Steamboats

[martin schulz]

This wekend there will be a "Steam-all-around" in Flensburg.
Yesterday I took some pics out of my officewindow :D :

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid176/p65bc2d69dd99a45fb40da9ff5a1f0095/f35e76a6.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid176/p91d8ec70d288b95c150855533410ccdc/f35e7702.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid176/p23e441526111ff3c2e731a860b062d46/f35e7715.jpg

Apart from the Steanships (tugs, ferries, paddlewheeler,...) 2 Steamlocomotive's, Steamroller and stationary Steammachines will come.

[ 07-07-2005, 09:42 AM: Message edited by: martin schulz ]

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

What are those handsome little ships, Martin?

In Britain besides tugs we have the paddle steamer "Waverley" (which has just had a new hull - you can do that with steel!) and a rather splendid triple expansion steam ship called the Shieldhall, which spent most of her life hauling sewage out to sea but is now lovingly cared for by a bunch of enthusiasts - plus of course some with no boiler certificates, but they don't count!

[martin schulz]

Lets see:

http://www.holgersimonsen.de/dampf03/dampf05g.jpg

This is the Icebreaking Tug STETTIN:
http://www.holgersimonsen.de/dampf03/dampf09g.jpg

The STETTIN and in front the danish island-supplier SKELSKØR

http://www.holgersimonsen.de/dampf03/dampf06g.jpg

The SKELSKØR and behind the Flensburg based "Parloursteamer" ALEXANDRA

http://www.holgersimonsen.de/dampf03/dampf10g.jpg

ALEXSANDRA

http://www.holgersimonsen.de/dampf03/dampf01g.jpg

The Steamtug WAL

http://www.holgersimonsen.de/dampf03/dampf26g.jpg

The "buoysetter" (don't know the correct english expression) KAPITÄN MEYER

http://www.holgersimonsen.de/dampf03/dampf27g.jpg

[martin schulz]

The Hamburg coastboard steamer SCHARHÖRN:

http://www.holgersimonsen.de/dampf03/dampf29g.jpg

But as I said, those show up as well:

http://www.holgersimonsen.de/dampf03/dampf15g.jpg

http://www.holgersimonsen.de/dampf03/dampf18g.jpg


http://www.holgersimonsen.de/dampf03/dampf20g.jpg

http://www.holgersimonsen.de/dampf03/dampf22g.jpg

http://www.holgersimonsen.de/dampf03/dampf23g.jpg

[ 07-07-2005, 10:35 AM: Message edited by: martin schulz ]

[mmd]

Re: KAPITÄN MEYER - We call them 'buoy tenders' around here, as in, ships that tend to buoys.

Edit to add: SCHARHORN is a really attractive ship. Lovely to see. Thanks for posting.

[ 07-07-2005, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: mmd ]

[martin schulz]

Originally posted by mmd:
Edit to add: SCHARHORN is a really attractive ship. Lovely to see. Thanks for posting.There is a funny story about the SCHARHÖRN. The Hamburg senate (consisting of 13 members) were desperately trying to get a representative steamship to take part (actually to show off) in the Kieler Woche (Kiel week). Unfortunately the Hamburg citizenry denied the request, thinking it an unnecessary and expensive expenditure. The senate then ordered a Steamship for the coastal-board to patrol the Hamburg waterways.

Funny though that when this "working boat" was finished it had a large Parlour with large windows and exactly 13 soft cushioned armchairs. Of course the citizenry saw through the fraud and actually commanded the steamship to patrol the coast.

[ 07-07-2005, 10:45 AM: Message edited by: martin schulz ]

[martin schulz]

Oh I forgot the dutch NOORDZEE

http://www.flensburger-dampf-rundum.de/Bilder_Schiffe/2_Schiife_002.jpg

[seafox]

Wonderfull photos

you mentioned a paddle wheeler also is there?

thankyou for this thread
jeffery

[Hwyl]

Great pictures, is that a beer bottle on yor office window sill?

I have more ambivalence about steam engines than almost anything else. The romantic side of me loves the brass, he smell, the simple understandable system, the quiet (almost) power.

The logical asthmatic side of me hates the smoke and inneficiency.

[martin schulz]

Originally posted by Hwyl:
Great pictures, is that a beer bottle on yor office window sill?

I have more ambivalence about steam engines than almost anything else. The romantic side of me loves the brass, he smell, the simple understandable system, the quiet (almost) power.

The logical asthmatic side of me hates the smoke and inneficiency.1. Nope those are actually 2 bottles with Rum
2. True. As much as I like those ships it is a bit straining to breath all that smoke the last days. There is even a thin layer of coal smut on my varnished mohagony :( . Hard to imagine how it was back then when in a harbour like Flensburg every vessel not under sails were puffing smoke.

[martin schulz]

seafox!

This is the paddlewheeler FREYA

http://www.flensburger-dampf-rundum.de/Bilder_Schiffe/Motiv010.jpg

Unfortunately like everything the city of Kiel does its more show than real. They like to show off with this flashy boat and most of the people don't get it, but if you look closely the boat also has a prop in the back and an ugly diesel engine exhaust :( .
Don't get me wrong the boat was built 1904 as a regular steamship, but when they restored it they thought that it doesn't matter how the boat is driven. They were probably right judged by the impressed crowd.
:( :(

[ 07-08-2005, 07:13 AM: Message edited by: martin schulz ]

[Hughman]

Very nice, thanks! smile.gif

[Garrett Lowell]

Thanks Martin. And now I have a dumb question.

Why do all of the ships and tugs have masts? For antennae? The occasional sail or signal flags?

[yorgie]

Another great show Martin.Flensburg looks like a real old working port.

Chris

[htom]

Great photos. I had no idea that there were steamers of that size still afloat.

[THX712517]

http://www.ulster.net/~hrmm/steamboats/powell/powell_photo.jpg

A local from my old living joint, something quite nice. Not quite like those ocean-faring fellows you've got there, but still quite nice, fast, and distinguished. (Raced the Herreshoff Stiletto once)

[Nicholas Carey]

Hey, Martin!

Here's a Puget Sound-based steamship you ought to like. She's currently Burmah Queen, ex Clutha, ex Wasserschutzpolizei 5. She was built in 1926 as a police boat for the city of Hamburg. Here's a couple of pages about her (http://www.raddampfer-kaiser-wilhelm.de/verein/Mitgliederbericht/Burmah/seite-1.htm):

http://www.tuppers.com/sevenbells/images/P0000473.jpg

http://www.raddampfer-kaiser-wilhelm.de/verein/Mitgliederbericht/Burmah/bilder/mtg-4-g.jpg

[ 07-08-2005, 03:28 PM: Message edited by: Nicholas Carey ]

[preston]

The Burmah Queen's cool. She's got a steam siren!

Preston

[Hans Friedel]

This boat operates the water I use to sail when I was a kid when she blowed her whistle 18.00 we knew we had to stop sailing and go home

Her name is Mariefred

Here are som more boats

http://www.steamesteem.com/index.html?steamships/blidosu nd (http://www.steamesteem.com/index.html?steamships/blidosund)

Hans

http://www.steamesteem.com/steamships/pictures/SE_Mariefred_1.jpg

[ 07-08-2005, 04:07 PM: Message edited by: Hans Friedel ]

[Paul Scheuer]

Re: funny story about the SCHARHÖRN.

In this case, a little graft and corruption could be forgiven.

[MarkC]

Don't get me wrong the boat was built 1904 as a regular steamship, but when they restored it they thought that it doesn't matter how the boat is driven. I remember a documentary about the man who runs the restored steamers in Dresden. He said he would have them all under steam but he could not find anyone to stoke - man the shovels, for any price! - mind you, in summer...

But that is no excuse to mount a prop where perfectly good paddles exist - diesel can power paddles.

[Frank E. Price]

Wholly smokes, Martin! First question that comes to mind is, how do you get any work done with all that out front?

Frank

[martin schulz]

Originally posted by Garrett Lowell:
Thanks Martin. And now I have a dumb question.

Why do all of the ships and tugs have masts? For antennae? The occasional sail or signal flags?Being not an expert I asked Andrew :D

Martin,

Early steam ships carried three masts with square rig but the disadvantages soon became apparent (smoke and smuts getting on the sails and the main mast is where the boilers and engine want to be!)

The rig was simplified to a topsail schooner rig, by abolishing the middle mast. This gace just enough sail area to get home in the event of the shaft breaking (which was what early steamship people most feared) without the sails getting in the way of the funnel. It also became easy to put the wheel in a "wheel house" on a "bridge deck" (so called because it bridged the two sides of the hull) amidships.

By about 1890 the square yards were left ashore, and staysails and trysails were carried as a "get you home" arrangement.

Derricks were rigged off the masts for cargo work because the old sailing ship methods of rigginsg for cargo work depended on square yards, and not to be forgotten the two masts allowed for two masthead lights after these were brought in (forgot which Colregs, but can look it up)

Hope that helps

Cheers

Andrew