Schooner

[Ray Weber]

Does anyone have any knowledge of John G. Alden's Schooner #172 "Tyche",Ted Brewer"s "Ingenue", or William Atkin's "Little Maid of Kent". Any info on building, sailing characteristics, Pics or drawings. The only picture I can find of Ingenue is from Brewer"s web site, and it is not very detailed.

[Alan D. Hyde]

Have you gone to www.google.com (http://www.google.com) and used the names of those vessels to do an "image" search?

Alan

[Mike Dawson]

For Atkin's Maid of Kent

http://www.bcyachts.com/spage_283.html
then click on "Yachtworld" link for photos

http://www.atkinboatplans.com/
click on "Sailboats & Auxiliaries"

also take a look at his smaller schooners Florence Oakland, America Jr.,Coot and Capt. Young and the larger Island Princess.

[Dave K]

The original "Ingenue" is fast, not very pretty, but successful as a racer. Ted later drew her with slightly longer stern and bow and she is right pretty in that form. Alden's "Tyche" is very pretty and, I think, was a pretty fair sailing vessel. The original was wrecked several years ago (article in "WoodenBoat" but I don't know the number). Atkin's "Little Maid of Kent" seems to have been pretty good - at least she has been popular. There used to be a steel one around Lunenburg, NS; she got crushed somehow and had a side bent in quite badly but was fixed, I think. "Island Princess" is a larger version but, I feel, quite under-canvassed. I sailed on one back in the late 1960's or so and she would hardly tack in light going - we had to start the motor to get her around once. "Florence Oakland" is very pretty, should be affordable, and may be the best little schooner I have seen. Don't know if this helps - it is all pretty subjective. Enjoy the search...

[Don Z.]

Originally posted by Dave K:
TAlden's "Tyche" is very pretty and, I think, was a pretty fair sailing vessel. The original was wrecked several years ago (article in "WoodenBoat" but I don't know the number). .I think you may be confusing Tyche with Tyhee . I believe Tyche was a little bit smaller, but of course my book on Alden is still in one of these boxes here somewhere. You'll have to give me a little bit of time to get the library set up. In any case, I'm sure the Alden design office can hook you up with plans for either...

[Don Z.]

OK, I was able to drag out "John G. Alden and his Yacht Designs", Robert W. Carrick and Richard Henderson, International Marine Publishers, 1995.

Tyche Design number 172, is pictured on page 350. She's a cute little schooner, 27'1" LOA, 22'1" LWL, 9' beam and 3'1&a quarter draught. It does not speak of sailing characteristics, perhaps the Alden design office can help there. I was thinking about her, but She's a little stubbier than I'd like, and a bit heavy for the SA. A sister, Mary, was built in 1929.

Tyhee , wrecked off Cape Ann and documented in WoodenBoat #83, pg 74, is design number 335. She's on page 363. She was 36'4" LOA, 27'4" LWL, 9'9" beam and 5'9" deep. I really like her, and she's 18,600 pounds with 697 square feet of sail area.

The text describes her as "spirited, as they say of horses, but well behaved... she tacks in 100 degrees in fair weather, making six knots up wind if the sea is fairly flat, and nothing at all in four foot waves. Off wind she cranks up to 8 knots pretty readily. A good sea boat, she once rode out a hurricane force storm off Cape Hatteras..."

I'd still like to build a small schooner some day, but the wife is not going to allow that until a few other projects are done (including the 8 metre). I really like some of the Crowninshield designs, but I think a racing schooner wouldn't be the answer unless there were a few others around to race. I'd need a cruiser, and right now I'm interested in Tyhee , Bluenose Junior , and an Alden design I can't find too much about No. 125. She's 32'3"LOA, 24'6" LWL, 9' beam and 5' deep. That's bang on the size I want, but I can't find plans... I'll be contacting the office about them, but not until the other projects are almost done first...

[ 03-11-2004, 06:39 PM: Message edited by: Don Z. ]