Movie...Flight of the Phoenix

[Norske3]

Anyone seen the new version?

[Meerkat]

Not I - I hear it bombed bad at the theatres.

[Norske3]

to bad... :(

[Meerkat]

Doubtless it will be reborn as a video ;)

[Bill R]

Just watched it last nite. Huge waste of 2 hours I could have spent working on my boat.

Bill R.

[Ken Hutchins]

Huge waste of 2 hours I could have spent working on my boat Well yah!, that is true of most everything else on TV, turn it off and work on the boat. smile.gif

[shadow99]

I agree with Bill, that movie was as exciting as "watching cement set." If I didn't have 3 fractured ribs, I would have been working on my boat.

Rick

[JimD]

We actually spent 2 bucks to rent it. It flew into trouble in the opening scene. Then it crashed. Then it never took off again. Can't think of any more dumb jokes to describe it.

[Venchka]

Hollywood is bereft of original ideas. The book was great. The original movie was great. Restore and re-release the original for crying out loud.

The remakes that actually make sense are the very rare occasions when the remake is way better than the original. John Carpenter's "The Thing" comes to mind. An awful "B" movie cheapie turned into a really great scary movie. Any others come to mind? A remake that improves on the original?

Sooner or later somebody will get around to remaking the classics. That will be comical. Or sad.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[ 04-12-2005, 11:53 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]

[JimD]

John Cleese once suggested that remakes only be made of really bad movies so that the newer version couldn't help but be better. The remake of Cape Fear wasn't too bad.

[martin schulz]

I like the old version. Especially the part where the german engineer (Hardy Krüger) casually admits that he has never designed a real plane, but just scale models.

[Wild Wassa]

MS, I liked it when he went off in a huff when they called him a toy maker ... "I design model aircraft" ... he was prepared to die over an insult. In the credits, it said the stunt pilot was killed during the making of the flick.

The Sergeant was the only one who had his shipt together ... and he was the weak coward ... in cartoons the evil one always has an English accent.

And James Stewart was typically tough ... and who sternly stood his ground and backed down continually.

I think it was the Frenchman who suicided by walking off ... he just surrendered to the difficulties.

A top flick ... the sterio casting, was truly brilliant and very tacky. All the movie really lacked was a kangaroo, they already had the desert.

Warren.

[ 04-13-2005, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[martin schulz]

As we all know there is hardly a Hollywood movie without a political sideline.

In the old 60s movie you had a German, a Brit and even a wise French who got their act together under the lead of the american Captain.

In the new movie you have a Latino, 2 Blacks and an Arab (of course without strong fundamentalistic belief) for the french wise man who "have" to get their act together.

Coincidence?

[Wild Wassa]

Originally posted by martin schulz:
"In the old 60s movie you had a German, a Brit and even a wise French who got their act together under the lead of the american Captain."

The movie with James Stewart? ... it was the American's ego that nearly caused the greater catastrophe by not respecting others, he had no faith in anyone ... he didn't save the day. His British co-pilot had to massage his ego non stop, for him just to participate and respect the abilities of others.

It was Ernest Borgnine who played the working class man who suicided because of madness ... it was not the Frenchman, as I now recall. The trouble is, the French have such a long history.

It was the honourable and courageous but misguided who were killed by the Arab raiders.

"Coincidence?" you say ... or a bit too much like coincidence? ... or just the stereotypical reinforcement of religious hatred.

Warren.

[ 04-13-2005, 12:48 PM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

[paladin]

The pilot killed during the original filming was paul Mantz of tallmantz Aviation. he actually constructed the escape aircraft and flew it...but at the end crashed and was killed. they originally were going to change the scene but decided to keep it as a tribute to Mantz. tallmantz supplied numerous aircraft to the film industrie and also supplied pilots....frank Tallman died a few years later in another crash..

[Norske3]

Mr Paladin....any idea how many hours you have rack up over the years?...you are a survivor.

[paladin]

i got a good idea...especially during the years 1964-1975.....my last job with that group was ferrying around the ICCS team around south vietnam......tooo many hours...
In alaska i wuz told the average life expectancy of a bush pilot was 2 years.....on the second anniversary of my company i stopped flying, put it up fer sale...and went sailing again....but to answer your basic question....i had about 600 hours of time prior to vietnam, from 1965 to 1975 i racked up about 11,800 hours, alaska added about 1500 hours....and then less than 400 hours since then...I sorta stopped flying after alaska...just a little in Iceland and elsewhere because my primary doooties wuzzint flying...it's like being a very well paid taxi driver.....hours and hours of boredom punctuated by a few moments of start terror...dunno like the semblance of fire anywhere, terrified at the smell of smoke...and too old to get me butt shot at.
When yuou're young it's an adventure, as you get older it's just plain nutz.

[ 04-15-2005, 09:29 AM: Message edited by: paladin ]

[martin schulz]

Originally posted by paladin:
hours and hours of boredom punctuated by a few moments of start terror...Sounds like sailing ;)

[Norske3]

Boredom of flying...yes I found it to be so going up with my old friend...he had the license..I rode shot gun...once you're up in the clouds not much to see but passing clouds and Mother Earth way down under......now I would enjoy flying about 50 feet off the water in a seaplane exploring the coast of Maine so you could see people waving you bye...knowing when the engine quit...and it will sooner or later :D ..that you can always land on the water....yes that's boating!

[paladin]

....it izz extremely difficult to land a seaplane/floatplane from very low altitude in an engine out situation.....somewhat akin to a not so well controlled crash...
unlike landing an aircraft on land where a "stall" type landing may be made, wet airplanes land with an engine on condition......been there...done that...got the "T" shirt AND the coffee mug....one engine out in a Cessna 185 floatplane.....one engine out in a Grumman Widgeon...two engine outs in a Republic seabee and two splash landings in Cessna 0-2's/337skymasters........

[ 04-15-2005, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: paladin ]

[Norske3]

AYUP..Mr Paladin...like I thought...YOU ARE A SURVIVOR smile.gif ..ok, landing on water without power makes for a potential hop then a nice flip..or maybe just a quick flip...still I rather water than landing where there is only mountains or trees to spear up you crotch. :D

FIVE LANDINGS!? without power....one with TWO engines out!..what happened there?..forgot to fuel up?...water in the gas..(that happened to a Massachusetts State Police Helicop...killed them all as I recall) :confused: ...poor maintenance?

[ 04-15-2005, 04:23 PM: Message edited by: Norske3 ]

[paladin]

no elektra city to transfer fuel.....ferry tanks were installed with electrical transfer only...no wobble pump.....and the absolutely worse thing on the 0-2 wuz the alternators.....usually the front one went first...then the heavy loads would take out the rear unit....and when tanks ran dry...lotas fuel in the ferry tanks but not where you needs it.....never could convince the givment or ferry service it wuz a bad idea.....
and double trouble...placard in the cockpit sez dunno taxi with the front fan running..only problem..the nose gear lock down latch izz run off the front hydraulic pump..if the front fan izzint turning and you hits a bump in the runway, the nose bounces, ...then the nose gear collapses..I think they actually fixed those problems after losing a half dozen or so in the ferry betwixt aridzona and the phulabean islands...and contrary to what cessna sez..the 337/0-2 is not really a twin engine aircraft...more like 1 and a half...when one engine goes if you have more than 2 peeeples in the airplane it just means you come down a little slower.....

[ 04-15-2005, 05:05 PM: Message edited by: paladin ]

[Venchka]

Seaplane crash landing. Reminds me of one of my favorite, obscure, scenery movies. Kim Basinger in British Columbia. How's that for scenery, eh?

Mother Lode

"The accident with the sea plane cartwheeling on landing, was not in the script - this is a real unplanned accident. The script simply asked for "engine problems at take off". The pilot was unhurt."

Good little movie.

Wayne
In the Swamp.

[ion barnes]

'new' Phoenix was a dud. I agree, the original was good if a little campy.

Venchka; scenery? British Colunbia or Bassinger? and what was the name of the movie?

[Tom Lathrop]

Only saw the commercials for the new one. Wouldn't waste a nickle on seeing the whole thing. Don't like movies that rely completely on nonstop action and explosions and special effects, especially computer stuff.

First one was worth watching. Stewart did his usual overacting bit that he does in every movie he made.

[Venchka]

BOTH!

The movie's title is "Mother Lode"

Chuck Heston is in it playing brothers.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[Norske3]

Hello Again Mr Paladin...exciting times you've had...I'm sure you have some interesting tales to tell ...so when ever your in the mood to share some with those of us who travel the world in an armchair and a good book...PLEASE DO! smile.gif