Correction..Sock for Shute

[uncas]

Any suggestions as to what type of sock I should get for an asymetrical shute...for sailing singlehanded?
Now that's better!
uncas

[Ian McColgin]

I've only personally used one type and it was for the fairly small 'chute on a Wianno. Class rules disallow it for racing but the sock is quite nice for single- or short-handed sailing.

Another nice trick for single-handing (adaptable for short-handed) is to have a continuous line sheet/guy. This does mean having two sets of turning blocks - the usual well aft and another set forward enough that you can be pulling back from the helm. You'll likely be playing the sheet all the while anyhow so any jam cleats need to be convenient to that pull aft but not foul if you're pulling athwartships as you would if hike to weather with the sheet in hand.

The single line just needs to be a nudge longer than will go all the way around if clipped together and down to where ever the 'chute is stowed when not up.

On that Wianno, we'd just pull the socked 'chute in under the boom same way you'd do unsocked and sove it down the companion leaving the sheet and guy and hallyard near the companion, tamed by a bit of bungee on a clip.

What size boat is she?

[uncas]

Ian..thanks for the tip...
She is a Hinckley Sou'wester 34.
uncas

[Hwyl]

Ettiene, is your man. Don't know how the prices compare. Ettiene basically civilises the products that the (once viewed as) crazy RTW sailors use.

http://www.atninc.com/sleeve.html

[ 02-13-2005, 11:10 AM: Message edited by: Hwyl ]

[Ian McColgin]

Nice boat.

Any unit that gets favorable notice from both Practical Sailor and the Deshaw's is likely to be very good.

[uncas]

Hwyl...Watched the video....Looks as simple as one can get for sigle handed sailing...
You are the second to suggest this one.
thanks
jamj

[uncas]

Ian...Thanks...I posted a picture of Uncas on NOOOOOOO!..if you want a look see.
The only problem I see in the future is the club foot...but I think that is manageable. :D

[ 02-13-2005, 11:13 AM: Message edited by: uncas ]

[Ian McColgin]

Very nice indeed, and I'm glad that you caused me to wander further down that thread, to which I'd not previously paid much attention.

For single handing the club will be very nice. Depending on your waters, you may or may not find use for a genny. Should you ever replace the non-overlapping jib, maybe consider the 'camber spar' jib as it's self-vanging and a bit safer. If you do, I think you'll want a nudge less angle in the luff than the standard camber spar arrangement as you'll want the head stay a bit tight when the sail's not up.

Still, a great rig. Nothing quite as pleasant as short tacking without having to pull any strings.

By the way, you might consider adding a couple of mostly lazy sheets, one to each side, so's you can keep the jib backwinded out to weather if you're doing a spin turn, backing under sail, heaving-to or breaking out the anchor under sail. When normal sailing and controling the jib with the regular sheet, they can be left a bit slack when not in use and won't foul. They don't need tackle as you'd mostly set it tight before a tack anyway. Off the wind you'd have to ease them some more or ship them entirely, but once you start using them for tight manoevers you'll wonder how you got by without them.

[uncas]

Ian... all great ideas...Will print them and see what I can do...
jamj

[uncas]

After a great deal of thought, reading what you all have recommended, talking with North Sails, did not go with an etn...rather a lighter model...Same concept but more appropriate for a smaller asymetrical sail and for a smaller boat. North Sails felt that the ETN was great for over 40' with a big shute.
Thanks though...for all of your suggestions.
jamj

[rbgarr]

What model chute scoop, made by who?

Thanks-

[uncas]

rbjarr!
I will get back to you with details...Want to make sure that my figures are right...
Uncas

[uncas]

rbgarr!
Well, found out a bit of info....Verbally...
It is called a s(c)hutescoop....A lot like an etn but lighter different material. Same concept however....
I guess the decision I made was based upon the size of Uncas and the size of my asymterical chute.that I have ordered.. She is only 34' and the luff is probably close to 33'...Not very big.
I understand that if I had a 40' + footer with a big chute, I would have gone with the etn....As suggested by North Sails.
Again, a lot of this was through a verbal communication with North Sails.....I have to believe that they have an idea as to what is best for me and on top of that Scott ( at NS ) knows my boat...

[rbgarr]

I'm guessing then that the folks at North are recommending this product of theirs-

'North Snuffer Plus™:
Snuffer Plus is an ingenious system that makes setting and dousing your Gennaker easier and safer (especially for shorthanded crews) by gathering and encasing it in a Nylon tube. SnufferPlus features a special tapered tube that ensures smooth operation and molded funnels (poly, fiberglass or carbon, depending on boat size) designed to minimize twists and wraps while gathering the sail. With SnufferPlus, you deal with an easy-to-handle tube rather than arms full of sailcloth blowing over the rail. A convenient control line quickly pulls the SnufferPlus up or down.'

[uncas]

Could very well be...When I talked with Scott at North Sails, he indicated that this was the trade name..... It may or may not be at the recommendation of North Sails but the one he has recommended to those with boats under 40'
All I really want is some sock that can deal with the chute I have...singlehanded...If the one proposed is better than the etm...Fine.
Unlike many others, cost does not really make a difference except that if I can save 150.00 fine.
Based upon what I understand it does everything but is of lighter weight....So, you could be right!
Will let you know what I think once I have it rigged and have used it a couple of times....
Hopefully i will have Uncas' mast restepped, everything ready by April 1st...By May, I will have some personal comments as to how it works and will let you know.
Spring is coming...to heck with the woodchuck.
Best wishes rbgarr.
See ya out there...after April 1st... :D

[ 02-18-2005, 06:03 PM: Message edited by: uncas ]

[rbgarr]

As far as length of the scoop is concerned, check to make sure it is about a foot shorter than the length of the sail from head to clew (not tack) when it's stretched out. No need to pay for more length than you need!

See http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:8tAfhwSUb2MJ:na.northsails.com/Cruising_Sails/Gen_Launch.pdf+gennaker+launching+bag +instructions&hl=en

[uncas]

rbgarr
Got it..the info..suggestion...thanks.. Will check...
Uncas

[ 02-18-2005, 07:45 PM: Message edited by: uncas ]