New Project (WOW the air is thin up here ) :)

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

WOW the air is thin up here, I'm not used to the altitude I'm from the bilge, so forgive me if I say something stupid ;)

So here is the new project. A buddy of mine Phil has a nice sailing / rowing skiff that he wants to restore and or possibly get rid of smile.gif . In any event he asked my help store and refinish. So this is my new winter project. What a beautiful boat. She is a gaff rigged (no boom) lapstrake steam bent oak flat bottom skiff built in Mass I wrote down the maker and design (on a lovely bronze plate) but its raining down at the barn and I'm halfway into a nice bottle of wine ready for the Yankee game so it will have to wait till tomorrow smile.gif

Aint I lucky :D
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/pcc1b23b20016ffd223f77781e823a00a/fac3b43b.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/p705fd59c7b1916663dc936fe1e012fac/fac3b441.jpg

[ 10-22-2003, 02:47 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

She is a "Salisbury Skiff" built by Lowell Boat Shop Amesbury, Mass

Bronze Plate on her transom reads:

Lowell Boat Shop (MA)
1988
Built for
David H. Baron
"Salisbury Skiff"

Below it stamped into the wood
Lowell Boat Shop
Amesbury, Mass

She is 15.5 ft LOA according to my tape

here are some photos
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/p6a8971bc1c4841ed5814f5a5d2f992dd/fac25ca3.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/pbca52a659f770e15b9fc3267721c73e4/fac25c8d.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/p789644dcdff23b4b72fca748bcf67db7/fac25c97.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/pfcac2783e2ef06e7872f675e465d13e2/fac25ca7.jpg

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

OK now for some of the questions:
All in all she seems rather well taken care of. So it looks like mostly cosmetic. My plan was to unfasten the seats and hardware and orbital sand and then varnish and paint the hull (I'm thinking white outside and creamy Hatteras white for the inside. Sand and varnish all the bright work. What's the best way to approach a finishing project like this taking into account the Hippocratic oath - First Do No Harm

[JimD]

Sweet boat, Joe. Proceed slowly with caution and care is my only humble advice. Keep us posted

[JimD]

Oh, one other thing, purely personal preference but why white on the outside? I like her with some bold color sort of as she is

[Venchka]

A proper skiff from Lowell's needs paint that has been around for as long as the original design. Kirby Paint. Finest kind! Call George and ask for his traditional as well as current color samples.

[J. Dillon]

Joe , Why creamy white on the inside ? :rolleyes:

Light colors are tough on the eyes.
;)
JD

[John Bell]

I painted the inside of my first boat with Interlux Brightsides'Hatteras' white. Big mistake. It was absolutely blinding in direct sunlight.

I've since found that a light gray is much easier on the eyes, as well as being less prone to show dirt.

My current preference is to paint all surfaces that will see foot traffic a color that matches the local mud, and all other horizontal and vertical surfaces with a very pale gray to cut down on glare while still remaining cool.

[Thad]

Half way into sipping pleasure and couldn't stop yourself going out in the rain for a look at the plate. Good man.

[Bruce Hooke]

Sweet! That's a nice find. Lowell's Boat Shop (http://www.lowellsboatshop.org/) has been in business since 1793, so even though your boat is fairly new it has a great history behind it. The Salisbury Skiff design dates back to 1860's. For more about it go to this web page (http://www.lowellsboatshop.org/boats/rowing_skiff.html) on the Lowell's Boat Shop website.

What condition is the existing paint in? That will in large part determine how you should approach the refinishing process. If the paint is in reasonably good shape then a light sanding may be all that's needed before you start painting. If the paint is in rough shape then it may be best to take it all off. In that case my first choice tools for the job would be a heat gun and scraper.

It looks like some parts are either varnished or oiled. Can you tell which, and are you planning to retain that finish or switch to paint?

As far as paint colors on the interior of the boat go, my usual preference is buff (tan). It is a classic color that is easy on the eyes, but more lively than gray. That said, I think the present paint scheme is rather nice too.

[Venchka]

Here are some pictures of a circa 2002 Lowell outboard skiff for inspiration.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/pe5693f03c9e2d6833bdca3e2fdbd54d4/fac1808d.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/p3be97b938dfc26b44a703a827a75be3f/fac18084.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/p4f658d6500dc2f7e07f7062119f632f9/fac18076.jpg

The skiff design dates back to 1860. Kirby Paint dates to 1847. It is entirely plausible that the original boat had Kirby Paint. 'Nuff said.

[Aramas]

I like the coppery paint on the bottom - very salty smile.gif

[imported_Conrad]

Joe- I can't believe you aren't in at least one of those great shots. ;) Sweet boat- forget the white. :D

[Todd Bradshaw]

If I had it I'd cut off one of my ears and paint it like this:
http://www.mystudios.com/art/post/van-gogh/van-gogh-fishing-boats-1888.jpg
Plus, you can get away with big swirly brush marks!

[Meerkat]

Wow! Who knew Vincent did seascapes! I wonder if that's the Med or the Atlantic and if those bow decorations are authentic or artist's license?

Todd - keep the ear! ;)

[cs]

Another Van Gogh fan. He is only the greatest that ever lived.

Joe, welcome topside.

First I would spend some quality time cleaning her up and once I did that I would spend some more time going over every piece in her and checking for problems. Once you have identified any potential problems than you can proced with repairs.

Chad

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

So you guys are not going for the white & bright wood hull with the Creamy white inside foot well area (she is kinda creamy white now) I just kinda liked the look of white lapstrakes better than red seems to me more classical and pure. The contrast in the lapstrake lines agents the partially white and the bright wood last strake. Ill think about it but I have miles of sanding to go before I sleep :D . So what's the best method to remove all the seats and hardware. All the fasteners are bronze wood screws (are they bedded in anything? Should I bed them when I put them back ?? ) Also how do I sand inside of the gunwale can I remove that interior slat and then put it back??. My thinking is remove EVERYTHING just this side of taking apart the hull sand and varnish each piece separately with at least 6 coats. Then replace it all possibly bed the screws then one overall coat of varnish and mask & paint the hull (red or white) I will keep the copper bottom paint regardless I like the salty look. Also while were on the subject the mast has a leather around where it steps into the forward mast hole. The leather looks to be in good condition but a little bit dry is there some product to refinish it. Also recommendations for bronze cleaning should I just leave them green or brighten them only to have them turn back to green ? - That's enough for now Ill be back smile.gif

[Donn]

Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
So you guys are not going for the white & bright wood hull with the Creamy white inside foot well area (she is kinda creamy white now) I just kinda liked the look of white lapstrakes better than red seems to me more classical and pure. The contrast in the lapstrake lines agents the partially white and the bright wood last strake. Ill think about it but I have miles of sanding to go before I sleep :D .

I like white laps, too, and a gray or buff interior.

So what's the best method to remove all the seats and hardware. All the fasteners are bronze wood screws (are they bedded in anything? Should I bed them when I put them back ?? )

[/i]Probably not bedded in anything, and no need to.[/i]

Also how do I sand inside of the gunwale can I remove that interior slat and then put it back??.

"Inside of the gunwale" between the outwale and inwale ("that interior slat"). There are a number of ways to sand in there, depending on how wide the space is and what tools you have. A Multimaster with the finger sanding attachment will reach some of it. A sanding drum in a drill will reach some of it. You can wrap sandpaper around a hand tool like a file, or a scrap of wood. You'd have to tell us how the inwale and outwale are fastened for us to discuss taking it apart.

..Also while were on the subject the mast has a leather around where it steps into the forward mast hole. The leather looks to be in good condition but a little bit dry is there some product to refinish it.

Same stuff you'd use on a shoe or a baseball (GO FISH!) glove. Saddle soap, leather oil, etc..

Also recommendations for bronze cleaning should I just leave them green or brighten them only to have them turn back to green ? - That's enough for now Ill be back smile.gif

I'd clean them (like the medallion) lightly with plain old soap, and leave them green.

[Bruce Taylor]

I just kinda liked the look of white lapstrakes better than red seems to me more classical and pure.On a Whitehall, maybe...a big-boned skiff like this one wants a bold colour scheme. The existing topsides look good to me.

I painted this summer's boat (lapstrake ply.) w/ an exterior latex colour called "Red Letter Day," and I adore it. A painter friend was so taken with it she chose the same colour for her studio.

But for this boat, I'd listen to Wayne & use a traditional paint like Kirby's.

[DougC]

Joe, very nice boat. Is her bottom planked fore-aft (dory style)? John Gardner has an article about a very similar "Amesbury Skiff" (I think it's in his "Classic Small Craft you Can Build" (?)) Worth looking up. I really like these boats. I'm in the city now, so if you're up for a visitor drop me a line.

Todd, thanks for posting the Van Gogh. Always loved that painting , but now I realize that those boats are dories! I believe that painting was from his Arles period, so it would be the Mediterranean. What a great idea to build one of those. Anyone know what's going on with their rigs?
Doug

[J. Dillon]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/p4200523a63687054b091344cdf9e8a96/fac0d80b.jpg
A lateen rig

Joe , If ya can find a way to make bright work stay polished and "bright" your fortune is made

JD

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

For those who asked about the flat bottom. Some more information and photos.

The bottom below waterline is glassed over. The CB is Aluminum.

Questions what grit on my orbital sander should I start with? I also have a B&D Mouse sander for the nooks and crannies

Oh and of course a photo of me and a couple of Tess just for Arial ;)

Bottom Skeg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/p244e8f881bf23da477fa65707139d924/fabec24f.jpg

Forward bottom
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/pd37a931613c3f00a3fa5acd9120b7f21/fabec253.jpg

Of Course me
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/peb97643912f8d50165f58fc32cfea8e6/fabec263.jpg

Tess @ The helm
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/pe388fc69bd5a34285fcfb1c492aa5910/fabec29e.jpg

[ 10-24-2003, 05:28 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Donn]

Joe...I learned some interesting stuff about your boat today. Holzbt (Roger) built those side benches that Tess is sitting on. He knows quite a bit about the boat's history, but he hasn't been posting much. Email him at holzboat@aol.com

[Art Read]

A couple of thoughts about removing all that stuff to refinish. Yes, it would make your life a lot simpler. But they don't appear to have been designed to be "removeable". If the wood itself is good, backing out all those fasteners, breaking the seal/bedding between the parts and loosening up the whole structure needlessly seems a bit "drastic". Imagine taking off those inwales. You're almost done when the last, (or two, or three...) screw strips out, or worse, twists off. Now you'll be back here asking about "easy outs" and filling old fastener holes! Even if they come right out, they aren't gonna hold as well when you put 'em back in unless you step up a size. How many times can you do that before you start spliting wood? It's a pain in the ass, but I'd just remove the hardware and any other truely removeable parts and sand and scrape and bust your knuckles around all those other nooks and crannies. Better yet, call Holzbt! He'll know what's best...

(Oh, and definatly use Kirby's paint... Whatever color scheme you use. You won't be sorry!)

[oldriverat]

Nice lookin boat Joe. Good luck with it.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Art I spoke to Holzbt! via email, thanks Donn. He said no problem removing the seats. Looking at the inwales they are riveted so I will not be removing them. One question I have is sandpaper what should be the starting Grit to get the old varnish off. I'm Starting work on it today - Yippy :D

[cs]

Joe its kinda hard to say what to start with cause I can't see tell the condition of the wood (it looks good though).

I would think that first you may want to scrap away first and may even use a heat gun while scrapping. After that than start looking at sanding. You may want to look at starting at about 100 (certainly no less than 80) but this can be a pretty aggrasive sanding if you are not careful.

Chad

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

OK so I got a chance to get some work done on the boat. I removed all the hardware, thwarts and I didn't even strip any bronze screws. I even removed the aluminum CB. LOTS AND LOTS OF SANDING. I have many miles to sand before I sail :D

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/p89bcb0eed0a586253e8dee4fe0a62d88/fab3a07d.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/p343aa7ec9482fcdf4f91c51c006ab465/fab3a084.jpg


http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/p795efe06508f3482931859cb70dc4f6f/fab3a08f.jpg


http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid85/p2b9b0d5f0f3ff7945fb92b94e63006e1/fab3a0a1.jpg

[ 10-29-2003, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Donn]

In the third pic, I see three helpers and a supervisor (laying down). I didn't know you had a shop crew!

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

:D

[Dave Hadfield]

Joe, if I were you I'd have the owner over when the boat is looking at its absolute worst and most unassembled (sawdust everywhere, no paint on yet, varnish rough-scraped), and then buy it.

Otherwise once you get her done you'll be hearing, "Gee you've done a nice job on my boat. Thanks a lot. Would you like to sail her sometime?"

I did something like this with a canoe once. It was a derelict, stripped of its canvas and decks all rotten, but most of the planking and ribs were good and the lines were perfect. I wanted to establish ownership before I put in the labour. I asked him how much he wanted for it, but he wouldn't take money. Finally I offered him a $30 bottle of Burgundy (this was 1988) and he said "Deal!"

She hangs in my garage, and I admire her lines often.

[Bruce Taylor]

Thanks for explaining my neighbour to me, Dave. I gave him a couple of boats, this summer -- an old Sunfish and the world's ugliest runabout--and he kept trying to force money into my hands. He spent half the summer and over a thousand $$ restoring the Sunfish...and I think he's figured out why I wouldn't take his money. smile.gif

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Funny you should say that Dave. I started working on her yesterday and I was thinking the same thing. But its hard with a sweet looking boat like this to ugly her up. Also the owner came by to lend a hand sanding and learning. He said he paid $5,000 for the boat 10 years ago and was thinking of DONATING her to a kids sailing school or something. I suggested he DONATE her to Joe (CSOH) and he said he would if he could claim the $12,000 donation on his taxes :( He did say I will probably get more use out of her than he will. He also wants to sponsor me into the Garrison Yacht Club, which is a very exclusive yacht club. The club is a working club and He said the club could use someone of my skills. He also has a 50's wooden runabout that needs restoration. The thing is even if he doesn't donate this boat to me I would still enjoy working on her and the Yacht club sponsorship is worth the social connections for the real estate business. There is something about working on boats that makes me feel good. I cant help it

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

More Sanding today :eek:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid86/p5e217207cd63b7ca21c3bd86ccd3e4a1/fab1e157.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid86/pd09ae37606e07e667263d7196b77a25f/fab1e160.jpg

[Donn]

Such a pretty shape. I know it's an optical confusion, but doesn't it look more swept in to the transom in one pic than in the other?

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Yea there more swept in to the transom like the other pic. I took one pic on a chair that looses the sweep. But trust me she has sweet lines :D

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Beautiful day out today so I decided to sharpen the pencil :D Going back out Sheeh at this rate I may be painting & varnishing by next week hmmmmmm late fall sail ???? :D

Donn get cracking on that Jersey skiff of yours I wanna race ya next season ;) Row or Sail your choice smile.gif

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid86/pfdd4108a978b7546fa475d4caf6bfa56/faaffd32.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid86/paa9b16992b95d3feca59bff8e893a1c8/faaffd49.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid86/p7433c777c8e773c07500fa42001ac664/faaffd57.jpg

[JimD]

I wouldn't wanna row either of those things very far. Donn, go for the sail :D

[Donn]

I've heard that the Sea Brights row very well. This one, however, won't be any nearer to the water than it is now for quite some time. 2005, at the earliest.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Donn, ya need me to come over and give ya hand ;) I'll get her in the water for ya by next spring :D . Ill bring my electric hand plainer and orbital sanders and rayobi mouse sander. I tell ya this skiff looks like it will row great too. But I tell you who I would not want to row agents, Gunnar :eek: I have rowed with him and THAT MAN CAN ROW :eek:

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

First Coat of varnish on smile.gif
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/pf6c76fa43d97c5ea1550949f15c3ab9f/fa6081aa.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p746071ab1cf39d0c66f76a32cf120e3f/fa60819d.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p5111c4f2356427fd6335c0e53c1643c5/fa608196.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/pc3740487bbad1e8c9092e4a583706cef/fa60817d.jpg

Now I will flip her and light sand the hull and repaint then Varnish/Sand Varish/Sand Varish/Sand Varish/Sand Varnish ;)

[Bruce Hooke]

Looking good! :cool:

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Thanks, the only thing I'm disappointed in and I eventually had to let it go was some of the discoloration in the oak. I kept sanding and could never get rid of it. I didn't want to compromise the boat for the look of total clean wood. Some people say they like the discoloration it makes it look salty. I look at the photos of New Salisbury Skiffs and I like that perfect glossy wood look. Too late now to go back. It does look 100# fresher than when it arrived in my shop.

[Alan D. Hyde]

She IS a beauty.

Well done, Joe.

Keep us posted, please.

Alan

[Ken Buck]

Hey, how did I miss out on this thread?!
Must have been dozing... smile.gif

As you know by now, it's a Salisbury Pt. Skiff
built by Lowell's Boat Shop, and it's a nice and
well-built boat. Looks like you're making good
progress on bringing it back to life.

For the record, the boat pics above posted
by "Venchka" are of a LBS "Amesbury Skiff" at
the 2002 Wooden Boat Show in Rockland, Maine.
(That's my photo album sitting on the thwarts smile.gif )
They're related, but the Amesbury makes a good
outboard boat, while the Salisbury Pt. is nicer
for rowing or sailing. Both boats are built with
standard dory construction, cedar on oak frames,
bottom planked lengthwise, mahogany thwarts, etc.

Here are some pics below of a Salisbury Pt. skiff
being built a few years ago by builder Peter Gibb
at the shop:

http://www.tuckershobbies.com/lowellsboatshop/general/images/16_lbs_salisburypt1.jpg

http://www.tuckershobbies.com/lowellsboatshop/general/images/17_lbs_salisburypt2.jpg

http://www.tuckershobbies.com/lowellsboatshop/general/images/18_lbs_salisburypt3.jpg

And here's one just being finished up in the
paint room:

http://www.tuckershobbies.com/lowellsboatshop/general/images/27_lbs_paintshop_salisburypt.jpg

Last, here's another one, exhibited at the 2003 WB Show.
This one was built in 1988 and was in fantastic
shape, just as good as new. Shows you the difference
good maintenance makes...
It also shows what a white hull looks like, but
frankly, I prefer the darker colors - the
"standard" Lowell's scheme for these is Interlux
Malachy Green for the hull, and the now-discontinued
Miami Tan for the interior, with brightwork trim
in all the right places...

http://tuckershobbies.com/lowellsboatshop/wbs2003/gallery/images/02_booth2.jpg

[ 12-05-2003, 08:28 PM: Message edited by: Ken Buck ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

WOW Ken thanks do you work for Lowel ?

[Ken Buck]

not quite smile.gif
but I'm a repeat customer and have spent a fair amount of time hanging around the shop. if you've never been there, it's worth a visit sometime...

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

OK so I have some progress on the skiff. I finished all the interior sanding and put 1.5 coats of varnish on. I flipped her over, man she is heavy

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid93/p55480b4d403a220a48aff74489242e12/fa3d7139.jpg

So now I'm starting on the hull. I have lightly sanded the entire hull and I have a couple of concerns before I start masking and painting.

One is there is a gap in the skeg. My question is should I mix a little epoxy and some wood flour fill and fair smooth and paint or is there a better way also should I put a layer of fiberglass along the whole skeg just as an extra protection from beaching in the future. The bottom of the hull was and is glassed up to about the green bottom paint.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid96/p35b4db3702d987248c5fb92cff92286a/fa20145c.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid96/p8b3e77486b1aa931e37a5d851eb4bf58/fa201467.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid96/p561a0785e43c4195411ee935f1f61c9a/fa201473.jpg

The other place of concern is at the bow plate also a heavily abused part of the boat. What should be done there?
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid96/pd43b62fe0085ea69027761d7f5d3b4a0/fa201492.jpg

Lastly - Painting I have lightly sanded the entire hull and we managed to locate the original paint for the hull and the interior.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid96/p6011b9217b0128ee9e68efbb61db60a8/fa201499.jpg

We will be using the same paint, but I was unable to locate the green bottom paint any one have an idea what to use. Also application can I just paint over the green bottom paint or do I have to remove it all together (a real drag if I have too ). Any overall painting tips will be appreciated.

[ 12-31-2003, 03:10 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Donn]

The bottom paint looks just like mine:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid31/pd6dcc1d60b007d8fa2cf075a20a56bfd/fd4aa044.jpg

It's Pettit Horizons green.

[Stiletto]

My fifteen year old son likes the low profile tyres on the blue car in the background :rolleyes: . I think the boat looks great. tongue.gif

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by Stiletto:
My fifteen year old son likes the low profile tyres on the blue car in the background :rolleyes: . I think the boat looks great. tongue.gif The car is a Audi A-4 Quatro and yea it is cool :D

But no one has answered my other seriouse questions ?????

[Wild Dingo]

Like...

Who are all those people standing around the yard with their backs to everything? :eek: mmmmmm even the dog seems confused! ;) ... oh I know!! given your dressed like an eskimo and both you and Tess seem to be shiverin like billio theyre your front line of defence against those pesky "project boat eating shasquach thingys" you gets up there eh?! :D

Oh nice boat too mate! good score! :cool:

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

BUMP Questions please

I have lightly sanded the entire hull and I have a couple of concerns before I start masking and painting. ( SEE PHOTOS ON PAGE 1 OF THIS THREAD )

One is there is a gap in the skeg. My question is should I mix a little epoxy and some wood flour fill and fair smooth and paint or is there a better way also should I put a layer of fiberglass along the whole skeg just as an extra protection from beaching in the future. The bottom of the hull was and is glassed up to about the green bottom paint.
( SEE PHOTOS ON PAGE 1 OF THIS THREAD )

The other place of concern is at the bow plate also a heavily abused part of the boat. What should be done there?
( SEE PHOTOS ON PAGE 1 OF THIS THREAD )

Lastly - Painting I have lightly sanded the entire hull and we managed to locate the original paint for the hull and the interior.

We will be using the same paint, but I was unable to locate the green bottom paint any one have an idea what to use. Also application can I just paint over the green bottom paint or do I have to remove it all together (a real drag if I have too ). Any overall painting tips will be appreciated.

[ 01-01-2004, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Donn]

Joe...I answered part of your paint question yesterday.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Thank you Donn I jotted down the paint its on the shopping list. The closest I could find is this. What do ya think ?

http://www.westmarine.com/images/full/05844_f.jpg

I was concerned about the prep for that bottom paint do I just roller it on over the existing bottom paint? Also I had a few questions regarding fixing the skeg - I'm rip raring to get some work done and start the new year off working on wooden boats :D . Additionally, Donn in looking at your photo of Loon's bottom paint it looks a bit lighter in color than my skiffs is it actual COPPER bottom paint? I think the skiff's is since it seems to have a patina and is a bit dusty to the touch and I had to use a heavy respirator when I was sanding it

[ 01-01-2004, 01:03 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Donn]

I hired out Loon's bottom painting last year, but did the prep work. I just scuffed the old paint with a 3M scouring pad. The painters just rolled the new on over the old, and cut in the edges with cruddy old brushes.

The paint is "75% cuprous oxide. Allows controlled release of copper over time. Can be launched and re-launched without repainting. Can be painted up to 12 months before launching. Excellent for trailered boat."

[adampet]

Joe,
It looks as if the bow has a copper plate to protect it from the inevitable effects of grounding. If the copper is in okay shape, just paint it and thank the foresight of the builders. Another thought is to add a strip of bronze half-round that follows the outer stem around to the bottom.

I'm not sure that I'd let the gap in the skeg bother me. The boat has dried up, being out of water for so long. Something as hard as epoxy might cause undue stress when the wood swells. Again a strip of bronze half round would probably fit the bill. Remember that the skeg needs to be replaceable if damaged.

About the only way to prevent wear at stem and skeg is never use the boat or never let it touch the beach. smile.gif
One of my friends with a very nice whitehall always anchors out in water deep enough to float the boat. I tend to run up on the beach and end up renewing the stem and skeg bronzes.

Say Hi to Gunnar if you have any contact with him.
Adam

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Went to Brewers marine hardware store in Mamaroneck yesterday to pick up paint. Got 2 out of the three needed. It seems that Rule Gloucester #107 Permanent Red is no longer manufactured since Interlux took over Rule. And all the Interlux reds were eater too dark red or too bright red. Im looking at the kirby #21 Rich Red

http://www.kirbypaint.com/products/color_chart.html

Im also going to make a call to Lowel and see what they say - after all of you guys telling me to keep her red I want to keep her the EXACT or as close to it as I can. What do you guys think?

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

This is what I did between working at the real estate office and posting down in the bilge while the paint dried ( wireless laptop in the boat barn is key :D )

I painted the Skiff. It seems there was almost a full pint in the old can. A little topside paint goes a long way.

Donn thanks for the bottom paint info, it matched dead on

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid97/pe8d2c4789edbbabc543d1fdc5cc3da55/fa0e02b1.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid97/p5adaecc56a1ffeee301868c99f7c0274/fa0e029d.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid97/p82dbc39f0a865d531e551ee0b99b3e89/fa0e0290.jpg

[Donn]

That's purty. Isn't the bootstripe a little thin?

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Donn, please excuse my ignorance up here but what is a bootstripe ?

[Donn]

Look back at the bottom of page 1, where I posted the pic of Loon's bottom paint. The bootstripe is the white stripe at the waterline, between the bottom's green, and the hull's red.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Ah there was never any line on this boat. I just followed the old line's by hand No masking tape :eek: and no coffee :D Ya think she should have a bootstripe ??

[Steve Paskey]

Nice work, Joe.

A quick question. You mention that the bottom is glassed on the outside. Did you look closely at the inside, the part that was painted white when you got it? I'm betting that there's a layer of epoxy under that paint. In other words, the bottom is probably sheathed in epoxy on both sides.

As I understand it, this has been standard practice at Lowell for some time. In fact, the one boat I've seen looked like they POURED a fairly thick layer of epoxy inside the boat, rather than simply brushing it on.

The boat was an 18' Lowell swampscott sailing dory that I bought a couple of years ago. In the course of fixing her up, the previous owner -- someone who should have known better -- put fresh paint on the inside, and covered over cracks in the epoxy.

I found the cracks six months later, and there were several areas of serious rot in the bottom where water had seeped through the cracks. In the end I gave the boat back to the former owner and got a full refund.

[ 01-05-2004, 08:03 PM: Message edited by: Steve Paskey ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

YUP Steve you are correct. I have already decided to fill the few cracks on the inside floor of the skiff. I did the same prep with the outside bottom of the skiff. I used a little epoxy and fixed and filled all the gouges and cracks then sanded the hull fair before painting.

[ 01-05-2004, 08:11 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Flipped and back on the trailer. I near froze my A$$ off taking these photos for you guys smile.gif

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid98/p22b6e92f8d063dfa306d168325ba39b9/fa01e463.jpg

[ 03-07-2004, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Almost done :D Starting final assembly

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid106/p886131d6408f5979ae09e58bc86ec687/f96a3bbf.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid106/p2e0bcca265903c3cf8de3a5af9d18b59/f96a3bd6.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid106/p5c8c0a81be228ec1606cf9ca9a7dfda8/f96a3be0.jpg

[Domesticated_Mr. Know It All]

Looks great Joe.
Nice pics. smile.gif

[Scott Rosen]

Looks great.

[brian.cunningham]

:cool:

[abe]

You have done a fine job, Joe. I am certain the folks at Lowells would agree.

abe

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Progress getting close to Spash time :D

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid109/p3e5c2b3b39ba75ee4e94d6bba5359459/f927cd0f.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid109/p489afb7aee3d12433da5e515977a1392/f927cd1c.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid109/pcf4a6ae17f8013f396059fe3f2df67c6/f927cd20.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid109/p4b3b681880b4538f50090286cb2cd622/f927cd31.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid109/p34e5dfcc6abbeaf048181e585f55c8b3/f927cd38.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid109/pc8db824b5a10437610a32be1b3618bd7/f927cd15.jpg

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Working on a name and design for the Skiff to put on the transom what do you guys think ?

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid110/p0deaeb2f33d2988ded083ead3c79b731/f92161dd.jpg

The yellow represents Gold Foil with a red outline to match the red topside and a black drop shadow

Anouther question;
How do you go about naming a boat I did a little googling and of course there are other boats named Storm King. So whats the rule ??

For example this Motor boat ( nice one at that ) had 3 versions of Storm King

http://geocities.com/dodiknapp/StormKing.html

<a href="http://www.spoonercentral.com/knapphistory/SKTODAY.HTML" target="_blank">http://www.spoonercentral.com/knapphistory/SKTODAY.HTML[/UR L]

Mystic Island NJ has a charter Called Storm King
[URL=http://www.scottsbt.com/boating/stormking/stormking.htm]http://www.scottsbt.com/boating/stormking/stormking.htm[/UR L]

Oregon has an Interesting History of an 1880 Vesel "Storm King"
[URL=http://oregonstate.edu/~readw/January1880.html]http://oregonstate.edu/~readw/January1880.html</a>

[ 04-04-2004, 04:39 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[imported_Steven Bauer]

I think it's a box with a red x in it. :(

Steven

[rbgarr]

Looks great, Joe. Don't worry about duplicating the name. It happens all the time. There are three MARANATHAs in my harbor. (Does anyone know what that means? Greek or Bible reference perhaps? A place?)

On 12/31/03 you wrote, "I finished all the interior sanding and put 1.5 coats of varnish on."

What I want to know is how you put on a half coat of varnish?? Sounds like a time-saver I'd want to try!

;) :D

Enjoy the skiff-

[ 04-04-2004, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: rbgarr ]

[brian.cunningham]

Nice paint/varnish scheme, came out real nice.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Ok this is odd. Computer geeks please assist.
On my Mac laptop the image of the type "STORM KING" in all its color glory and transom curved font showes up on my screen when viewing this web page. But then someone posted that all they saw was a red X. So at work I jumped on a PC and shure enough all I see is a red X also when I go to my Image Station on the PC I see only a red x but on my Mac. Laptop it all look OK?? Whats the deal ???

[rbgarr]

Just shows the limitations of non-Macs... :D ;)

[Pernicious Atavist]

joe, if i recollect proper, we have a storm awning company down here called storm king.
anyway, i have JUST the place to sail that boat...let's say, i keep her HERE for you so she gets the PROPER TREATMENT she needs YEAR-'ROUND? :D

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Ok lets try this again. I need to work a bit more on the scale and the curve but this is a rough idea. What do you think?

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid110/pbabe320c92111823762d0859184af9ef/f91ebb56.jpg

Curved ( not perfect )

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid110/pd3c78df9c17bffa46ba355cf39e4ead9/f91ebb5c.jpg

[rbgarr]

When I wanted to put a name on my curved raked transom, I taped a sheet of paper to it and sketched out a curve, style and size for the letters so it looked right to my eye. I then took the piece of paper to a vinyl lettering place and asked them to create a vinyl name 'strip' in the font I liked. Not too expensive, easy and quick to apply, and still looks great eight years later.

[imported_Steven Bauer]

More red x's Joe. Is it just me?

Steven

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by Steven Bauer:
More red x's Joe. Is it just me?

StevenDarn it all looks fine to me and the photo's are taken from my imagestation as usual :(

[ 04-05-2004, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

DONE !!!!!

Next photos you will see will be sailing and the Lettering Done smile.gif

Whew Ok now on to the next project, the Weekender :eek: http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid110/p5b9f349d02a2ed722484a81326e77d87/f91e4ccd.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid110/p3d50adb48e24bad33b55f2aed0c1393a/f91e4ccf.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid110/p1a208756d1c43d46f835ed96c0c3f6bf/f91e4cd6.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid110/pb681aa7cb9e1bd690bf1683022cb4709/f91e4cdf.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid110/p07d0e617e7d913a0eb731af27dccf803/f91e4ce8.jpg

[imported_Steven Bauer]

I've got 'em now. But when I came home for lunch they weren't working. I like the curved ones but you're right, they need a little tweeking.

Steven