Another boat quiz

[Dick Wynne]

Alright, what's this and where to be found? (Middle Earth maybe?)

http://static.flickr.com/11/13334131_9b56132b0f.jpg?v=0

[ 09-03-2005, 06:28 PM: Message edited by: Dick Wynne ]

[ishmael]

Kinda hobbit-ish alright. I'm having a hard time with the scale. The cabin, the lines, the tiller don't seem to belong together.

Whimsy. It doesn't often work on boats, but I like it here.

[Dick Wynne]

Originally posted by ishmael:
Kinda hobbit-ish alright. I'm having a hard time with the scale. The cabin, the lines, the tiller don't seem to belong together.

Whimsy. It doesn't often work on boats, but I like it here.About 35ft long, tiller is about 10ft...it's for real!

[ishmael]

Thanks, Dick. That's about the size I was guessing, but the visual clues, particularly the tiller, are a bit contradictory. "Ten foot" sorts it out.

I like it! While tradition in construction has good reason, it's also fun when someone plays a bit.

Who is the French designer, that some love and some hate, who has a touch of whimsy in his work? Mostly schooners. Heavily raked spars, little touches here and there. His stuff always makes me think of the 18th century, for some reason.

[Dave Fleming]

I went through my CD of photos of Dutch vessels and whilst there were a few close to that image, nothing quite like it.

[paladin]

maybe part portagee origins......along china coast

[boat fan]

The french designer may be Bombigher,I don`t think it`s one of his though...

[Dick Wynne]

Originally posted by boat fan:
The french designer may be Bombigher,I don`t think it`s one of his though...Bombigher's designs are here:

http://www.classic-yacht-design.com/

He died in January 2003. And no, it's not one of his. It's an indigenous workboat design (although this example is recently built) from ???

[ 09-03-2005, 07:43 PM: Message edited by: Dick Wynne ]

[Frank E. Price]

Hmm. Looks like some highfalutin' modernized norske knarr. Gaff rig? That's cutting it mighty high.

Something like the boat in Topsails and Battle Axes ? If so, it would be found in Norway.

Frank

[ishmael]

I didn't mean to suggest it was one of Bombigher's.

I'm clueless as to what it is, but the pitched roof on the cabin cracks me up. Is that metal sheeting, or maybe solar cells?

[Frank E. Price]

Now, now. It's just good old clapboards, no? Longer lived and easier to repair than plywood. Looks like my kind of boat, if I didn't have to build it. Looks like a snug cuddy.

Frank

[ishmael]

Yeah, I guess you're right, Frank. It has a shine on this screen that looks metallic.

[Dick Wynne]

Well it's bedtime here in UK. To put you out of misery - it's a 'big boat' (storbåt in Swedish). Originally used, I believe, to transport farm produce and livestock in the Baltic. This one snapped at Naantali on the W Coast of Finland in 2003. I was told that sheep make good movable ballast, due to their antipathy towards water...but they normally use rocks. This one has an engine I think, which helps a bit.

[Frank E. Price]

Well, alrighty then. Next question: what's the difference between a storbat and a knarr?

Frank

[Dick Wynne]

Originally posted by Frank E. Price:
Well, alrighty then. Next question: what's the difference between a storbat and a knarr?

FrankI know nothing much about either type, but Google helped out with Knarrs, they appear to be 'viking-ship-shaped':

http://www.cdli.ca/CITE/v_knarr.htm

the storbåt is beamier, with gaff rig and a transom stern.

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[Dave R]

www.stnikolaus.net/ (http://www.stnikolaus.net/) suomi/storbotlotta.html
http://www.stnikolaus.net/kuvat/lottateksteilla.gif
http://www.stnikolaus.net/kuvat/113-1387_IMG.jpg

[Frank E. Price]

Good stuff, gents. Thanks. Now all I need is a fair young Finn maiden to translate for me. Do you know what their period is (the storbats). They are the first square-enders I had heard of in the Baltic, not that I know much more than nothing of the subject. What with the sprit and gaff rigs, forgetting the engine for now, might they be a transitional type, from being knarr-like to being more galeass-like?

Frank

[Alan D. Hyde]

Frank, that's what Benjamin Franklin liked to call "a sleeping dictionary."

Best way to learn a language, he claimed.

There's undoubtedly something to be said for the thought. :D

Alan

[ 09-09-2005, 06:28 PM: Message edited by: Alan D. Hyde ]

[Frank E. Price]

AHA!!

The old gourd has gotten pretty mold-clogged, but I've learned that with patience a nut once dropped in occasionally returns something useful. Last night it happened again, and this morning when I got to the library (Saturday is my day of public service) I googled on the slumber's return to confirm it.

The knarr-like type name I had been trying to recall from Cunliffe's book is femboring. Cunliffe and the rest of the crew of his Bristol Bay pilot cutter came across this boat, up the Hardanger I think, visited the boat and took some pictures. Let's see now; what was the name of the cutter?

If you're interested, google on femboring. Some great stuff. Several especially downright voluptuous pictures at www.stockshots.no. (http://www.stockshots.no.) If you want to go subsistence cruising, that's the classy way to do it.

It's a good thing I don't have a terminal at home, or I'd really be terminal.

Say, Alan, isn't there something updated on that idea of Franklin's -- a tape player under the pillow or something?

Frank

[Kim Whitmyre]

Looks like a fembøring, eh?

http://members.dslextreme.com/users/kwhitmyre/images/femboring.jpg

http://members.dslextreme.com/users/kwhitmyre/images/femboring1.jpg

BTW, that's James Wharram in the hat. . .

Kim

[ 09-10-2005, 01:26 PM: Message edited by: Kim Whitmyre ]

[Frank E. Price]

Well, that looks like a femboring to me, but I'm just a stargazer. As I understand from the above it might be a storbat if it had a square stern and fore and aft rig, but it doesn't.

Is that taken in California?

Frank

[Frank E. Price]

Man, this is getting quickstep. I was just looking at your picture again and thought, hey that looks like JW himself. Is it from the Wharram site?

Frank

[Kim Whitmyre]

Frank,

Yes, somewhere on the Wharram site: perhaps one of his "letters." In the Med or Europe, not California.

Kim

[ 09-10-2005, 02:02 PM: Message edited by: Kim Whitmyre ]

[Frank E. Price]

Okay, once more, then I quit.

Not mentioned yet in this thread is that whereas the longships and knarrs have their rudders hung over the side, the femborings and storbats have their rudders hung on the sternpost. More evidence perhaps that these are both somewhat later developments than the knarrs? We need a squarehead here to tell us what's what.

The cutter's name was Hirta. I think.

Want construction pictures? There are 42, count 'em, of a femboring under construction at eldjarnbaat.no/femboring, nearly plank by plank. From the pix available on these Norwegian sites, it looks like femborings have been a big deal there for awhile. Cool stuff.

Frank