Friday pic. a new one just given to me.

[John B]

Taken when we were away at Christmas. The guys we cruise with had it. A new desktop for me anyway.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd48/Waione_photos/Misc%20compressed%20ex%20imagest/IMG_0036.jpg

I like it mostly because of where we were and the time too. Its entering Whangaroa harbour in Northland NZ. Whangaroa has this 200 metre wide( approx... if that) entrance and the harbour forks out into several arms with some dramatic rock formations and great shelter. We had left the cavalli islands and just loped down the 15 miles or so to Whangaroa. We were running in there against the tide and quite a chop was building up. the boats coming out were really hopping actually.

As we came in I related to the kids the story of a tragic loss there in the 80's . An NZ race yacht ,Lionheart, had come back from the islands in a gale and all aboard were very ill. Under pressure from the crew, the skipper agreed to try and enter Whangaroa at night in the storm but misjudged the position of the entrance. They ran on the rocks and all crew except the skipper died. plenty of lessons in that one. it certainly stuck in my mind. All the more tragic as 20 miles further down the coast ... another few hours and they were free and clear.
From some angles you can't see the entrance until you're virtually square off it.

anyway.. great days ... great cruise this year.

[Garrett Lowell]

Thanks John. I thought you'd given up the Friday pics.

[Leon Steyns]

John,

That is a fantastic picture! Thank you for posting.

Just one thing, though: my desktop is a tad larger than 450x338... Could you please provide a link to a larger version? [shameless begging mode, I know... redface.gif redface.gif ].

Greets, Leon Steyns.

[bamamick]

Thanks, John. Beautiful picture of a beautiful day.

I could use a day like that right now. Over 50" of rain so far this year and it's raining now. Star districts tomorrow. In the rain, I fear. Oh, for a day of sunshine and not-too-oppresive heat.

Mickey Lake

[ 07-15-2005, 09:00 AM: Message edited by: bamamick ]

[Tim Diebert]

Fab pic John. Thanks for posting it. :D
Headsails down because you are close to harbour or it's what you had up outside?
Single reefed main and no headsail, a config you use often? Just curious me.

[John B]

Just running out Garrett. Or, at least, I've forgotten which ones I've used or not :rolleyes:
I have a bigger file at work Leon. I can email it to you or upload a bigger one to imagestation.

Weathers been all over the place here Mickey,but nothing like the stuff you've been hammered with.touch wood.

Tim, Cruise mode. We spent a lot of that cruise with 1 or 2 reefs in actually. 1 reef in is pretty convenient to set and drop etc and its still 500 ft so its reasonable in 10 and ranges easliy through 20 knots plus.
Yes, we'd just reached down the coast and gybed for the gap so when the jib starts to backwind we just put it away. It was a hands full time actually.We were close to being by the lee and couldn't go much lower because of the way the boat was yawing around in the sea. Other boats coming out at us so we had to stick to a track, and I was worried the wind might veer in the entrance and force a gybe. Kirsty has the mainsheet in her hand ready in case and to dampen the snubbing. All fine though. And just lovely inside the harbour.

[John B]

I seem to have only uploaded 1 pic of the harbour .With 2 of the 3 boats we cruise with.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid155/pd68ab8c6589584db7efc7af969a8e20e/f5561290.jpg

The beneteau thatwillnotsailtowindward, the boat we winter race on, and us.
uploaded another...
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid177/p1f3f62a79f31957ace78e4380142c89f/f33e63f2.jpg

another one in the harbour with the magnificent Bounty, Casablanca.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid155/p9904b03041e58ce64587f3c7d6b607a2/f5561292.jpg

[ 07-15-2005, 11:38 PM: Message edited by: John B ]

[Tim Diebert]

Thanks John. A very clear image in mind. Hoping to haul enough sheet to keep up with that boom if she comes across smile.gif
These additional pix are excellent as well.
Waione is one of my personal all time favs for sure.

The beneteau thatwillnotsailtowindward willnot as opposed to cannot?
As in a "gentleman never sails to wind"? :D

[John B]

will not as in :despite 50 years of sailing experience in many keel boats , nothing you do will make it sail to windward in an acceptable fashion. A lemon. So I mean the same as cannot. :D . Nice big motor in it though.

as for that "gentlemen...." crock... :rolleyes:
no I definitely don't mean that.

[ 07-16-2005, 05:38 PM: Message edited by: John B ]

[John R - Kitenui]

What a superb shot John

[Tim Diebert]

:despite 50 years of sailing experience in many keel boats , nothing you do will make it sail to windward in an acceptable fashion. A lemon. So I mean the same as cannot I can't recall ever hearing such a thing. One of the heralded Beneteau mark not sailing to windward? A lemon....imagine. :cool: Is it all the boats of this model or just this particular boat? Is this common and something I have missed? Sorry to be so......aghast :D

[John B]

Its a goody eh John. I just love it. right up there with that series of yours at Mahurangi and Jase's from the regatta.

I know very little about them Tim. I know that this one was being sailed by experienced guys, that it was sailing with another 32 ft boat when coming up the coast(Tony's boat... our winter boat), and that nothing Bill and Mike did would make the thing go anywhere near Tony( who was sailing single handed. In fact they had to give up and drop off down to leeward to another harbour. Got up early and motored to catch up. There was something else odd. It had a permanent list to starboard because there was literally no space to port. all fluid tanks and storage lockers were all to starboard! weird.

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[Stiletto]

Nice pic John, I remember heading into Whangaroa in a rainstorm on a friend's launch. He hadnt been there before and took a bit of convincing that the entrance was where I said it was, when all of a sudden it opened up before us. I dont know which one of us was most relieved. Did you have a shower under the waterfall up past the doc hut? Kids love that.

[John B]

Not this time Stiletto. I stayed on the boat while the 3 boat loads went on the mission. Its a neat harbour. i stopped in on our recent road trip. The guy who owns the bounty had it out of the water in front of his house... just down from the pub.!

[Steveh]

Reminds me when Jo, Reuben and I were up there a couple of years back. We went in search for the waterfall , nice row up through the mangroves. Ended up going on a long bush walk. When we returned to Ngatira, rowing, two young girls, 10-12 year olds about, motored up to us in their inflatable, that they were annoying most of the bay with to ask if we were in trouble and would we like a tow! LOL. :eek:

They obviously didn’t know what ores were or how to use them!!

Unfortunately for us when we were there it didn’t much drop below 10-15knots and would gust down the valleys.

I do remember feasting on oysters though.

[John B]

Any news on that 40 ft dinghy of yours Steve. Fitted the rowlocks yet? feel free to post a photo of it. There's a bit of a Norwegian theme going at the moment so a pic of your viking ship would be appreciated I'm sure.

Seen Galatea? new garboard gone in I see.

[Tim Diebert]

Just found this on Dave P's site. I am sure you have seen it John, other may not have.

http://home.xtra.co.nz/hosts/david77/waione.jpg

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Interesting; I like Tim was struck by the lack of headsails; boats differ and I would never sail Mirelle without a jib set (use w/m roller so can dump it v fast) though I usually stow the staysail early so as to clear the foredeck and allow a good view.

With no jib set I would not be confident of her paying off at low speed if we had to luff for some reason.

[Matt J.]

If that's what it looks like down there... WE'RE MOVING!

Very [scratch that] Incredibly pretty pictures. We found Rarus didn't want her jib up while running, either. It was just shadowed by the main, and we didn't feel like bothering with wing and wing.

Anyone not love Waione? Anyone? Anyone? smile.gif

[Tim Diebert]

About the only sail combination I have not tried on my own little gaffer is main only. I guess I should try that soon.
I love to pole out the lapper and WnW. With pole out and well adjusted for length, the sheet well aft about where a spinaker fairlead would be....it is easy and almost self tending <liar>...and a lot more forgiving. I have a small wool telltail on the shroud that is in just the right spot...if you have that rascal at just the right angle pointing towards the slot you have the sweetspot. :D Sailed for about an hour WnW yesterday. Blue sky, 31 degrees (88f), puffy white clouds, a cooler full of frosty tubes, good company and a light working breeze. Heaven. Yesterday was a tops'l day.....gotta get me oneadose.

Anyway, John.....have you any images on line of her out of the water? Always been curious as to the shape.
Also, what's Waione's age and who's the designer? I had read this once on that NZ photogs site...but forgot because there were dozens of sets of specs over there. :D

[John B]

Yeah, its beautiful up there. I wanna go. In about 4 months.
On a flat run the jib just slaps around and makes no difference to the balance( which is typical Edwardian big main gorilla stuff). If we were on a set course for any length of time we'd either be just off a run to set the jib, or we would have the staysail poled out .. which funnels a breeze into the jib. As for speed.... we're doing about 7 there so although heavy on the helm in that configuration, she's still got plenty of manouvreability. you're right though Andrew. If it was light she'd not pay off from a stop on the wind. What I do in that situation is either reel off the jib( backwinded perhaps), or just keep dumping mainsheet with the helm up. Then, on a reach she'll get enough way on to steer even under main alone. Normally though.. in any close quarter situation I would definitely have the jib out and drawing. Back when we were without a motor for 7 years or so we had her rigged bermudan and she'd pay off very easily then under main.

[John B]

She is 41 on deck x 8'6"x 6'3 or 4 .est displacement? somewhere around the 6.5 to 7 ton mark I think.
Here's one Tim. I have heaps but where? There's one neat one I took at dawn one year. ruined by a car in the shot.......can't find it
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid31/pfa1cc559fdb56126e9942f38ec72c696/fd478f31.jpg
Pretty radical nock in her keel. Its a 1900...1910 thing. they tended to get some forefoot back again after that. Her little ( older,1903)sister is more radical actually with a dead vertical leading edge on the keel.
they turn well.

another.. pretty firm bilges makes for little room inside. A lot less volume than other similar sized/aged boats built here.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid137/pdc720306e658bfe868a63468f9472dd4/f731da22.jpg

and a better beam shot. found these in a different album :rolleyes:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid137/p4e3fbef49cf815f436bc546f12abed4d/f73a6225.jpg

[ 07-18-2005, 06:49 PM: Message edited by: John B ]

[Jase]

This what you mean John??

http://www.fordrsoc.org.nz/jase/Janet.jpg

Always thought she had an unusual underwater profile... very pretty topides and sheer tho....

[Stiletto]

She sure has a great sheer! smile.gif

[John B]

Waione has a lot of sheer and going from the historical photos I have, she was built that way.I wondered for years whether she'd been pulled up by the backstay but... not that I can see or tell.

Yes Jase .. Janet . She has the sweetest hull!
What is she? 1902... 03? unrestored hull and nothing wrong with her. Take her out and thrash her like she was made yesterday. She is a gem. I'd have a bowsprit and a gaff rig in that boat so quick you'd miss it happening if you blinked. I like the concept of the way they rebuilt her deck/cabin with the big cockpit so they could have her for a day racer. But she either needs a self draining cockpit or set back coamings. They've flooded her a few times.Pulled out of a few races because of it.

Yes.. 03. . We did her centennial race when it blew 40 and she had to withdraw or go to davy jones. We had a crash gybe in the race but kept our rig. :eek:

Function after at the Devonport Yacht Club.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid40/p0716fcb0d81688f5223d8fd232bb6b9b/fd02cf60.jpg

[ 07-18-2005, 10:18 PM: Message edited by: John B ]

[Jase]

always looked a smidge wet tho smile.gif

http://www.fordrsoc.org.nz/jase/Janet1.jpg

she looked stunning as a gaffer!!!

http://www.fordrsoc.org.nz/jase/JanetGaff.jpg

[John B]

I have very few photos of her really. here's one 2 years ago at mahurangi.. about to get monstered by Iorangi.She's a neat boat.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid102/pdab3783c27eb345d4b931861dc75a823/f9cd12ad.jpg

Jase did you hear Aoma may come back here?

[ 07-18-2005, 10:31 PM: Message edited by: John B ]

[Jase]

yep Russel rang me this morning to tell me, he also mentioned there was another one available.... didn't drop the name tho.

[Tim Diebert]

Thanks John. You are a fortunate fulla.

[Stiletto]

My remark about the great sheer was a compliment to its appearance, not a remark on its scale. It looks good to my eyes, so nicely proportioned with the freeboard.

[ 07-19-2005, 06:52 AM: Message edited by: Stiletto ]

[John B]

Sorry Stiletto, I knew that. ;) did I sound unhappy? I didn't mean to. Yes I think she's got a pretty sheer too but she's old and I always wondered if those hot rod rigs she had through the 60's had pulled her stern up. The reality is the early photos are very similar to what she is now and the sheer is progressive with no hooks or humps . I think she's pretty much as built in that regard.

[Kim Whitmyre]

John B,

I ask this because of the obvious amount of seamanship that is displayed thru your wonderful posts and pictures of the New Zealand boating scene. Looking at the gorgeous shots from, I believe, the Classic Yacht Regatta, the only vessel whose crew wore life vests appeared to be "Prize."

Is this due to the fact that there are vessels all around, and thus the crews feel comfortable without vests? The boating press around here (U.S.) is constantly urging all boaters to always wear a vest/life jacket of some kind. I'm a new sailor and am curious as to your views on this subject.

Kim

[John B]

Hi Kim,
As rule you won't find yachtsmen wearing jackets unless they think the conditions warrant it. Different boats have different rules as to harnesses or life jackets though.Prize went into charter for a while and as a part of her certification she had to have those self inflating units and those particular guys might feel more secure for it.
I'll wear one racing if I have my wet weather gear on ,or at night.

[Jase]

James is the only one on Rawene who wears one, the rest of us are too old and stubborn (stupid) to think we need one.

pondering adding a harness setup to Loloma as i sail her mainly alone and have had odd moments i think to my self wonder what would happen if I fell overboard...... anyone actually had to "self recover" in a harness.....?? sounds difficult being dragged along at 5 knots...

[ 07-20-2005, 11:51 PM: Message edited by: Jase ]

[John B]

There's a reason why all new harnesses must have clips on both ends Jase. The old single hooked, permanent lanyard units will not pass any category regulations now.

[Jase]

Ah ha!! Must pass that on... we used them going to Mahurangi earlier this yr and they were fixed at one end and a right pain in the A__e.

So whats the right technique then hang a rope ladder over the counter?? grab the dink as she shoots past smile.gif etc

[John B]

We still have one of the old type but its better than none. I'd carry on using it if you don't want to invest in a new one. Failing that.. get yourself down to safety at sea and get an inflating jacket/harness combination.Don't get the auto inflate unit. While you're at it,get the immersion activated strobe light. Heads are hard to spot at night.

[mikeblack]

Gentlemen, I apologise for becoming as member in the last day and finding this post so many years late. All the work on Aoma has been presented now in one place at www.squidoo.com/aoma (http://www.squidoo.com/aoma) and my Kiwi friends will be aware of her situation being detailed on the forum recently sat the Classic Yacht Associaiton of New Zealand website. Please visit the squidoo site and log any guest comments there...the site is comprehensive with the history of many Logan boats and photos of Aoma. I have no idea how back in 2005 you heard that Aoma may come back as I was not actively marketing her nevertheless my idea was to attempt to package Yuelba and Aoma together and get them back to Auckland. Current conversations in play on that note.