NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

[Magwitch]

At last a cut 'n paste that's worth reading,,,,,,

EU threat to Stockholm Tar
An EU directive banning biocides, to be implemented in June 2006, threatens to include Stockholm tar. The aromatic pine extract used for dressing rigging, preserving wooden hulls and many other purposes seems to have been swept in under a catch-all definition involving "extracts and oils of plants and microorganisms " with a "controlling effect of any harmful organism by chemical or biological means, intended to destroy, deter, render harmless, prevent the action of, or otherwise exert a controlling effect". Cultural heritage bodies in Northern Europe were not included in the initial consultation, despite the use of the tar in many historic buildings in Scandinavia, as well as its maritime uses. Now however, ship preservationists in Denmark, Norway, Sweden and the Shetlands are beginning to band together to have Stockholm tar withdrawn for the list. Stokholm tar is made by closed combustion of pine trees and especially their roots; originally called 'peasant tar' it was produced in many districts of Sweden, but from 1648 a sole export licence meant all of it passed through Stockholm, in barrels marked 'Stockhom Tar'.

dmb/Classic Boat, 28 January 2005

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

I need to lay in a couple of gallons. At least.

[Magwitch]

I know a bloke in Hartlepool can get it in 45gal drums. Shall I put you down for a couple? smile.gif

IanW

[Hughman]

Ian,

I'll take one. You'll bring it across with you when you come? :D

I'll send you off with a similar barrel of Andrews Porter. smile.gif

[Dave Fleming]

If Stockholm Tar is going to be banned then is Venice Turpentine going the same route?

[Magwitch]

It seems all traditional non brand products are on their way out. Not permitted to spray soft soap in gardens any more even though Grandpa's Grandpa knew it was good against aphids. Very hard to buy old fashoned ammonia for domestic use but you can buy branded, and much more expensive, products that do the job less well.
Not even permitted to spray soft fruit bushes with dilute pee against fungus and mould though it works and has done without harm since the Roman times
I'm buying old stuff in bulk to last my time out. The 40lbs of oxalic acid, the 10 liters of ammonia from Holland, the 2 gallons of phosphoric acid in my shed is only a start,,,,,, and I think another 20 Verey flares might be a good plan. smile.gif
Any more for my list?

IanW

[ 02-10-2005, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: Magwitch ]

[Andrew S/Y Rocquette]

Can you still get flares for Verey Pistols these days? Thought they were proscribed under firearms legislation...

[Tom Robb]

Why do you guys let EU busybodies run amuk like this?
Ya gotta keep bureaucrats on a short leash :rolleyes:
Havn't y'all learned from watching ours?

[Meerkat]

Originally posted by Tom Robb:
Why do you guys let EU busybodies run amuk like this?
Ya gotta keep bureaucrats on a short leash :rolleyes:
Havn't y'all learned from watching ours?They are being corporatized in ways that we have been done for some time.

Corporations, in general, don't care whether one product works better than another - they just care whether it puts money in their pockets. The whores holding the towels are governments.

[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

Can your man in Hartlepool get Cymag?

[Tom Robb]

Jeez, it's enough to make me consider being a Libertarian :(

[Magwitch]

Originally posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt:
Can your man in Hartlepool get Cymag?If your boat is infested with long eared furry gentlemen, or rather if Hartlepool fishermen find them a problem then, yes, probably,,,,,,, smile.gif

IanW

[Magwitch]

Originally posted by Andrew S/Y Rocquette:
Can you still get flares for Verey Pistols these days? Thought they were proscribed under firearms legislation...Yes, you can still get them, but the number of suppliers are reducing, I only know of one.
You do need a firearms certificate, but as long as the only item on the cert is a Flare pistol (and flares)as safty equipment on a boat, the certificate is free. I've just renewed mine, Four pages, four photos, two referees and an interview. Once every five years.
IanW

[Bill Perkins]

" Four pages, four photos, two referees and an interview. Once every five years". For a flare gun ? This is thumb sucking absurdity .

[Magwitch]

Originally posted by Bill Perkins:
" Four pages, four photos, two referees and an interview. Once every five years". For a flare gun ? This is thumb sucking absurdity .Try telling 'em you want a hand gun for personal protection and see how the police react,,,,,,,, smile.gif

IanW

[Don Z.]

Originally posted by Magwitch:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bill Perkins:
" Four pages, four photos, two referees and an interview. Once every five years". For a flare gun ? This is thumb sucking absurdity .Try telling 'em you want a hand gun for personal protection and see how the police react,,,,,,,, smile.gif

IanW</font>[/QUOTE]Gosh. Perhaps James Madison did have a point.

[uncas]

Bureaucratic BS...It just ain't guns...
Went down to the DNR ( Dept. of Natural Res. ) yesterday to see what kind of paperwork I had to fill out to register an 8' 35 yr. old dyer dinghy I inherited from my father...Wanted a title, registration, blood type, you name it. Connecticut does not require a title for a dinghy...nor does it require registering a dinghy...hence no paperwork..hence...glitch...
Also no bill of sale...for a 35 yr. old dinghy :confused: ( the lady even checked on CT's laws regarding dinghy registration )
It's gonna take me two months to register it and one heck of a pain in the b***t all so that MD. can collect a little tax money on the value of the dinghy...whatever that is.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

On the other hand...

We can own and sail anywhere in any boat we feel like up to 45ft LOA, with no bureaucracy at all.

No Certificates of Competence

No Registration

No safety inspections

Just go sailing

And you poor unfortunates have all that thumb sucking absurdity just to own a boat? :D

[Leon Steyns]

Andrew,

Count your blessings, it won't last forever. Before you know it, you need a license to look at a boat... :D :D :mad:

Greets, Leon Steyns.

[ 02-11-2005, 08:36 AM: Message edited by: Leon Steyns ]

[uncas]

Andrew C. Bennett
and an 8' dyer dinghy is barely a boat....

On the other hand...

There are some people out there who should take some sort of boating course as some have no idea what the heck is going on and the responsibilities involved in operating a boat...
Heck, some don't even know what a chart is...and think a Triple A road map is just fine! :rolleyes:

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Well, well.

I've learned something.

The Land of the Free is quite relaxed about its citizens owning firearms, but takes a very dim view of those same citizens owning something really dangerous, like an 8ft dinghy!

Actually, being serious for a moment, as leon says the chances of us retaining this freedom are not that good - the Dutch, the British and the Danes seem very relaxed about it but the French and the Germans like to licence boating...

[uncas]

ACB:
I heard that about the French/Germans...Was discussing chartering a boat in France with an individual whop was heading over that way...A lic. was required unless ( if I am not mistaken ) the boat is registered in the US...Hence chartering a French or a German vessel requires the individual to have a lic.
Times, they are achangin'

[StevenBauer]

Hey Andrew - is that your boat on page 38 of issue #200 of ClassicBoat magazine? Pretty cool to be voted into the top 200 Classic boats.

Steven

[Mirelle]

Dear Stephen,

Yes, that is I. Not a particularly flattering portrait, I might add; there was almost no wind, that day, and young Craig-Bennett (I call him that - he is a mere stripling of 52) is pottering about on my foredeck whilst a certain Ian Wright is waggling the tiller in a desultory way.

Furthermore, my most flattering view is from the quarter, showing off my particularly attractive counter!

Frankly, a lady who is ranked "130th most desirable" does not quite know whether to feel flattered or not!

Still, the boy has only had the care of me for twenty years, and I am still curing him of bad habits. In a few years he will be able to sail me quite well.

Thank you once again.

Mirelle

Reg. No. 166102, 8 in 1837 at Ipswich, 6 69/100 tons nett.

[carioca1232001]

ABC wrote:

On the other hand...

We can own and sail anywhere in any boat we feel like up to 45ft LOA, with no bureaucracy at all.

No Certificates of Competence

No Registration

No safety inspections

Just go sailing

And you poor unfortunates have all that thumb sucking absurdity just to own a boat? Is this rather relaxed atmosphere restricted to the world of sailing-boats, or extensible to power-boats as well ?

Well, British authorities can be quite finnicky about motor-cars, with their MOT certification and the rest of it.

On the other hand, one of my sisters hired a power-boat on one of the Swiss lakes some 10 years ago, as effortlessly as one would order a sandwich. :cool:

I was absolutely dumbfounded that they let her operate this rather powerful 25 ft. twin-engined boat on her own, with her two young children on board, after giving her a 15-minute crash-course on the essentials of seamanship ! :eek:

She is a reasonable driver, though, never ducked any of her MOTs as far as I am aware, and made it back to the dock, safe and sound - thank God ! :rolleyes:

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Power boats as well. Unlimited horsepower.

[carioca1232001]

Errrr...let me think......a nation of seafarers .....who could they be ?

Porttttt....uguese or ...Brrrrrr..itish ? :rolleyes:

Dom Infante Henrique, responsible for the discovery of sea routes to Asia, was himself the son of an English Princess.

[Don Z.]

Originally posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett:
On the other hand...

We can own and sail anywhere in any boat we feel like up to 45ft LOA, with no bureaucracy at all.

No Certificates of Competence

No Registration

No safety inspections

Just go sailing

And you poor unfortunates have all that thumb sucking absurdity just to own a boat? :D It's not that we need to go through the absurdity...

It's that they figured out a way to tax it!

Let me tell you about the car inspection I had that they wouldn't pass because it didn't have any rear seat belts... the fact that it didn't have any rear seats did not seem to have any impression upon them!

[carioca1232001]

It's that they figured out a way to tax it!
Are you saying that the British tax boats whereas the US does not ?

Would they be taxed at time of purchase ? Seller, buyer or both ?

What if you had to cart off a rotting wreck on the shore that no one wants ? Would you still be taxed ?

And if someone were to donate a no-resale-value 50-100 year old wooden boat to you, instead of throwing it at the dustmen, or at Steptoe and Son ?

I can envision a tax-collector viewing a person´s tax-return form and saying: "Well this chap has bought a boat - must have money stashed away somewhere"

This is exactly what the Greek taxman does, as a very good Greek friend told me. You get shifted into a higher tax bracket as a simple outcome of boat ownership. The details don´t matter. The fact that you have suddenly gained a sailable, seaworthy boat does. :eek:

[uncas]

I put this on another thread...somewhere. BUT it applies here.....
Went to the DNR office yesterday to register an eight foot Dyer Dow dinghy I had inherited from my father. The dinghy is 30 plus years old. CT does not have a registration requirement...Nor does it require that an owner have a title...MD does!
So...immediate glitch...Can't register the boat...my father is dead...Does not have a registration...previously unnecessary....does not have a title....previously unnecessary....
No bill of sale...It was not sold to me....
Was told to come up with a value...I came up with $100.00...
It seems the only reason for this Bureaucratic BS is so the state can put a 5% tax on a dinghy not even worth the oarlocks on it.
It's gonna take me two months to get the damn'd thing registered...and to top it off the little seagull I plan on putting on it was given to me by a workman from my boatyard...Another problem in the forecast.

[carioca1232001]

....Was told to come up with a value...I came up with $100.00...
It seems the only reason for this Bureaucratic BS is so the state can put a 5% tax on a dinghy not even worth the oarlocks on it .
So Uncas I see boats are taxed in the US but probably not in Britain, just the inverse of what I had surmisd in my previous posting.

I mean if you had to buy a brand-new boat at a boatyard would they require you to pay a tax at time of purchase, or is this tax simply embedded in the price and then siphoned-off to govt. ? What if you bought a second-hand boat ?

For instance if you buy a flat or whatever real-estate in Brazil, brand-new or second-hand, there is a Taxa de Transferência (2%-5% of sale price) to be coughed up within 90 days or so to govt., or else you cannot register the deed of putchase. No wonder, such transactions tend to cite rock-bottom real estate prices, besides other equally strong motives towards this end. ;)

If you buy a brand-new car, the govt.tax is close to 33 % of sale price. I suppose this horrific taxation is embeded in all subsequent transactions even as the goods depreciate, but the govt. sees the 33 % only once (economists, may see it every time such goods change hands !)

I have never bought a brand-new boat here nor a second-hand one, as mine was one destined for the confines of the sea-bed, when I stepped in and took her in. smile.gif

[JimJ]

Went down to the DNR ( Dept. of Natural Res. ) DNR "Do Not Resuscitate"

Quite appropriate for a bunch of bureaucrats :D

[uncas]

I do not know the details...Bought a car in NY...paid sales tax...moved to NS...taxed on the value of the car...moved to MD...taxed on the on the present value of the car ( the state's figure )...( seven yr. old car ).
Inherit a dinghy...I am sure there was sales tax when purchased...Now MD wants to tax the boat again...
If you buy a new boat...yes, there is a sales tax...approx. 5% of the price.
When I moved my 1948 Hinckley here...was taxed 3.5+ or - of the original price to register it.
It comes down to free money...for the state.

[carioca1232001]

I see that they take little nibbles every time they can. That moving-tax does not happen hear, unless manufacturer´s have their produced goods crossing state frontiers.

But in a normal lifetime as you (Americans) move more frequently than say gypsies do - no offence meant - the state ends up taking a nice chunk ;)

[Leon Steyns]

Andrew,

I hope you're not disappointed that Crystal (109th) beat Mirelle (130th) on the list? Wonder why she's listed as "Crystal II"?!

The CB-people must be a funny bunch: Vertue is 23rd, an Int'l 14 dinghy is 20th! Malabar X is 168th, Pen Duick 126th, Pride of Baltimore II is 103rd, Endeavour is 24th and Velsheda isn't even on the list, neither is Wenda... I'm lost here :rolleyes:

And 37ft doesn't equal 1.2m either... :D

Greets, Leon Steyns.

[ 02-11-2005, 07:47 PM: Message edited by: Leon Steyns ]

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Leon, we are going to get our revenge (maybe)...

see here:

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/667007/an/0/page/0#667007

I think that Bill Wallace-King ("Francis Fletcher") is about right in his prediction of the outcome.

Want to join in?

[Leon Steyns]

From the post I gather that if anyone can make an educated guess, it would be Bill Wallace-King (aka "Francis Fletcher")...

Still, my money's on Crystal... smile.gif

Greets, Leon Steyns.

[ssor]

Uncas, :cool: Sell the boat to John Doe of Connecticut for five dollars, Then have John Doe sell you the boat for ten dollars and give you a bill of sale. Then take the bill of sale to the DNR and register your legally acquired boat, complete with a receipt for the purchase price and a bill of sale to prove it. :cool:

[ 02-12-2005, 05:35 PM: Message edited by: ssor ]

[uncas]

I hope you don't mean Uncas :eek: http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid144/p5ffdc85863113d519f5da0d0309e4204/f67e47a3.jpg !!!!! :eek:
Even the dinghy is worth more than $5.00...He may keep it and sell it for $20.00...Also... As I don't own the dinghy or so I am told...can't sell it...
jamj
I have promised myself I'm gonna take a new picture of him under sail...But in that situation, I'm on the boat...and can't....

[ 02-12-2005, 08:12 PM: Message edited by: uncas ]

[Hwyl]

Originally posted by Mirelle:


Frankly, a lady who is ranked "130th most desirable" does not quite know whether to feel flattered or not!

Mirelle, you should have been ineligible for the competition, because your current caretaker has been known to write for Classic Boat---nepotism and all that

[uncas]

Hwyl...It ain't her fault that the indsividual on deck has written for Classic Boat...I think it is fine that she be in the competition...

[Leon Steyns]

Uncas,

If that's your boat in the picture: what a beauty!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Do I remember correctly that you have a Hinckley Sou'wester? Is she the one?

Greets, Leon Steyns.

[uncas]

Leon...Yup that guy using my name on these threads happens to own the paperwork....
Yup, I am an old SouWester 34 ( 1948 )
The guy did give me a fairly good overhaul though last year so he ain't all bad... smile.gif
The other Uncas and jamj.
ps.
The only thing that doesn't really go with Uncas is the ladder...came off an '55 Cris Craft! :D

[ 02-13-2005, 07:06 AM: Message edited by: uncas ]

[Henning 4148]

You do not need a certificate to operate a pleasure sailing craft under sail in Germany. But you will not be able to hire one unless you can provide some prove of competence (which a certificate would provide).

You do need a certificate to operate an engine exceeding 6 hp in Germany though.

The French are a bit tougher nowadays on their regulation requirements, but they do have some nasty coasts. You can hire boats on these coasts, so mandatory proof of competence is quite sensible.

The British - well, although you do not require a certificate there, you will normally not be able to hire a boat to sail in open waters without providing proof of competence. Which very often will be a certificate and their courses to obtain the certificates are very good (got two, still full of praise for what I learned). Also, on the British west coast you will find it difficult to hire a boat at all. So yes, you do not need to know anything to get on the water, but it will be difficult to do so in the more demanding areas unless you are prepared to do so in your own boat.

[uncas]

Henning 4148
As per my conversation with the guy heading for France and planning to charter a boat...If the boat is a US boat ( registered ), no certificate is nec. If it is a French/German boat...one is expected...
Correct me if I am wrong.

[Don Z.]

Originally posted by carioca1232001:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> It's that they figured out a way to tax it!
Are you saying that the British tax boats whereas the US does not ?

:eek: </font>[/QUOTE]No. I am saying the opposite.

Specifically, they have managed to convince everyone that boats must be registered in the name of "safety". Curiously, only powerboats need be registered (in MD). That is to say, the little 8 ft dinghy he is speaking of needs registration if you put the 3hp Seagull on it, while my 45', 18,000# 8 mR does not.

Hmmmm.

uncas... not sure why you paid the car taxes three times. When I brought my car into MD from CA, I just had to prove (via the invoice/CA registration) that the amount I paid in CA was greater than or equal to the amount MD wanted to charge. It helps to know the state regs better than the people behind the desk do. Of course, in my opinion, the fact that you are literate puts you one step above them on that count.

My trailer, on the other hand, was a bit more problematic. It was made by a company in CA, who then went out of business, so the "Certificate of Origin" they gave me was not accepted by the MDDOT. In fact, the "investigator" was at the point where he was accusing me of having stolen it!

So I went back to CA and explained the whole deal to them. They gave me a form that I could have filled out by a local Policeman. From there, they gave me a title with no registration...

Now, I need to take that title to MD to register it there...

So my advice would be to find a way to "register" it in a state where doing so is a bit easier (this has become more difficult recently). The "sale" to someone who can register with a Bill of Sale is probably easiest, but I'm NOT a lawyer. Then, when you register the boat in MD, you're merely transfering title...

I'm really looking forward to the enjoyment of registering a boat built in 1984, that does not need to be registered until I install that power plant... should be fun, but it's a documented vessel, so I should, in theory, have the USCG on my side.

I believe that. I also believe that in about 10 months, a fat man in a red suit is going to slide down my chimney and...

[uncas]

DonnZ

You are really gonna have some fun!
Where do I start...The tax paid in NC on my car was a yearly property tax...got that every year...The sales tax was paid in NY and I suppose I should have backtracked 7 years to find the paperwork...
Registering Uncas was a gas here as well.
Several things....She is ducumented...hence the 2yr registration was only $10.00...that in itself is not that bad.
The tax paid was approx. 3.5%...This is compounded monthly by 1% if the boat has been in MD for more than 30 days...The state is gonna get you somehow.
the dinghy does not have the motor yet but DNR ( and the forms indicate this as well ) has stated that any boat..power or otherwise has to be registered...On the form, there is a spot to check off stating nonpowered vessel? so I suspect that this is the case.
As far as finding a sales slip from say 1969 is gonna be interesting...Being as my father was great at keeping sales slips for thirty years ( oh, let's see what drawer do I look in? ;) ) I probably will have little luck finding it.
DNR also won't accept a hand written seriel number...has to be traced before they will accept it...Now that is stupid...
Ah the list goes on....
DMV is even better...Lost my wallet overboard in Nov. went in to get a dup. lic...Explained the problem...First question " Do you have any ID?"
Second question..." Do you have a credit card with your signature on it? "...Third question...do you have anything with your signature on it..?" Grabbed a piece of paper, signed it and gave it to the idiot...She was not pleased...Took three hours...
uncas

[Bob Adams]

I've lived in Maryland all my life, retained only by the Chesapeake Bay.The government in this state is rediculous.There was some hope things would improve with the election of the first Republican governor in 36 years, but the Democratic house and senate tends to negate anything he tries.

[Don Z.]

From the Horse's Mouth (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/boating/registration/index.asp) :

How do I know if my vessel must be registered in Maryland?

Your vessel, whether commercial or recreational, must be registered in Maryland if it:

* is equipped with any kind of primary or auxiliary mechanical propulsion;
* is not currently registered with the U.S. Coast Guard (documented) and;
* is being used principally in Maryland

Thus, as no engine means no auxiliary Mechanical Propulsion... no need to register. Until you hand that motor...

It's going to be an interesting argument with them when I do... After all, the page goes on to define "used principally in Maryland" as " in Maryland the greatest percentage of time in a given calendar year. "In use" is considered to be whenever it is moving, anchored, tied up to any manner of dock, pier or buoy or is being held in readiness for use on a trailer or in any structure.", and replacing stringers, stripping the mast to metal, completely stripping paint and repainting, on the hard, etc. can hardly be called "held in readiness" no matter how you define is.

Of course, no HIN was put on the boat by Jesperssen in 1984... The only thing I have on my side is the USCG documentation is up to date (see the second bullet, above). The excise tax will also be fun... but their own documents don't say anything about registering if its a sailboat so...

Yeah. It will be fun. Enough to make me want to just sell it and be done with it!

They do say if it's been custom or home built, to contact the DNR for instructions, but...

[Kristal]

Originally posted by Leon Steyns:


Wonder why she's listed as "Crystal II"?!

Hi Leon,

Crystal is listed as Crystal II because that is currently her name - it seems that her first owner was rather relaxed about registering her, and that when someone did get around to doing it, the name Crystal had already been snapped up. Therefore she is Crystal II - but fear not. I am in the process of going through the beaurocratic headache that is the Part 1 Registration, changing her name to 'Crystal', and actually having her name carved onto nameboards and mounted on the cockpit coaming.

Crystal II is inaccurate as, for now, she is the only one (there are rumours of a replica being built) - I also find it more than slightly annoying!! She is always referred to as Crystal or Crys by her friends, except perhaps one the radio-telegraph!

Cheers,

/<

[David Tabor (sailordave)]

Now I *MAY* be mistaken but I thought if the vessel was USCG Documented, you need not register w/ the State...
Also, and again, I may be wrong, BUT IIRC a tender to a USCG Documented vessel need not be registered! As long as it is being used in support of said vessel! Obviously if you also use it to go crabbing on those windless days and fooling around the DNR Poh-lice are gonna get you. But check it out....

[Don Z.]

ibid:

MARYLAND REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS
FOR US COAST GUARD DOCUMENTED VESSELS

A federally documented vessel used principally in Maryland for pleasure is required to display State validation (use) decals on each side of the forward half of the vessel. The decals must be displayed in a conspicuous manner so they can be easily seen from a passing vessel.


The decals cost $10 and are valid for the calendar year in which they are issued plus the subsequent calendar year.


An excise tax equal to 5% of the fair market value is due to the Department of Natural Resources within 30 days of the transfer, trade, or sale of a documented vessel that is to be principally used in Maryland waters. A vessel is considered to be in use whenever it is upon the water, whether it is moving, anchored, or tied up to any manner of dock, pier or buoy or is being held in readiness for use on a trailer or in any structure.


A vessel owner applying for documented vessel use decals for the first time must show evidence that the Maryland tax was paid at the time of sale, or pay the appropriate tax, plus penalty and interest if required, before a decal will be issued. If tax was paid in another jurisdiction, you may be eligible for a credit towards the Maryland tax due. In addition, a copy of the official documentation papers issued in the owner's name is required as part of the first time application for documented vessel use decals.


Use decals are available, upon application, at any DNR Licensing & Registration Service Center. Owners with current decals will receive a renewal application approximately 30 days before the expiration date of the current decals. Further proof of tax payment is not required for renewal.

[uncas]

Donn Z...That sums it up...
uncas...

[Donn]

:D tongue.gif

[uncas]

Donn...the only thing you didn't add was the penalty (percentage) added to any boat after 30 days...compounded monthly of course...I think it is 1%...
Cheers...Luckily the big boat is registered, stamped, keel printed, and blood typed...The dinghy...well an ongoing issue! :D :D :D

[Donn]

Yo, Unc! The "Don" you are talking to has only one N.

[Don Z.]

Yes, but there's also the definition of "in use"...

Hey... where is my boat now? Where is it really?...

[uncas]

Sorry Don ( with two "N"s)
Donn Z, why You're bringing her into the state....oh in two months or so....Of course! :D
I hope to have her in Annapolis by perhaps May 1st
Sir!

[Leon Steyns]

Originally posted by Kristal:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Leon Steyns:


Wonder why she's listed as "Crystal II"?!

Hi Leon,

Crystal is listed as Crystal II because that is currently her name - it seems that her first owner was rather relaxed about registering her, and that when someone did get around to doing it, the name Crystal had already been snapped up. Therefore she is Crystal II - but fear not. I am in the process of going through the beaurocratic headache that is the Part 1 Registration, changing her name to 'Crystal', and actually having her name carved onto nameboards and mounted on the cockpit coaming.

Crystal II is inaccurate as, for now, she is the only one (there are rumours of a replica being built) - I also find it more than slightly annoying!! She is always referred to as Crystal or Crys by her friends, except perhaps one the radio-telegraph!

Cheers,

/<</font>[/QUOTE]Hello Kris,

Good luck fighting the bureaucrats, I'm afraid you're going to need it... :rolleyes:

As you know, Uffa Fox did provide some historical evidence, as his 1936 publication "Sailing, Seamanship and Yacht Construction" shows (chapter 19, page 118).

That replica-news is quite shocking! Although honesty demands me saying it could've been me... :D
Do you have any more details on that?

Greets, Leon Steyns.

[ 02-27-2005, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: Leon Steyns ]

[John B]

.....Rushes to own copy...

ah , I seeee. :cool:

[ 02-27-2005, 05:55 PM: Message edited by: John B ]