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[Norske3]

[ 09-03-2005, 07:01 PM: Message edited by: Norske3 ]

[Gary E]

Yeah and the ships from Norfolk were still there today,

Can you imagine a Nuk attack on this country ?

[George Roberts]

I would think something small with the ability of making good water from bad could be put in place in 2 days.

[Gary E]

You would think so... but it looks to me as they dont have squat...Look at what they KNEW...

Months and years ago they knew the levee was designed for Cat 3

Sat...they knew it was Cat 4
Sun ...they knew cat 5

If dufus dubya had clue, he would of sent enough material and men ahead of time... but, he wuz on VACATION !!!!!

[Norske3]

OR another hurricane!..season has a few weeks to go.

[Norske3]

Corp of Engineers said to have "begged" Washington for money to build up the walls....but no was the answer.

[Norske3]

Knowing the danger to the city....why didn't they have at least a dozen amphibs on stand-by near the city....and a warehouse of emergency food rations built nearby on high ground???

Five days today and just now food trucks plowing thru high water....sad.

[ 09-02-2005, 08:01 PM: Message edited by: Norske3 ]

[George Roberts]

According to the people at the Convention Center ...

A couple trucks full of food stopped on a nearby bridge and started throwing food and water off the bridge to the people in the area below. Most of the packages broke open.

When people started up the bridge towards the trucks, the fellows in the trucks pointed rifles at the people.

In most disasters trucks are (or should be) more expendable than people. The military could have left the trucks with food or simply left the food on the bridge.

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A couple terms come to mind - reckless indifference, manslaughter.

Certainly not "To Protect & To Serve." Certainly not "Public Service."

[Mrleft8]

If this had happened in a predominately "white" city, would it have been the same?

[JimConlin]

Our government is broken.

If we want to be the country that I think we want to be, we must make a change.

[htom]

http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=19867

BALTIMORE (NNS) -- The U.S. Navy's Military Sealift Command hospital ship USNS Comfort (T-AH 20), based here, was activated Aug. 31 in support of Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) efforts to provide medical support in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

Comfort, one of the largest trauma facilities in the United States, is being readied quickly for her mission and is expected to get underway for the Gulf Coast by September 3.

Comfort is normally kept at Baltimore's Canton Pier in reduced operating status with a cadre crew of 18 civil service mariners who maintain the vessel, as well as a hospital support staff of 58 military personnel who care for the ship?s hospital facilities, equipment and supplies. When called to action, the ship is designed to be activated, crewed, mission-ready and able to sail in five days.

[31 1 2 3 seems like they expect to leave a day early]

Additional crew members and medical personnel are now arriving on board, specific medical supplies are being procured and ship systems are being readied to expedite the ship's departure.

It will take the 894-foot hospital ship about seven days to reach the U.S. Gulf Coast region, with a stop in Mayport, Fla. Comfort will stop in Mayport en route to the Gulf Coast to load additional medical supplies, as well as additional hospital personnel, mostly from the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Md.

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[comment] bolding added.

[Paul Girouard]

Originally posted by Gary E:
Yeah and the ships from Norfolk were still there today,

Can you imagine a Nuk attack on this country ?It wasn't so they didn't .

[Paul Girouard]

If dufus dubya had clue, he would of sent enough material and men ahead of time... but, he wuz on VACATION !!!!![/QB][/QUOTE]
State issue , not federal , not really presidental issue at that time . Total state issue . Sorry try again.

If we are all going to be dependant on the federal govt. for where we poop , where we get our drinking water , where we get everything we need , well if you don't get it you never will .

You'll need govt to tell you when and you better be ready to provide for "In how high ."

It's getting better the Big Grays are now on station.

This is a complicated issue in that a big city is involvled . The lesser size cities don't have the same issuies. Think about it , if and there are smaller cities / towns , lesser issuies , they handle it better. Sorry city folks are dependendent, rurual folks are independant.

The big gray boats will bring mucho grandi water, food , meds .

The problem here is one( BIG GRAY BOAT) was not" Yankee station" off Fl. coast. Not the normal requirement. Linclon was right by Banda Achie (sp) and got on station in two days, by luck or by God how ever you want.

You all want that ? A Carrier on station on both coast, just in case? Could be a big Sunimie( SP) out this way , we'll be dead or alive if we get one , on this Island but we will move on . We're small and isolated and know we are our best help.

[Ric_Bergstrom]

Interesting read:

http://tiadaily.com/php-bin/news/showArticle.php?id=1026

[Bob Smalser]

Armchair quarterbacks are always folks who have missed their calling.

Like Geraldo on TV demanding busses in the next few hours for 30,000 people.

Letsee....30 thousand people...that's 70 people per bus is just how many busses? And from where? And by what unflooded routes. And do they have to also shoot their way in?

The organization of these ops begins at the bottom far in advance of the need....the mayor has to push the right buttons followed by the Governor. Seems they diddled around thinking they didn't have a big problem until the day the levies broke.

[Donn]

Originally posted by Norske3:
UNBELIEVABLE...the ship...COMFORT ....is sitting in Baltimore and will take TWO WEEKS TO GET TO New Orleans......... :confused: !.USS Bataan, began ops in NO on Tuesday night. In addition to helicopter rescue missions, delivery of heavy sandbags for the levees, and water-making, the ship has 6 full operating rooms, and hospital capacity for 600 patients. It may not be the Comfort (12 OR's and 1,000 beds), but it ain't nothing.

[George Roberts]

Bob Smalser ---

Previous hurricanes left enough infrastructure that not much help was needed. Still the handling of those situation was poorly done.

100,000 people in New Orleans require about 1,000,000 pounds of food/day. That is 25-40 semis of food/day. Less than $20 million/day.

I don't know anyone in the business of selling or moving food in that quantity but ...

My wife knows people with 7-8 figures of net worth. They know people with 8-9 figures of net worth. They know ...

I expect that with a dozen phone calls even I (given the title of head of FEMA and abig checkbook) could get in touch with people who could/would supply and move that much food each day.

By the time the first food trucks got near the damage roads would be clear and support people would be in place.

[ 09-03-2005, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: George Roberts ]

[George Roberts]

Donn ---

"USS Bataan, began ops in NO on Tuesday night."

That aid was provided in a reasonable time frame. I expect other aid was also provided in a reasonable time frame.

[Larry P.]

TAKE IT TO THE BILGE

[JimD]

Originally posted by Larry P.:
TAKE IT TO THE BILGEYes, please take this below. It does not belong here.