw--will dwarf any reasonable expectations of sales/income on the product."

[ 09-17-2004, 04:03 PM: Message edited by: BrianY ]

[rbgarr]

These folks have assorted back issues for sale:

http://www.chamblinbookmine.com

http://www.mottsmarinesalvage.com/

[rbgarr]

These folks have assorted back issues for sale:

http://www.chamblinbookmine.com

http://www.mottsmarinesalvage.com/

[rbgarr]

These folks have assorted back issues for sale:

http://www.chamblinbookmine.com

http://www.mottsmarinesalvage.com/

[John Meachen]

I must admit that the thought of copyright infringement had not crossed my mind. It saddens me to think that people are using this as an argument.If the original magazines are out of stock and the cost of a reprint would be impossible to justify then we would be denied the possibility of seeing the work of the people that make such a claim.That is unless we buy the laboriously copied and compiled photocopy.It does not exactly harmonise with Pete Culler's rejoinder to "pass it along" does it?
I suppose that at the time of the unavailable issues,the idea that the information could be easily distributed on a polycarbonate disc was so unlikely that no consideration was given to it.The fact is that mailing a CD as well as copying it is less expensive than the paper copy.I would hope that current writers contracts allow for the possibility that Woodenboat may allow their contributions to be distributed in some form other than the original magazine but still in a form that is regarded as Woodenboat.

[John Meachen]

I must admit that the thought of copyright infringement had not crossed my mind. It saddens me to think that people are using this as an argument.If the original magazines are out of stock and the cost of a reprint would be impossible to justify then we would be denied the possibility of seeing the work of the people that make such a claim.That is unless we buy the laboriously copied and compiled photocopy.It does not exactly harmonise with Pete Culler's rejoinder to "pass it along" does it?
I suppose that at the time of the unavailable issues,the idea that the information could be easily distributed on a polycarbonate disc was so unlikely that no consideration was given to it.The fact is that mailing a CD as well as copying it is less expensive than the paper copy.I would hope that current writers contracts allow for the possibility that Woodenboat may allow their contributions to be distributed in some form other than the original magazine but still in a form that is regarded as Woodenboat.

[John Meachen]

I must admit that the thought of copyright infringement had not crossed my mind. It saddens me to think that people are using this as an argument.If the original magazines are out of stock and the cost of a reprint would be impossible to justify then we would be denied the possibility of seeing the work of the people that make such a claim.That is unless we buy the laboriously copied and compiled photocopy.It does not exactly harmonise with Pete Culler's rejoinder to "pass it along" does it?
I suppose that at the time of the unavailable issues,the idea that the information could be easily distributed on a polycarbonate disc was so unlikely that no consideration was given to it.The fact is that mailing a CD as well as copying it is less expensive than the paper copy.I would hope that current writers contracts allow for the possibility that Woodenboat may allow their contributions to be distributed in some form other than the original magazine but still in a form that is regarded as Woodenboat.

[gert]

become a regular customer at your local used book shop and get on their "email ya if it shows up" list. Yes WB magasines are given up by some

[gert]

become a regular customer at your local used book shop and get on their "email ya if it shows up" list. Yes WB magasines are given up by some

[gert]

become a regular customer at your local used book shop and get on their "email ya if it shows up" list. Yes WB magasines are given up by some

[Big Red]

Yeah I saw that bit about the CD's on the web site before I posted for help. Doesn't make sense to me. Who would be complaining about copyright infringement?

Surely the people who write for WB sell their story/picture, or get a commission for each copy. Wouldn't they be happy to have more copies out there (out here)?

I can't see that an advertiser (the mag is reproduced "as is" on the CD right?) would complain, I mean, its still advertising!

I don't think there is that much of a market for them, that they would worry about people copying them? Just seems like a shame really.

The old back issues are $5 apiece, the photocopied versions are $10.95 :eek:

You know... if the originals were done on a computer, then couldn't they sell me a copy of the issues I wanted, via email? Maybe the How To book is the go :(

[Big Red]

Yeah I saw that bit about the CD's on the web site before I posted for help. Doesn't make sense to me. Who would be complaining about copyright infringement?

Surely the people who write for WB sell their story/picture, or get a commission for each copy. Wouldn't they be happy to have more copies out there (out here)?

I can't see that an advertiser (the mag is reproduced "as is" on the CD right?) would complain, I mean, its still advertising!

I don't think there is that much of a market for them, that they would worry about people copying them? Just seems like a shame really.

The old back issues are $5 apiece, the photocopied versions are $10.95 :eek:

You know... if the originals were done on a computer, then couldn't they sell me a copy of the issues I wanted, via email? Maybe the How To book is the go :(

[Big Red]

Yeah I saw that bit about the CD's on the web site before I posted for help. Doesn't make sense to me. Who would be complaining about copyright infringement?

Surely the people who write for WB sell their story/picture, or get a commission for each copy. Wouldn't they be happy to have more copies out there (out here)?

I can't see that an advertiser (the mag is reproduced "as is" on the CD right?) would complain, I mean, its still advertising!

I don't think there is that much of a market for them, that they would worry about people copying them? Just seems like a shame really.

The old back issues are $5 apiece, the photocopied versions are $10.95 :eek:

You know... if the originals were done on a computer, then couldn't they sell me a copy of the issues I wanted, via email? Maybe the How To book is the go :(

[Bruce Hooke]

Originally posted by Big Red:


Surely the people who write for WB sell their story/picture, or get a commission for each copy. Wouldn't they be happy to have more copies out there (out here)?I'd guess that they got paid a one time fee for the article rather than a per issue commission, so their arguement would be, 'I got paid for it to be printed in a magazine, not for it to be sold on a CD so if it's going to be sold on a CD I want more money' (just as they would expect more money if it got reprinted in a book). I'm not saying that I think this argument is right or wrong, I'm just saying that I think this is what the argument could well be. Of course it only takes objections from a handful of authors from all the people whose writing WoodenBoat has published to create a big rucus.

Originally posted by Big Red:

You know... if the originals were done on a computer, then couldn't they sell me a copy of the issues I wanted, via email? Maybe the How To book is the go :( Given the state of computers when WoodenBoat started publishing and given that the original office was a cabin in the woods with the phone at the end of the road nailed to a tree, I VERY much doubt that the early issues were done on a computer! :D

[Bruce Hooke]

Originally posted by Big Red:


Surely the people who write for WB sell their story/picture, or get a commission for each copy. Wouldn't they be happy to have more copies out there (out here)?I'd guess that they got paid a one time fee for the article rather than a per issue commission, so their arguement would be, 'I got paid for it to be printed in a magazine, not for it to be sold on a CD so if it's going to be sold on a CD I want more money' (just as they would expect more money if it got reprinted in a book). I'm not saying that I think this argument is right or wrong, I'm just saying that I think this is what the argument could well be. Of course it only takes objections from a handful of authors from all the people whose writing WoodenBoat has published to create a big rucus.

Originally posted by Big Red:

You know... if the originals were done on a computer, then couldn't they sell me a copy of the issues I wanted, via email? Maybe the How To book is the go :( Given the state of computers when WoodenBoat started publishing and given that the original office was a cabin in the woods with the phone at the end of the road nailed to a tree, I VERY much doubt that the early issues were done on a computer! :D

[Bruce Hooke]

Originally posted by Big Red:


Surely the people who write for WB sell their story/picture, or get a commission for each copy. Wouldn't they be happy to have more copies out there (out here)?I'd guess that they got paid a one time fee for the article rather than a per issue commission, so their arguement would be, 'I got paid for it to be printed in a magazine, not for it to be sold on a CD so if it's going to be sold on a CD I want more money' (just as they would expect more money if it got reprinted in a book). I'm not saying that I think this argument is right or wrong, I'm just saying that I think this is what the argument could well be. Of course it only takes objections from a handful of authors from all the people whose writing WoodenBoat has published to create a big rucus.

Originally posted by Big Red:

You know... if the originals were done on a computer, then couldn't they sell me a copy of the issues I wanted, via email? Maybe the How To book is the go :( Given the state of computers when WoodenBoat started publishing and given that the original office was a cabin in the woods with the phone at the end of the road nailed to a tree, I VERY much doubt that the early issues were done on a computer! :D

[rbgarr]

As WB's response to the legal problem makes clear, the expense of testing the idea in the courts is a losing bet, so it's a dead issue as far as they are concerned, regardless of what others (authors or readers) might like.

[rbgarr]

As WB's response to the legal problem makes clear, the expense of testing the idea in the courts is a losing bet, so it's a dead issue as far as they are concerned, regardless of what others (authors or readers) might like.

[rbgarr]

As WB's response to the legal problem makes clear, the expense of testing the idea in the courts is a losing bet, so it's a dead issue as far as they are concerned, regardless of what others (authors or readers) might like.