Choice time!!

[Wild Dingo]

Yes the ultimatum has finally been set "CHOOSE or buy" by the wonderous possumpoop perveyor of all me weird and stupendous tangents... so I of course come to me mates here who are legendary the world over at assistin and advisin :cool:

Sooo the final choices are...

1) B.B. Crowninsheilds "Dark Harbor 12 1/2" {ala Art Read}
2) Al Masons "Sørkust"
3) Iain Oughtreds Grey Seal
4) FolkBoat

and the odd men out... uncertain
5) Phil Bolgers St Valery {Did I ever say how much I love luggers? :cool: }
6) Mike Wallers Trailer Catamarran... different league altogether! :rolleyes:

anyone else notice how far my visions have shrunk??? 50ft schooner down to a more realistic 20 - 25ft... sigh :rolleyes: ...ahhh well maybe with the experience of building this one I will feel more confident {read terrified :eek: } to attack such as the Peterson Coaster Schooner that me emotional heart desires :rolleyes:

So what be she fellas???

[ 06-06-2003, 10:31 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[whb]

Shane not to muddy the waters but with that huge crew of yours a little more beam might help accomodate larger numbers. What about a cat boat?

Howard

[Wild Dingo]

Howard mate I think Ive all but done me dash for gettin anymore plans in... so for harmony these are them and from them the choice must be made... I may be able to sneek in one more set but thats it before she bursts her boiler and starts spittin chips! :eek:

Im really not to fussed by the size re hoons as they will get the f****s cat when this one is done and come for day sails for special occasions most times Id expect it to be me an her maybe a little one or two but no more...

A couple or more years for the build and we should could maybe down to 4 or 5 hoons at home and a couple of them wont be too interested in muckin about with the old phart in his boat but rather zapppin around the estuary in the canoes or the cat... so this one is mine Im guessing and hers for those quiet sails in the evening or weekends when we can slip away for a few hours.

ooh meant to add that St Valery was added for just that reason more roominess and well shes a lugger! :D

[ 06-06-2003, 10:49 AM: Message edited by: Wild Dingo ]

[Nicholas Carey]

Originally posted by Wild Dingo:
...Did I ever say how much I love luggers?...So what be she fellas???I hate to throw something new in the mix :D , but have you looked at Nigel Irens' (http://www.nigelirens.demon.co.uk/) beautimous lug-rigged yawl Romilly or her big sister Roxanne? — Both with *large* cockpits for their size?

http://www.nigelirens.demon.co.uk/ROX2.gif
ROXANNE

http://www.nigelirens.demon.co.uk/ROM.gif
ROMILLY

Plans for Romilly are available from Nigel Irens' sometime partner—and sometime poster here as well—Ed Burnett (http://www.byd.btinternet.co.uk/). Not sure about Roxanne

Click here (http://www.byd.btinternet.co.uk/roms13.jpg) (186k) or here (http://www.byd.btinternet.co.uk/ROM-3.jpg) (186k) for bigger pictures of Romilly. Here's (http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/images/romilly_-_w25.jpg) a better picture of Roxanne.

[ 06-06-2003, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: Nicholas Carey ]

[Mrleft8]

Dark harbor. The classiest boat you mention.

[ishmael]

Only you can decide, obviously. Balance and weight. Make a list, or several. Be perfectly honest. What are you going to use the boat for? How many people are likely to be aboard? How important is traditional construction vs. ply or other methods? I'm not familiar with #'s five and six, but I assume they are ply.

I think THE most important thing with this decision is a jaundiced eye evaluation of the boat's use. All the romance, and curve of line, and siren call of stalwart workmanship or passages to Tahiti, won't carry a project like you propose through without a sincere and realistic goal at the end. WHAT do you desire in a boat? Most?

Unless you are a more stable character than you let on, Shane. ;)

[ 06-06-2003, 11:00 PM: Message edited by: ishmael ]

[imported_Steven Bauer]

You've got a nice selection of boats there: you really need to decide on a building method. You've got glued lapstrake, traditional lapstrake, carvel, plywood, which one do you want to do?
And how is the boatshop/shed/garagythingie coming along?

Steven

[TonyH]

Sorkust.

[Wild Dingo]

Originally posted by TonyH:
Sorkust.aahh shite and here I thought you were gonna say Trixen Tony! ;) ... buggar and I was gonna offer you a half share too damn it! :rolleyes:

[Bob P]

I learned to sail on a similar Crowninshield design back in the '40's so I gotta go with the Dark Harbor. Loved it so much I recently made a model to sit on my mantle (If I had one).

Old Bob

[seafox61]

hey Shane
what s the depth of the water you will sail in ?
how will your boat do there?
best of luck deciding, just don't decide to build them all, thats my idea
jeffery

[htom]

I'm inclined to think you'd like the bragging about a Sorkust a little bit more than about a Dark Harbor (but not much.) Which would be a better boat for you in your waters ... I'm not competent to evaluate.

I do think you should consider something like a Shellback or Pooduck Skiff as a tender for whichever you decide, and to build that first; easier, cheaper, and faster to get through that learning curve on a smaller craft. Then you'd have something to take her sailing in when the larger project slowed. CanoeThingee, tender, classic sailing boat.

[Ged]

Unfortunately, I've no practical, experience-based advice to give you, but I do know what I like aesthetically. I'm a big fan of double-enders.

Sorkust sounds intriguing to me. I wonder if Ms. Mason (or anyone else) could post a line drawing or photo of this type of vessel? I'd very much like to see it.

[Hugh Paterson]

Mmmmmmmmm, the Folkboat would be my first choice, but which one clinker or carvel? I suspect the grey seal will be easier to build :rolleyes:
Shug.

[paladin]

Shane,
Ya gotta go with the St. Valery.......

[Wild Dingo]

Originally posted by paladin:
Shane,
Ya gotta go with the St. Valery.......yeah Chuck Im really starting to lean that direction too...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid65/p387bd73d6cae74a89718f77f5e27996f/fbf7c1dd.jpg

She is truely stunning... and really Im coming to that sort of point where Im gonna have to be utterly ruthless with the decision... and well Ive sorta hankered for a lugger for some years now... will see... Ive got to find out just how much EXACTLY those plans are in AUSSIE $$$ but Phil doesnt seem to want to respond to emails and Im not exactly sure of how to get ahold of him if I remember rightly one has to go through Dynamite Payson?... anyway will do some more thinking maybe drop Phil a note in the mail and see if I get a response that way?...

[John Bell]

Bolger won't do emails, Shane. My expereince ist that he will respond quickly to faxes, though. He also responds to regular mail as well.

I'll tell you what, you send me the text of what you want to say, and I'll fax it to him and get back to you.

JB

[Dave Hadfield]

It's shallow water that you're sailing in, right Shane? Most of the time? You'll be wandering in amongst the coral and sand of the shoreline north of Perth?

I'd go for St. Valery. She has style, of her own kind, and that lug-schooner rig would be great fun to use. Not to mention great sweeps of deck for all your tribe and their friends, and high bulwarks to keep them aboard. Heck, they could sleep up there.

But she's plywood, right? I think we'd all rather see you turn those fresh-milled logs into a hull. Hmph. But I do think St. Valery would the most useful to you. (Maybe you could cross-plank the bottom of her -- give a really solid foundation, and add weight where you want it.)

I wrote a letter to Phil Bolger once, and got a prompt reply.

[Wild Dingo]

Thanks John check your email mate :cool:

[Noah]

These are all different boats that you are looking at. The Folkboat is wonderful if you want a boat good for heavy air and simple accomodations for two. They are also very nice to look at. Lots of good looking curves, and much more interesting than a plywood boat. That said there is lots more to do in terms of building.

The Dark Harbor looks like a great day sailing boat that would be very pretty, and wonderful for an after work sail in the evening or a nice sunday sail.

As others have said build a boat that suits your needs. The one thing that I have found is you can never find people to go sailing when you need them. This means get a boat that you can single hand. I sail my folkboat alone all the time.

Good luck,

Noah

[ 06-09-2003, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: Noah ]

[MarkC]

AAhhhhh! Here comes the venom!

The St.Valery has a rig thats fun to use??

If I remember correctly, even the Woodenboat review was critical of the performance of the lug schooner rig. Is it going to be able to move 'forwards' with a crew of five through any sort of chop or Perth waves?

For example, I saw a bloke in Sydney Harbour very proud of his new cornish lugger, we sailed our Folkboat around him a couple of times and had a look...

Yeah, Yeah, horses for courses, but...

You have a pile of wood to make - a carvel boat? - or cut thinner and some sort of tripple plank system? In Perth is the greatest congregation of carvel, sloop rigged h28's in Australia with plenty of people to ask questions - but -

CLEARLY the best option when no decision can be made is to choof off to an Australian designer (eg. David Payne,or another - while they are local and contactable) and tell them what material you have, how much money you've got, what skills you have, how much detail and explanation you want in the plans, how long you want to be building, what crew you have, where you want to sail, and tell him your three favorite boats and eventually get your own boat designed!!!

It will cost, but then again you have spent how much on how many plans?

Impress the hell out of the Wooden Boat Gang!

My 2c

Cheers
Mark

[JimD]

Shane, mate, twer it I I'd go for which ever design has a small, self draining cockpit and a small companionway with very sturdy doors or drop boards. In a worst case senario these boats will be least likely to sink if they go over. The best is what you hope for, the worst is what you plan for, as they say.

[Dave Hadfield]

Oh heck, that wasn't venom. That was good advice.

[John Bell]

Shane, I heard back from PCB&F but it was to my cell phone. Unfortunately, it doesn't recieve faxes. ;) I'd guess there will a fax waiting for me at the office tomorrow.

[MarkC]

On second reading - I didn't want to sound like I was attacking you Mr Hadfield! My venom was aimed the Lug choice and the other, in my opinion, not so-achievable choices.

Support your local designer! (no offence to Mr Bolger intended either)

[Wild Dingo]

Tis all good advice fellas... thanks :cool:

[Steve Paskey]

Just dragging this back to the top. What's the word, Shane?

[Wild Dingo]

Well strangely enough after all those other plans lobbed up and even Grey Seal now sits glaring at me... while the missus is spittin chips and the hoons are simply shaking their heads and walking away in quietly expressed sympathy of my final drop into what they think is utter madness... and why you ask?

Im now starting a new adventure!! :cool: see the "Looking for..." thread to follow my madness! :rolleyes: