NEW FREE BOAT

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

OK guys here we go again. smile.gif Long Dingo like story :D . I live in a town on the cusp between old timers and new young families like ourselves. The old-timers are a cantankerous bunch a little backwoods but I never had a problem with them. Until yesterday seems there was this local referendum to be passed regarding our K-12 school. Essentially the school needs to be expanded and upgraded it the same old school that it was 50 years ago. The old-timers were adamant and down rite hostile towards the expansion calling all of us carpet baggers and the such. Typical small town stuff. My wife and I handed out YES buttons and stickers at the polls yesterday and endured the wrath of the old-timers. We were a bit down last night thinking that we loosed due to the overwhelming negative response we got at the polls. But then at 9:00 last night we got the news WE WON !!! NEW SCHOOL AND ATHLETIC FIELD TO BE BUILT. So I go to this party for the winners and meet a local guy and sure enough someone introduces me as the guy with the boat shop in his barn then someone says would I be interested in an old Cris Craft for FREE he has on blocks - No trailer in his front lawn. He said she is from the 50's cedar on oak 28 ft and more of a utility boat than a pleasure cruiser. So I'm gonna go take a look today and Ill post photos. So not only did we win the local School decision I may have another Project LOL. By the way I know it was a round about way to tell you all about a boat but I wanted to gloat about our new school smile.gif

[Donn]

Go now! I want to see the pix!

[Donn]

When you look at her, get the hull#..it'll help you greatly in researching her.

Location of Hull Number

Hull numbers are located as follows:

Chris-Craft, Sea Skiff, & Cavalier Division boats
1. On the metal plate attached to the underside of the engine hatch cover or engine box on single-engine models, and on the metal plate attached to the underside of the starboard engine hatch cover or engine box on twin-engine models.
2. Stamped into the aft surface of the forward header of the engine hatch on single-engine models, and stamped into the aft surface of the forward header of the port engine hatch on twin-engine models.
3. Stamped into the top edge of the engine stringer starboard adjacent to engine coupling on single-engine models, and stamped into the top edge of the inboard stringer, port engine, adjacent to engine coupling on twin-engine models.
4. Either on top of wood towing bitt, aft face of bow block, extreme forward inboard surface of port toe rail, or aft face of stem midway between chine and sheer.
5. SPORT BOATS AND RUNABOUTS-Stamped into the forward surface of aft deck beam if seat back is removable.

Corsair Division Boats
1. On the exterior surface of the port bow, just aft of the stem and slightly below and parallel to the sheer.
2. Stamped into the engine mounting pad, in the case of outboard powered boats and into a transom frame or suitable wood member in this area. Where no wood surface is readily available, the number will be glassed into the transom on the inboard side.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Truth be told Donn I was thinking of you I know you got your plate full but I think if anyone on this forum wants her Ill scope it out and report back. I told the guy I would tell my friends on the WBF. He is seriously looking to get her off his front lawn. You know me I'm more a sailboat guy and I'm seriously in low funds mode smile.gif so I dont know if I could take on the project but you know how I get when I hear FREE BOAT :D

[Donn]

Definite interest here...are you gone yet?

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Your a nut Donn I got some chores and WORK to do this moring but then Ill head out smile.gif Promise smile.gif

[Donn]

What else did he tell you about her? Floatable? Model? Anything?

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

The only thing he said that was disheartening is 3 things

* Standing Water :(

* Engine in parts :(

* No Trailer :(

[Donn]

The only one that bothers me is the standing water. Maybe you should take a pump and a tarp with you. :D It's gonna rain tonight.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

My thoughts exactly got the tarp and pump ready smile.gif

[Wild Dingo]

Soooooooooooooooo???????????? COME ON YER HEATHEN NEEEEWWWW YORKER!! :D

Hey member the pics bro????? PICS??? Gawd am I hangin for some seriass boat porn ;)

Take it easy
Shane

[Dave Fleming]

How much ya want Shane I got about 400 MB's just on one of me hard drives. Now if you was in the upright side world it would be no problem but I'm thinkin' all them little electonical bytes and bits would leak out of the line from San Diego to whereever you are in Roo land.. :D

And back to the point of this thread. Dhowman, IIRC, the records of Chris Craft are in some musuem in the southeast. Old Mr. Anti-freeze is good for what ails ya, should be a source on this one. :rolleyes:
Good find and O&O East you gonna get that damn bonackers boat yard one way or another I just know it. ;)

[Donn]

CC records are here. (http://www.mariner.org/chriscraft/index.html)

[Donn]

O&O West...I may just make my own. How about this idea. I open up the backend of the boathouse, build the carport into a proper shed, and secretly install a pair of rails in the slip. I could use the van to haul and splash the boats.

[brad9798]

Cedar on Oak ... and a Chris Craft? That doesn't sound right to me. But, I may be wrong.

Anyway, pix will help!!

Good luck,

Brad

[Donn]

Brad...I'm thinking the same thing...I thought they were planked in plywood.

[Dave Fleming]

Planked in plywood perhaps late in the game but from what I just recently read in Professional Boatbuilder, the googe side mostly pubication, of our Host, there is one photo of huge stacks of first grade Mahagony sitting on wharfside in some port on the east coast all destined for Cris Craft and graded, Cris Craft grade.

[Donn]

Dave...I don't know much about the various CC models...certainly the mahogany runabouts used mahogany, and it was probably used for a variety of trim and interior purposes, expecially on interiors. I've seen lapstrake ply utilities similar to the Sea Skiff. I've also found a few websites showing pics of replanking happening to larger CC's, but no info about materials used. There are probably a dozen (or more) different models that were 28' long, but I'm not finding much on the web.

[cs]

Man it is just raining boats everywhere but here. :( If ya'll get tired of all them old boats send 'em down my way.

Chad

[Wild Dingo]

Not knowin nuthin about Chris Craft... I thunk there have been a few advertised in the magazine but thats over there and Im over here so Im imagining something along the lines of Halverson? am I right there Dave or Donn? big motor boats...

Anyway Dave me ol mate you want to send em over I dont mind at all at all... go right ahead... choke me system!!! :eek: I will deal with it with me trusty new whangdangle burner thingymabob!! then I can just whack in the discs and go through the selection!! :cool: oooohhh yeah!

Anyone heard any words from the intrepid Joe??

Donn where the blazes is Maryland from you?... I aint got a map handy and Its gettin late around here which is when I get lazy and forget to open another browser to get up the favorites list to find one... close or far?... Well I got it wrong with Dave and Savannah so probably way off again with you and Maryland! :rolleyes:

Take it easy
Shane

[Wild Dingo]

Originally posted by cs:
Man it is just raining boats everywhere but here. :( If ya'll get tired of all them old boats send 'em down my way.

ChadOR HERE!!! AINT NEVER SEEN A FREE BOAT DOWN HERE!!! or even a reletively cheep one ergo under $5000... send em on down... now theres this Schooner thing sittin in Savan... oh shite I told yer about that already huh?? :rolleyes: dangnabitallflaminruddymongrelbuilders

Take it easy
Shane

[Donn]

Shane...Chris Craft has made everything from 12' plywood kit boats up through huge custom motor yachts. They're well known for mahogany runabouts, and a wide variety of other models...my favorites are the Sea Skiff and the Sportsman.

Maryland is south of me a few hundred miles, on the Chesapeake Bay.

[Dave Fleming]

Donn, Professional Boatbuilder, Number 80, December/January 2003
Turnaround
subtitled: How a handful of experienced marine executives recently re-enginnered one of the world's premier brands in production boatbuilding

By Paul Lazarus

Excerpts:
The Mariner's Museum in Newport News, Virginia has amassed archival records of Chris-Craft dating from 1922, when company standardized automotive-type boatbuilding to 1980.
Includes 'hull cards' for 100,000 boats itemizing everything that went into each hull produced.
Excess of 15,000 photographs.
50,000 boat plans.
Company's WW II production records of assorted military craft

Photo on page 50 shows the Holland, Michigan auto type production line and all the hulls that I can see are being planked up. Photo is B&W but it seems to be Mahagony as the planks vary in colour from dark to light. ( date given for photo is..."in the 1950's")
The balance of this article would be of more interest to someone at the Wharton School or Yale for it deals with how the company was salvaged and supposedly turned around in recent years.
No wood just googe as far as I can tell for that management stuff makes me sleepy.

So. I guess the place to start is that hull plate and. then on to the Mariner's Musuem armed with it and start digging.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

OK Guys I'm back this thread is going to become heavy bandwidth so be forewarned lots of photos Uploading to image station as we speak.
Oh and she aint PLYWOOD

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Here She Is she is a 1956 22ft ( sorry ) CC listed as a 135 hp CC engin coversion of Hercules production I could not find a hull # http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/p507d8413a284685147fd901a0b2acfa3/fceffe54.jpg

[brad9798]

Chris Craft had a few different ways of doing things-

Kit Boats (became the Cavalier division) were of plywood sheets. These were around from the 50s through the end of the 60s. Ironically, these Cavaliers were to be the 'poor man's CC' ... almost a disposable boat. As it turned out, there are a TON of the Cavaliers around today, and it is the Connies, etc. that are dying off. One does not need to be a master woodworker to manage a sheet-plywood hull (within reason), so it became cost-prohibitive for a lot of Connie owners to keep their boats in correct shape. And, honestly, that's why I bought a Cavalier (36' aft-cabin)- strong (for my needs); and easy to 'fix' problems. No, I guess I'm not a purist ... but anyway.

Sea Skiffs were basically plywood planks, a lot of lapstrake. As a matter of fact, there were Sea Skiff/Cavalier hybrids call Seastrakes ... I believe.

The Constellation, Commanders (until 1964, when they became f-glass; other CC models used f-glass as early as 1962- does anyone remember the Silver Arrow ), the Corsairs, the Crusaders, the Conquerors, the blah, blah blah, etc. models were all of carvel planked 'phillipine' mahogony. In fact, the last wooden CC was a 1972 57' Connie.

The largest WOODEN boat they made, I believe was a 65' Constellation in the 1960s, and as Donn stated, the smallest kit boat they made was 12', I believe.

Obviously, the Roamer division (nee Roamer yachts) were steal or aluminum- they became part of CC in 1956-57.

So, in all my documenation and reference books on CC, I cannot find a mention of Cedar (other than inner layer, and a few postwar applications) ... to make a long story short. ;)

Anyway, Joe, a picture is worth a thousand words.

Brad

[ 12-13-2002, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: brad9798 ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

More photos
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/pa93b4a8322a450657854dcd6b4dc9e73/fceffe46.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/p36813c7a8d80bef8ac1984769513e23f/fceffe53.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/p0948d21adf6d6053fb610ac88c91577f/fceffe51.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/pba8769a6ea4e234529048cca624fa5da/fceffe4f.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/pe1697911e97cf8eede44ce66a35a3379/fceffe4d.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/p1b700710749672aa4ff1404d7d09cfe1/fceffe4b.jpg

[Donn]

Whew!

[Concordia..41]

What a bunch of voyeuristic addicts we are :D

I've been wanting to say all morning come to your senses, focus on what you have going already, shake loose from Joe's clutches, etc., but that bow shot really is sweet ;)

AArrgh - it really is a sickness ...

- M

[brad9798]

Joe-

One thing I would bet a paycheck on- That is not a 1956 model ... looks like a mid to late 1940s to me??? possibly early 1950s- look how plum the bow is!

I would guess a 1947-1952 22' Sportsman ...

Any other ideas? Anyone?

Brad

[Noah]

There is a guy with one of those on Lake Champlain. Very similar look, but I thought his was much older. It is planked in cedar over oak. It looks really nice, and all the decks, etc are cedar as well.

So what did she look like? Lots of rot? Or were things kinda ok? It is tough to tell from the pictures, but it sure is a pretty looking boat.

Thanks for the pictures Joe I have been waiting all day.

Noah

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Nope Bill of sale says otherwise So Donn what ya think ??? Did I do good ? smile.gif

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/p2b5b75eb544fe53f492d2171360df442/fceffe45.jpg

By the way of ya all want to look at my Image Station Album look here
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4290997211&idx=1

[imported_Conrad]

Hey- I had one of those, rebuilt it while in grad school. A 22' "Sportsman", front and rear seats, walk-around engine box, lots of varnished mahogany. Mine had been repowered with a chrysler 426 hemi, triple carbs. Its claim to fame was running out of gas not once, but three times- never did get used to how fast that engine sucked it down. Great for running around with five or six of your best friends on a sunny day, but other than that? I can't say I miss it, but it was interesting to work on, just not that useful for the kind of boating we wanted to do.

Mine must have been newer, can't remember the year, but it was all mahogany- planking, frames, etc. Double planked bottom with cedar for the inner layer. It'll make a great day boat for running up and down the river! My goodness, what a wake though- you'll need to get a wake board and learn tricks!! :D

[ 12-13-2002, 02:27 PM: Message edited by: Conrad S. ]

[On Vacation]

Call the men in the white coats on him. If you take that one, you have a serious case of mental retardation. Now thats a fact. :( :(

[Noah]

I'm with Brad on this one. Infact I would even think early/middle 40's. I heard that they couldn't get lots of Mahagony after the war, so they used cedar.

I could be wrong though, I certainly don't know much about CC's.

Thanks again,

Noah

[Donn]

Here's a 1952 22' Sportsman:

http://www.classicandantiqueboats.com/images/52CCS22Bow.jpg

http://www.classicandantiqueboats.com/images/52CCS22SternTop.jpg

http://www.classicandantiqueboats.com/images/52CCS22Stern.jpg

Ya done great, Joe...now let's hear about the nitty gritty. Obviously not floatable, but how bad is the wood?

[imported_Conrad]

Whoa, Donn- nice!! What a blast from the past! I thought they all had the red seat covers. That's the one!

[ 12-13-2002, 02:32 PM: Message edited by: Conrad S. ]

[Donn]

http://www.acbs.org/Public/Rudder/Fall2000/CCU22Sportsman.jpg

"To the general public, no boat more epitomizes a “Chris-Craft” than the famous U-22. In production throughout the war for government applications, the 22 has its roots in the 1934 21' UTILITY and is very similar to the 1940 and later 22' “vee” windshield DELUXE UTILITY. For 1946, the design was updated with rolled and rounded bow and covering boards similar to the 18'. A full range of engines was available, from the small “B” through the “M” series. From 1945 through 1948 most of the boats were painted and white sided SPORTSMANS are common today. From 1949 through 1954 most were mahogany. A total of 2,082 were built during the nine-year production run — by far Chris-Craft’s most popular boat of any type during the late 40's and early 50's."

[brad9798]

I don't question the bill of sale ... other than to say it's wrong! ;) No way, no how that's a 1956 ... something was a typo somewhere over her history.

Especially if she's cedar.

UNLESS she was a custom order from the factory.

Other than that, she has been modified/rebuilt if she is a 1956- THUS- if she is a 1956, she is not original in structure (unless she was custom) and is not worth the effort.

I feel like I'm talking in circles ... you need to find the hull# to determine anything at this point.

Brad

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Truth is the hull looks more sound than the Spray I saw in the woods there looks like there had been a fire at some time the steering wheel and bow deck look chard some soft wood in spots frames not as bad as you would expect she is up on blocks and there are some gaps in her planking so she is draining which I guess is good my feeling is she is as much or more work for me than I could hope to do but she is FREE and I would be glad to show her to anyone

[On Vacation]

Sometimes people miss a post. :(

Oyster
.
Member # 5154

posted 12-13-2002 02:22 PM
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Call the men in the white coats on him. If you take that one, you have a serious case of mental retardation. Now thats a fact.

[Donn]

It sure looks like a Sportsman, but if it is, it's '54 or earlier, unless it's a custom job, like Brad said.

Hmmm..

[Donn]

'smatter, Oyster? I've seen worse looking boats. A nice open 22 would be a great bay boat.

[Alan D. Hyde]

I have a Chris-Craft reference at home that says after World War II, Chris-Craft used a variety of other woods for planking, since only limited amounts of mahogany were available.

Ask Jerry Conrad at the Mariners' Museum. He's Curator of the Chris-Craft Collection there.

www.mariner.org (http://www.mariner.org)

She looks worth saving. Joe, couldn't you find a use for the $10,000 you'd get from selling her--- all fixed up--- this Spring? The photos of your various projects persuade me you can do it. Not great pay per hour, perhaps, but agreeable work...

Good luck with her!

Alan

[ 12-13-2002, 03:00 PM: Message edited by: Alan D. Hyde ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Seriously Oyster I would like your true assessment. This girl has seemed to hold her hull just as well as the one you saw on top of the mountain maybe better. Why so negative, mind you I'm not about to haul her off to the barn I was just curious. Donn sounds interested and I'm just passing on information as I can get it. So what do you see that is so troubling to you - I just don't see it and I'm willing to learn

[Bruce Taylor]

O.K., I'll take it...but only if he throws in those lawnchairs.

[On Vacation]

'smatter, Oyster?
Do you want to know all that I see is the 'smatter? We just put one fire out and the coals are still smoldering.

This is a start.
http://media5.hypernet.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=006882

Sell for 10,000 dollars in the springtime? Maybe after 5,000 dollars and three years of parttime work. Should I go on with what I see and a little bit of what I might know about old open runabouts of 22 foot Chris Craft that has sat outdoors with fresh water in the hull?

[Donn]

Originally posted by Oyster:
Sell for 10,000 dollars in the springtime? Maybe after 5,000 dollars and three years of parttime work. Should I go on with what I see and a little bit of what I might know about old open runabouts of 22 foot Chris Craft that has sat outdoors with fresh water in the hull?Definately go on...and remember, I wouldn't pay $10K for a restored version, but I might be willing to put in a few grand and some hours to get her afloat and use her.

[ccmanuals]

Yep, I would also guess it's a U22. As others have mentioned though, unless you can locate the hull number your never really going to know for sure. Restoration wise, at this point it's probably a pattern boat. I took a bunch of pictures of U22's at Mt. Dora this year. If interested you can see them here:
http://ccmanuals.crosswinds.net/pics/mtdora02/mtdora02.htm

Tom

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Oyster I'm defiantly still drowning although I hope to achieve positive buoyancy sometime soon smile.gif I fully admit in not in a position to take on this project and I AM NOT GOING TO. It was just an interesting turn of events wooden boat related I thought I would share it with you guys. As I said if anyone wants her she is available that's all.

[Donn]

Originally posted by ccmanuals:
... Restoration wise, at this point it's probably a pattern boat. ...What's a pattern boat? A pattern for building a whole new boat? Also..why is it a pattern boat, whatever it means?

Nice pics, BTW...thanks for the link.

[Donn]

Joe...more info please.

Where was the soft wood? How's the remaining portion of the transom? Are those really portlights in the bow? Any guess on it's weight? Did you see the engine? Does the fire damage show up anywhere on the hull.

I'm thinking road trip.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by LOON:
Joe...more info please.

Where was the soft wood? How's the remaining portion of the transom? Are those really portlights in the bow? Any guess on it's weight? Did you see the engine? Does the fire damage show up anywhere on the hull.

I'm thinking road trip.Honestly Donn I think if you want any more intelligent answers to your question your going to have to take a road trip trust me she is not going anywhere soon. I didn't see the engine but was told it is in parts in a shed. The fire damage seems to be forward. The soft wood is topside lip around the hull in spots but I didn't poke too much with a screw driver yup those are portlight in the bow as a matter of fact the interior photos were taken by putting the camera IN those portlights

[ 12-13-2002, 04:19 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Donn]

Joe...it appears from the photo's of the cockpit, that there are interior bulkheads. How much could you see of the frames?

[On Vacation]

A motor to fit the era to make a true Chris Craft boat is lots of bucks. Hardware , is that there? Condition of hardware? IS the hardware that might be missing avaliable? Fasteners? I am sure they are original and have seen better days. The framing in the boat is lightweight as the pictures show. Once these things get to this stage, it is a complete disassembly job. The framing wood along the transom appears to be shot and that is where you can see it. The ceiling strips along the insides are probably shot. Where is the shaft and propeller?

Add all this together, 15,000 plus labor. The boat in the woods was built substantial enough to last. A Chris Craft runabout was built as production boat to be pampered. Once they serve their term out, only a sucker would redo such a boat. Call me Cleek if you wish. Give me Spray anyday. She was rugged and had the interworkings that is way more than this boat ever had when new.

Hope you can unscramble this mess.

[ishmael]

These boats have a full ceiling, making access to frames in the sides of the boat a matter of having to spend some time removing screws. I haven't looked back at the photos, but I think the deck/floor in the cockpit is removed, so access to the lower butts and the bottom framing should be a cinch.

Oh, and the boat in the film with Diaz, was a Sea Skiff. probably circa 1960

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Ahhh yes... the incredible snottiness about production boats comes through at last.

Altho I would say ... that boat ain't worth fixing. The hardware, engines, and everything else is all available as either used, replica, or rebuilt.... but it would need to be a special hull shape and model at this stage for it to be economically worth it.

Actually Joe, if you wanted support on this one you should talk to the Chris Craft Club, it seems you might find the high and mighty here to busy to talk about a common old CC :(

[ 12-13-2002, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: Peter Malcolm ]

[On Vacation]

Production boat mentality, thats a fact. If I took the time to hijack this thread, I can post a few pictures tonight on a boat that was hand done with care in wood and put it up against any production boat fiberglass or wood to show you the difference in problems down the road in both of them. The work down the road is mimimized by individual construction versus assembly line workmanship. Fact not fiction. A person or business can only put so much time into a boat that took about a week to build or something like that.

Did you happen to read the thread a while back from I think Dave posted on the Chris Craft hull/

Those boats were built light for speed. They also have a flat bottom for lake running and were used for a short season. Fact not fiction. What else would you like to know?

The end result is dollars and time for what you get in return. Peter, this is why many times I don't bother. Your insults amoung so many others. just takes the fun out of it. Talk substance and leave the weak attacks out if it. Go back and read my post to Joe. It had nothing in the world to do with production boats either.

[ 12-13-2002, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: Oyster ]

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

And from that post Oyster, We now know why the egg harbor guy advises his members not to come here. Yes, a lot of production boats were built quick, cheap, badly, ... but others were built quite well, and have had long productive lives, leaving their owners with great memories.People that love wooden boats can't always build the boats you describe. Wooden boats are not about return for your effort to be sure. Chris Craft made wooden boats, and boating in general a great cultural and architectural contribution in my opinion. Your stuffy, pompous attitude is not a good thing for this forum, or any public forum (also my opinion.) Dismount from the high horse Oyster, I think its dead anyway. For some reason, you rankle others with your opinion, which is usually confrontational and mean spirited, then feel personally attacked when they respond. I will still own my Chris Craft, and still enjoy it, and still know that there are hundreds of wooden boat owners enjoying the hell out of their common run of the mill production wood boat, and not even know your opinion

Investment and what we get in return? Hell.. we'd all own fibreglass boats in that case :(

[ 12-13-2002, 06:01 PM: Message edited by: Peter Malcolm ]

[Donn]

Oyster...I suggest you check the asking prices on some of these restored "production" boats.

Sierra Boat (http://www.sierraboat.com/show.html)

Again...let me spell out what my plans would be for a boat like this. Get it afloat and running, and use it. If the old Hercules is no good, I'd put a newer engine in it that runs. Unless I found out that it was a rare specimen, I wouldn't event think about a full restore...and If I did, I have someplace to send it to be done.

Oyster...when you say "lightly built" how light are you talking about. Do you know what the plank and frame details are on these boats? If so, I'd be interested in hearing it.

I've owned several production boats before, mostly old Lymans, and never had too many problems keeping them up...and fishing them in Lake Erie.

[Donn]

Originally posted by ishmael:
Oh, and the boat in the film with Diaz, was a Sea Skiff. probably circa 1960And a mighty purty boat it was! (Diaz isn't bad either, if a tad skinny). IIRC, it was listed for sale a few years after the flick...for $20K..in our host's magazine.

[Bruce Taylor]

You'd better get there quick, Donn, before somebody makes off with all that patio furniture!

[Donn]

One of the pics on the link that ccmanuals posted, shows an open Chris with what appears to be wicker stern seats. I guess in Cold Spring, they use resin instead.

[Memphis Mike]

I'll tell ya somethin Joe, any restoration
project I may take on in the future,
will have all of the planks and frames in
place and no rot or at least very minimal
rot and a very minimum amount of missing wood.

[On Vacation]

Hey oh Peter there partner. Lets both of us just get off our horse and sit down for a little fire side chat. Confrontation with many stems from me not being a member of the donkey party. The forums seems to have really become so partisan, that anyone that crosses tha grain of the likes just puts salt in the rear end. I can live with that. All you have to do is show me with evidence that my replies are gobblygoop. Yes you say mine are gooblygoop. Thats just your opinion I say.

The facts of many people from production boat forums coming here and being insulted is proof positve that this fourm is narrow minded at the least. Guess what, I find it to be the same. But you know it would not as active of a forum if it hasn't been for diversity.

Guess what, also, I have built boats in all ways of traditional, cold moulded and lapstrake. ANd gues what, I use epoxy everyday of my life. You know why? It will allow for a long term boat built in any design and shape you can imagine.

Guess what also, your expertise in motor overhauls and bondo cars redo give you not a clue of what it take to take a square piece of wood and make it round. Do I know everything? Nope.

One thing I know is there are many backyard projects left undone for the reason I mentioned earlier. You what that might be? Its called Money and the amount of work involved to finish the project.

Guess what another thing I know is that a small boat is a project of dimenishing return. A 20 foot whatever after it has been half dissembled and left untouched is a loss cause in 99 percent of the time.

Guess what else I know, and that is many projects are left undone because of money. Do I like your boat? Yes. But this conversation started out with Joe receiving title to a project that was left for dead in the elements for a while. Anything can be redone and this can be redone. Are you foolish enough to tackle this project? Have at it. But one thing for sure, you will not come back and post a true bill of goods and time that you put into it after I have told you the ball park figure you will spend in it. Fact not fiction.

The owner of this boat is waiting for another sucker to come with trailer and haul it away so they will be able to grow grass next year under the area.

One more thing I forgot to mention, I drove three days to look at a nice boat that had been neglected. And you know what else I can tell you? If I would have been set up to lifeted that boat on a trailer, it would be in North Carolina today.

The boat was built to last, not to just create another number on some books of a major corporation.

I forgot to post this link. This is what happens to a long drawn out project in real life.
http://media5.hypernet.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=000297

[ 12-13-2002, 07:06 PM: Message edited by: Oyster ]

[Donn]

so, Oyster....let's hear your opinion of the 2 projects I have in my carport now. BTW..I'm keeping an exact log of every penny and hour I spend on them. I'll definately post them.

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

What I find interesting Oyster, is that you always revert to finding other peoples skills to be somehow less than your own... that tells me you don't have much of a sense of security.. but I digress. The FACT is that you don't know me, don't know what I've have or haven't worked on, who I've worked with, how much work I have done, and to be fair I don't know those things about you either.However, I think I can give you credit for more skills than you would do for me. I like some of the people here, but certainly thats no guarantee or permission that I should continue to post, or that I know anything about anything. I just find your tendency to A)get personally offended by any remark that even goes in your compass direction, and B)to belittle others that may not share your boat philosophy,then cry woe is me why do I bother. I can't answer why you bother. Only you can answer that. But for chrissake leave a little room in this world, if not your own for some dissenting opinions AND passions. Merry Chrismas smile.gif

P.S For Matt Joyce and his wife, I feel badly for them, and the boat. I think there is attachment that is far more than dollars and return. It is fundamental to the investment of interest,desire, and passion, those things that cannot be quantified by material things. SAGA and Matt will miss each other. Thats the important lesson in all of it. The rest is circumstance, and that changes in every single day of our lives. There will be other wooden boats for Matt, but this one hurts... and I feel sorry for him.

[ 12-13-2002, 09:16 PM: Message edited by: Peter Malcolm ]

[On Vacation]

I feel very bad for Matt and his wife. It does me no good to explain to you that I understand. I replied to Loon after he posted this message:

LOON
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Member # 1938

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Originally posted by Oyster:
Sell for 10,000 dollars in the springtime? Maybe after 5,000 dollars and three years of parttime work. Should I go on with what I see and a little bit of what I might know about old open runabouts of 22 foot Chris Craft that has sat outdoors with fresh water in the hull?
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Definately go on...and remember, I wouldn't pay $10K for a restored version, but I might be willing to put in a few grand and some hours to get her afloat and use her.

I never acted as if I know it all. I posted the harsh reality. I think also if you follow many of Cleeks post, you will find out that many are very strong and opinionated. But one thing for sure, when I post, it is sincere, whether you are willing to agree with them or now. I don't know it all, but try to share some life skills.

Attacks with your comments about production boats to me is not addressing the real facts of many of these boats.

Let me address Loon's question about his projects. You know he has less work, even without me even looking at it, then he would have even in a 16 Chris Craft runabout, given the enviroment and life history of age and elements involved the deteriating of this hull.

Let me address one more issue to this one. The frames, as noted in the pictures, are a minimal dimension. When you run a screw in such small pieces of wood many years ago and then over the years just let it be, the wood fatigues and dries out.

If you don't renew these pieces after forty to fifty years and put the boat back in use, the boat will probably come loss or apart. This is only a few major issues you will have in an update.

You may not like me, but I will give you my opinion on the overall skeem of things as life has taught me. Again I am not an expert, but will only convey to anyone wishing to read about a boat or topic in question my best reply without swaying from life's learning. If that offends you, I am truely sorry. I will now finish up and go back to the sidelines.

Many people just don't like hearing what they wish it not to be. :(

[Wild Dingo]

First heated passionate embraces of love sorta thing Peter?

Now back to whats what ere!!

Sooooo Donn you travellin yet?... mmmmm you still got room in that there shed mate...

Now whats this about a Spray in the woods?? someone saw a spray in the woods and left it there?? GAWD are you fellas flamin well so flamin spoilt with boats that you can see something like that sniff the air and go... "oh look thar I think... yeah by gar its a Spray... well consarnitallboy just sittin thar in the woods it be... well its just a Spray in the woods lets leave it... come on just ignore it and walk away"... and you fellas do just that!! walk away??? Stone the flamin crows!!!

You know the other week I went and perved on an old Lugger down the road from here... it was truely all I could do not to get down on me knees and beg for the owner to just let me ave her... but I was brave!!... Yous fellas woulda been right proud I can tell yer... now I took some photos which I hope TonyH will scan and send back so I can post either that or he posts them sometime early next week... my scanner crapped a sad and I fails to light its fire anymore... sigh... anyway what the blazes was I on about??
OH RIGHT!!... spray in the woods = lugger in the bush???... guess maybe so... wheres the link? huh??? there yer go yabberin away and a fellas got not one iota of what the blue blazes yer yabberin about!! no links no pics no nothin... just "spray in the woods" sheesh! :rolleyes:

Okay thanks for giving me this wonderous opportunity to rant and rave... which of course I took advantage of absoflaminlutely and utterly shamelessly tongue.gif ... now back to what yer were doin! :D

Donn whatcha doin still ere mate??? huh? that big gap in the shed is still there bro!!! :cool:

Oyster mate... dont be too punishin on yerself mate think of the company your in!!! SHITE!! Dave of Fleming... Bob of Cleek... Jerry Sousa {anyone know how hes gettin on?} and I know theres a hell of a long list of other fellas... seems to be something that people go through :rolleyes: ... seem to member myself mutterin somefin along the same lines as Peter has to you to eeerrr both Dave and Bob at one time... but we got through it... each of us... so will you mate just dont take everything so personal... sheesh yer know what the flamin hell I mean Mike! :cool:

Take it easy
Shane

[ 12-13-2002, 09:58 PM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[gunnar I am]

Hi, I'm speaking to you on behalf of those suffering from SWBD, or seasonal wooden boat disorder. It's a shame you had to see this not to pretty clinical display of this disorder on this thread, but I'm afraid shocking you is the only way we can get the focus and attention on this terrible malady that effects so many and their loved ones. I know what you're saying ;"Why don't people start taking responsibilities for their actions." and " These people are completely lacking in common sense!" and you're probably also saying," What a bunch of horses a**es!" Well, I think perhaps you might be being a bit too harsh. And that's why I make this appeal to you. For only 26 cents a month, you can sponsor one of these poor nit-wits. For your 26 cents you will get an e-mail address of you're new adopted dysfunctional charge. He will be sent pictures every month of a decrpid piece of rubbish rotting away in some back fourty. You will then be able to watch him make a complete ass of himself on "The Forum" which we sponsor, drooling, fighting, and engaging in all manner of self gratification over what amounts to little more than Git-Rot heaven. When the frenzy is finally over come spring, your new adopted charge will then, hopefully be able to look back at his disgraceful behavior and shamefully take a vow to never humiliate himself or his family like that again. Or not! :D :D :D :D

[Memphis Mike]

Originally posted by Peter Malcolm:
And from that post Oyster, We now know why the egg harbor guy advises his members not to come here. Yes, a lot of production boats were built quick, cheap, badly, ... but others were built quite well, and have had long productive lives, leaving their owners with great memories.People that love wooden boats can't always build the boats you describe. Wooden boats are not about return for your effort to be sure. Chris Craft made wooden boats, and boating in general a great cultural and architectural contribution in my opinion. Your stuffy, pompous attitude is not a good thing for this forum, or any public forum (also my opinion.) Dismount from the high horse Oyster, I think its dead anyway. For some reason, you rankle others with your opinion, which is usually confrontational and mean spirited, then feel personally attacked when they respond. I will still own my Chris Craft, and still enjoy it, and still know that there are hundreds of wooden boat owners enjoying the hell out of their common run of the mill production wood boat, and not even know your opinion

Investment and what we get in return? Hell.. we'd all own fibreglass boats in that case :( I'm in complete agreement Peter.

[On Vacation]

Just another case in point. DO we reply to people in real life or tell them a tale to be nice? Every boat is different. But its hard to explain to people that know very little but criticism. Discuss issues.

http://media5.hypernet.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=005967;p=4
tjdono
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Member # 4801

posted 12-13-2002 08:19 PM
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Having been a lurker for a while here...long before buying my misery (her name being the Lady Nola) I am happy to have absorbed all the advice given in all forms of sarcasm and gentle tidings. Being of Irish descent..Scotts original ire is the type which works best for me. That said, I would hope that the poor sot who wanders in here looking for advice AFTER having bought a sodden, worm-infested, barely floating DreamBoat would find more advice than derision. The deed having been done, he should be able to come here for advice and fellowship. Afterall......its he who buys a derelict who saves a derelict.

Regards to all
Tim

[ 12-13-2002, 10:31 PM: Message edited by: Oyster ]

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

I know the difference between the harsh reality and the rest of life more than you may think or know Oyster, and lets leave it at that.I have no real wish to explain my life while I thump my chest over past deeds and misdeeds. I decided a while ago that I could participate in the harsh reality, or I could attempt to make some of it more palatable for people. I think the opinions you have are as valuable as anyone elses, they just don't come across very well. You can't seem to agree with one thing, without pounding the piss out of something else. I know Bob Cleek does the same thing, and I don't appreciate it when he does it either. I fall off the reasonable and polite wagon fairly often, but I hope I apologize for it too. Frankly I respect the experience you have working on boats, but sometimes you make sweeping negative generalizations that I find hard to digest. While you attempt to be factual, you often grace your opinion with the most negative outlook possible. I prefer trying to be an optimist, altho from my own experiences, I find it difficult as well. Bottom line, I don't own my wooden boat for the money, the recognition, the return, or anything like that. I like to work with my hands, and I like to spend time on the water.period. Fortunately, I have enough shekels to invest in a lifetime of work :D

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Gunnar, I can NEVER best you in git-rot wit. :D

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Man I just got home from the second Job. Whew has this topic bloomed. Man I do start some good threads with old boats in the woods smile.gif As for Gunnar he is my new religion Im still working on a proper altar to bow before the patron saint of dry wit smile.gif smile.gif

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Joe, I bow to your ability to find rotten old pieces of wood to discuss here. :rolleyes:

[imported_Steven Bauer]

I had a great time at Mystic last week, but I was kinda hoping to meet Joe and Gunnar. :D Next time you guys? With warmer weather and a spot to try out each other's boats. :D :D
Steven

[Wild Dingo]

SO????... WHERES THE FLAMIN BOAT IN THE FLAMIN WOODS??? :eek:

Strewth you fellas know how to get a fella riled!! :mad:

Take it easy
Shane

[imported_Conrad]

Mr Dingo, with all due respect, if you didn't spend so much time looking for additional smilies, you wouldn't miss these important threads! Here ya go, read all about it! :D

http://media5.hypernet.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=006629

[On Vacation]

If I offends you Peter one thousand apologies and only eight smiles with them. smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif Thats about all Shane will allow me to borrow. Okay? I try better, okay?

Now on to the next flamin rotten boat. Joe must be a member of the rotten boat of the month club, wouldn't you say? And for me to be accused of not making any sense, I think Radar does a better job at that. Whatcha think? Insert smile rightcha here cause Shane won't give me anymore faces.

[Wild Dingo]

aaaahhhh aint noone nowheres gonna have a go at me mate Conrad!!! an thats a fact!!! :cool: ... why? cause all yer other buggars woulda played that one as far as yer could... wouldnt yer!!!... "HA!! Lookit that dopey bloody Aussie wouldyer? talk about a dill!! lets lead him up the garden path for awhile and see how he flips out" :mad: ... yer i knows yer fellas fer sure!! :rolleyes: ... thankee kind Conrad sir!!

Smilies???? :rolleyes: I GOTS CONTROL OF THE SMILIE SITUASHUN?? HA!!! I wish!... tongue.gif

Ive got just 2 questions for yer...

1) What the blazes happened to the lady of the woods?... shite!! did yous fellas see that?!!... I missed that posting totally when it happened yet having read it Ive now named that lovely old lady... WHAT HAPPENED??? I mean Paul offered free undercover for a month so whats the story on her... {by the way for my money shes far better a proposition than thisun!}

2) What the heck gave with Lisas Thomson runabout??? I mean come on Joebob of the mountain what did ye find out??? HUH??? :cool:

And finally I am in total agreeance with Tony over all this... you fellas sure do live in the land of woodenboat opportunity!... now theres this old lugger in the bush see... :rolleyes:

Take it easy
Shane

[ 12-14-2002, 05:58 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Concordia..41]

Gunner - Where do I send my 26 cents and is it possible to be a sponsor and a member?????

- M

[Chris Coose]

Saw a Lightning for $500.00 in the local classified rag right next to it was a 1951 Craftsman band saw (one owner) for $200.00. Guess which one I'm buying today.
I'll take a look at the Lightning if anybody's interested.

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Oyster... you're right... a sportsman was made by the millions, was not a particularly distinguished CC model anyway, and this one should be sprayed with white wash, a jolly roger erected and put in the back yard for the kids to play in. Jesus, Joe, where do you find this stuff, do you have a rot magnet stuck in the back of your skull... Beep Beep Beep Beep.. NO its a rotten boat tricorder... No sign of life here Captain :D

[Donn]

Originally posted by Peter Malcolm:
Oyster... you're right... a sportsman was made by the millions, was not a particularly distinguished CC model anyway, and this one should be sprayed with white wash, a jolly roger erected and put in the back yard for the kids to play in. Jesus, Joe, where do you find this stuff, do you have a rot magnet stuck in the back of your skull... Beep Beep Beep Beep.. NO its a rotten boat tricorder... No sign of life here Captain :D "millions???" You're not reading the posts very carefully, Peter. On the first page I posted a snip from ACBS, that shows that there were only 2082 U22's built during the 9 years they were being made.

Go here, and add up all the various model Sportsmans made...you'll find it falls a bit short of "millions."

Sportsman History (http://acbs.org/Public/Rudder/Fall2000/CCUtilities.htm)

PS..."distinguished?"

"..by far Chris-Craft’s most popular boat of any type during the late 40's and early 50's."

[ 12-14-2002, 11:10 AM: Message edited by: LOON ]

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

I hear ya Donn and truth be told, I am awfully tempted by abandoned boats. The sportsman is a great boat, particularly for a family. My point is that 2000 is a big number for CC, and there are lots of Chris's out there needing restoration that have lower numbers, and hence I think will retain their value when restored a little better. But... like I said, a lot of this is about the passion you have for an individual boat. I will always err on the side of expensive, time consuming restorations that take years to complete, don't you worry about that :D :D
I am being educated on CC by Jerry Conrad's books.. I had no idea of the number of different styles made, and as a result I may end up with more than one CC if I come across a couple of em. The runabouts can be bought in pretty good condition for not a whole lot of money in my mind, so as a result you have a working, in the water project.

[ 12-14-2002, 11:22 AM: Message edited by: Peter Malcolm ]

[Chris Coose]

... and there are lots of Chris's out there needing restoration... Amen to that brother.

Joe, keep em coming. I was down to the yard this AM to get some images of the existing flower pots. I have discovered a new trend at the yard which I will post when the weather gets better.
If anything gets you guys over to the Maine Boatbuilders Show in March it might be our collection of yard wood that looks like boats.

[True Love]

Brad,

What's the model in the film, "On Golden Pond?"

[Donn]

Fonda's boat was a 1950 Chris Craft 22' Utility.

The mailman's boat was a 1962 Century Raven 19'

[Chris Coose]

From Oyster to Peter M.

Confrontation with many stems from me not being a member of the donkey party. Next paragraph
The facts of many people from production boat forums coming here and being insulted is proof positve that this fourm is narrow minded at the least. two paragraphs later
Guess what also, your expertise in motor overhauls and bondo cars redo give you not a clue of what it take to take a square piece of wood and make it round. The last two quotes would prove the first incorrect.
Oyster, I am one who has become tired of your continual sh*t misting all over this forum. Please take a minute and re-read your writing before hitting the "add reply" button.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

So Donn ya comming - I got eggnog smile.gif

[On Vacation]

Chris, the quote:

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Confrontation with many stems from me not being a member of the donkey party."
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Leaves many here with the closed mind to accept any issue that I may speak about here:

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The facts of many people from production boat forums coming here and being insulted is proof positve that this fourm is narrow minded at the least.
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Guess what also, your expertise in motor overhauls and bondo cars redo give you not a clue of what it take to take a square piece of wood and make it round"
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The can't see the forest for the trees mentality.

Its like I have stated before, how many are left like Sam F, or Allen Foote, or Stan to rebute anything that 30 same posters spill on anyday here? How many bash posts are installed in the archieves against just three of us? I guess you people are always right and we are just out of touch with everything that goes on in life past and present. Read your reply to me and maybe rethink some of your "Hit Reply" bottom.

[ 12-15-2002, 11:31 AM: Message edited by: Oyster ]

[Chris Coose]

Oyster,
You may see your problems here as political conspiricies. I'm seeing plain old insults and it becomes tiresome.

[On Vacation]

Well, I expect you see it as insults, but read Memphis Mike's and many others repsonse to me as being an ignorant rebel racist bigot. Or lets read another frequent reply. "You make no sense at all." I guess maybe I have two choices. Send my rough draft to you so it can be ethnic cleansed for public and internet friendly reading before posting or just not post and become another history number.

Pleas feel free to post the guidelines for me to use in further responses so as not to insult you and others. I will post it on my screen to read before the "Hit Reply" button. I don't have all the answers, but I do have more than idle chit chat or the look I got today or a half clothed female or a dancing chicken.

Let me address one more issue that we all have here. The misc is a great part of this forum. It allows for us all to understand each other. That will give us a lot of insight when we read other sections of this forum. It also allows for some a blowoff for the ones that have eat, sleep, and drink boats for a long time. I expect to be challenged.. But most of my replies will be of some item consistant to the topic of discussion.

Only when the belittling start will I either come back with the same level of reply or just go away.
I even posted this to Dave Fleming last night on the thread about Glitch of Pooter.

Let me know what you see as the answer and I will attempt to be PC on the forum. I sure would like to be liked. I like this forum. I just don't like being asaulted continually. Talk meat and potatoes and I will attempt to do the same to the best of my knowledge, which might not be to every other one here. But one for sure I try.

[ 12-15-2002, 12:47 PM: Message edited by: Oyster ]

[Donn]

Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
So Donn ya comming - I got eggnog smile.gif Still thinking about it, Joe...and I hate eggnog.

[Dave Fleming]

posted 12-15-2002 02:03 PM

Still thinking about it, Joe...and I hate eggnog.

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Scrooge! :D
I like it because it usually has Rum in it! ;)

[Memphis Mike]

Oyster, I'm truly honored that you are
so infatuated with my behavior that you
let it manipulate your every post to
The WoodenBoat Forum.

It's extremely gratifying to know that I have
that much control over your thought processes.

[ 12-15-2002, 02:40 PM: Message edited by: Memphis Mike ]

[Donn]

I prefer rum neat, O&O West. What's your opinion of a project like this?

[ 12-15-2002, 02:20 PM: Message edited by: LOON ]

[True Love]

Hey thanks, Donn. I've always wondered about the Fonda boat.

[True Love]

To: ALL

Could we keep The Forum focused on the thread issue and make an effort not to attack people personally or politically when the thread is not a personal or political thread?

We might or might not like the way someone says what they have to say about the rebuilding of this particular boat, but lets keep it focused to why we agree or disagree with the content of the post, rather than addressing a personal feeling about the poster or even the poster's particular way of posting.

Aren't we big enough people to do that?

[On Vacation]

No MIke, you have found a way to continually find fault and will never talk issues on any item I paticipate in except the usual replies that we have witnessed on here. Then the rest pile on.

I wish you a better life anywhere you see fit to move. But attitude will dictate how you will end up. I don't need your repeated replies that we have seen but this board has some bad apples. You have more time to spend then I do, so the majority rules. You just think you got it bad till you move to the eastern shore of Virginia, where the primetime news is Sonny's Barber shop in Exmore, Va. He was paid 400 dollars one time to shut up for five minutes.

Just wait till you try to heat your vacation home with wood or Kerosene heater and it soots in the middle of the night. You will wake up with your nose black with soot. Just wait till your car or truck breaks down and you have to sort out parts from the junkyard. The junkyard is leftovers from Norfolk wornout vehicles. People over there in that area love to see new working class money roll into that area. You leave a load and leave after three to five years with what you can scrap together for a tank of fuel. So they a new crop of glazed eyed tourist seeking eutopia in to replenish the four to six family land barons.

Retired people bring a lifetime of funds down and buy and live off the rest. They never spend a penny over there except to cut their grass. That have to take second jobs at the Shore Stop fuel stops and cigarette stands to survive on. The natives in that area complain about the Mexican migrants receiving food stamps upon arrival on the spot in the springtime and they have to wait till the check comes on the first.

Seaside Rd. goes all the way from the bottom of the shore a the mouth of the Chesepeake Bay up to below Chincoteague and filled with slum areas and hosues falling down. Exmore voted against indoor plumbing. When they build a new outhouse, they all have ribbon cutting party.

You will never listen to me about anything. And one thing for sure, you will have to depend on family to survive. You will save money by cutting wood. Because you will not have enough to buy fuel oil or electricity to heat your house.

Perdue and the great Tyson Chicken plants of the Arkansas evil corporation are the main industry on the shore. Carpel Tunnel Syndrome is the best hope of any early retirement in the area.

Yes these are harsh words for many here. Am I asking anyone to listen? You see my post, just hit the ignore button.

[Donn]

Oyster...since you seem to have forgotten, here is the thread about Chincotegue:

http://media5.hypernet.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=007032

[On Vacation]

Yes oh great one, I know. I am just tired of being attacked on here. Bug off my case , too. :( :(

[Mike H.]

:D

[Dave Fleming]

O&O East, I like Rum in any way shape or form. :D

This project? As I have said before, it either is a labour of love or a challenge.
Depends on your goal.
To just get the thing back in the water or to restore it to factory floor condition.
Hercules is long gone now so if you are planning on restoring that engine you are gonna be dependent on the aftermarket and them folks ain't gonna be giving parts away. So god knows what a rebuilt Herc. is gonna cost.
If you replace that Herc. with motor X you should find one that as closely as possible approximates the Herc. in weight and output just so you don't mess up the trim of the boat and do serious surgery to the engine bed scantlings.
That's for starters.
Now the actual hull itself. Again based on just how far you wish to go, you need to esitmate the amount of wood ( of similar variety ) you might need, fastenings to be replaced etc..
Oh there's lots there to cogitate about.

[Donn]

O&O West...If I take her, I'd not restore her to factory condition. I'd probably look to make her into a nice deep open 22 center console..with the console doubling as the engine box. I did some research on the engine, and it's a pretty simple straight 6, easily replaced with something newer. I also found quite a few sources for parts for Hercules engines. I had to rebuild a couple of old Grays back in my Lyman days, and they were also easy to find parts for...of course that was 35 years ago. I'm much more comfortable with motors of the 40's-60's than the new stuff.

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Has anybody had their physical hands on this boat to determine what is left?...and just to comment on motors and parts, I have found a WIDE range of prices on parts for CC motors. In my own case, I had to buy an intake manifold, and found a $150 US swing in the price. I just picked up those two transmissions in Buffalo NY and paid $66 US for both.. One used parts dealer wanted $750 US each for used ones. I have been seriously thinking about collecting CC motor parts for a part time job. (I have not shared this with Debi :eek: )
Anyway, my most expensive and scarce commodity is time, so I guess I am willing to pay a little to find a boat that is a little less of a project. BUT..... Ebay is selling a Barrelback 19'.. and its rough, but a much rarer boat... I would love to have one :D

[Leon m]

Hey oyster!
I think your cool and Im not even a republican :D
Please stick around some of us think you give
good advice.
Leon M

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Hey Donn been thinking of a quickie restoration job on her for you that would piss off Oyster to no end. Here is what I say ya do get a nice fat angle grinder 9 inch or so. Ya grind till ya hit clean wood then get a big ass orbital or belt sander on her just to fair her somewhat. Then some good West System goo to fill in her cracks lay a nice 9 or 12 oz biaxal cloth on her hull and more goo sand more goo sand and paint. Drop any ol engine in her go out and beat her up and have fun. Were talking a weekend project. smile.gif smile.gif

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

I've been thinking. :eek: I think there are a number of basic camps out here in Forumland. 1)The professional builder/designer who makes their living with boats, not always wooden ones. 2)The restorer, who makes serious effort to bring the boat back to its original condition.3) The home builder, who repairs or builds boats based on a wide range of interests,passions,lifestyles, and family history's with Boats.4) The Boataholics, who upon seeing anything made of wood that even vaguely resembles a boat, stops everything they are doing to fantasize about what they could do with it. CBL is a real and physical statistic in their lives. Their wives, having had some vague interest in boating at the start, are seriously frightened by their husbands behaviour, and wish sometimes they would just chase women instead. That would be a manageable disease. Sometimes on rainy days, groups of these men get together to play pooh sticks, since that involves boating of a sort. If it was left up to them, there would be a great ghost of a ocean graveyard of old boats in their backyard, and a full description of what the project entails for each one.

.... Anyway, I think I am a restorer maybe (at this point) ..the best economic return on a vintage boat like this is full restoration, but I am just looking at the pictures (I would find a more easily restorable version too) :eek: :D

[ion barnes]

Just to go back a bit, I believe that this boat's pedigree is still in debate? Yes/No? I humbly sujest that it could be a Greavette?

[Donn]

Joe...thanks for the legwork, but I've decided to pass. I'm going to restrict myself to something that can be put in the water, and worked on afloat, if necessary....even if it costs more than free.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Good idea donn. I drove passed it the other day and it just made me shiver thinking about all the work involved, and would it even be worth it. The old lady in the woods looks like she is gonna stay there and turn back to mulch. The woman that owns her passed by my house the other day and said the restoration group was not interested in her due to the amount of work. So she is back on the block.