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rbgarr
09-08-2006, 04:57 PM
Hywl's chiding me about my vocabulary (I wrote 'indexes' instead of 'indices'), and my mother's recent departure for Ireland prompted me to think about Great Britain and my tenuous connection to it.

My Ma was given up for adoption after WWI and brought to NYC in the early 20s. As a youngster, she had the opportunity to learn about her birth parents and the circumstances of her leaving that family. She chose not to learn those details but it sparked her interest in her relations. She learned that the family who adopted her in NYC was related to the Dame of Sark, one of the Guernsey Isles (?). Apparently the Dame visited her family for the Christmas holidays in the US one year, but that must have been after WW II (Sark was occupied by the Nazis), and my mother would have been married at the time.

My brother travelled to England on business from time to time before he retired. He was enjoying a pint in a pub one evening when the fellow next to him pulled out his wallet to pay up before leaving. My brother glanced over at the credit card the guy set on the bar and was shocked to see that it had his (my brother's) name on it and was issued by the same cc company. It turned out that they (we) are related and my brother has kept loosely in touch with him since. This fellow's mother sailed across the Atlantic a number of years ago at age 89. He, Ian Tew, wrote a book about it called "Sailing in Grandfather's Wake".

A young nurse who cared for my grandmother for many, many years was a wonderful Irish woman (I know, Ireland isn't part of GB anymore, but anyway....) Her name was Rosie and she was always very nice to us grandchildren. On my grandmother's death she returned to Ireland to marry a famous footballer. They started a school for challenged children on Valentia Island. Anyone ever been or sailed near there? My ma and sister have gone to visit her and I hope they'll bring back pictures. I hear it's in a beautiful southwest coastal area of Ireland near Kerry. The website makes it look interesting especially the hand drawn map with references to St. Brendan and the Transatlantic Cable. http://indigo.ie/~cguiney/valentia.html

Especially charming is the comment by the 'webmaster': "If I have left out anyone's business, I do apologize and would appreciate it if you would give me your name and phone number and I'll include you here. You know where I live."

Donn
09-08-2006, 05:11 PM
Neat.

What does Old Blighty mean?

It’s a relic of British India. It comes from a Hindi word bilayati, foreign, which is related to the Arabic wilayat, a kingdom or province. Sir Henry Yule and Arthur C Burnell explained in their Anglo-Indian dictionary, Hobson-Jobson, published in 1886, that the word was used in the names of several kinds of exotic foreign things, especially those that the British had brought into the country, such as the tomato (bilayati baingan) and especially to soda-water, which was commonly called bilayati pani, or foreign water.

Blighty was the inevitable British soldier’s corruption of it. But it only came into common use as a term for Britain at the beginning of the First World War in France about 1915. It turns up in popular songs There’s a ship that’s bound for Blighty, We wish we were in Blighty, and Take me back to dear old Blighty, put me on the train for London town, and in Wilfred Owen’s poems, as well as many other places.

In modern Australian usage, Old has been added, as in Old Country and Old Dart, as a sentimental reference to Britain.

rbgarr
09-08-2006, 05:19 PM
Hobson-Jobson! What a great name for a dictionary. I would have used one more if I'd thought of it as a 'Hobson-Jobson'. Makes it sound like a railroad journey through the countryside.

Hwyl
09-08-2006, 05:22 PM
Have you been to Sark Dave, I've never been to the channel islands. Sark has no cars and is pretty feudal.

There was a great piece on the late lamented "Home Truths" about channel island women who had babies to the occupying Germans, and their fate after the war

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/hometruths/20060626_ourmother.shtml

Donn
09-08-2006, 05:23 PM
Sure beats Funk & Wagnall. Hobson-Jobson is available online here. (http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/hobsonjobson/)

rbgarr
09-08-2006, 05:40 PM
Have you been to Sark Dave, I've never been to the channel islands. Sark has no cars and is pretty feudal.

There was a great piece on the late lamented "Home Truths" about channel island women who had babies to the occupying Germans, and their fate after the war

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/hometruths/20060626_ourmother.shtml

Feudal, yes. The Dame was the only person allowed to have a bitch dog. Either that, or she had approval authority over who got one. Maybe apocryphal, but if true I guess any males were imported and lived out pretty hum-drum lives.

War is horrible and for those swept up in it it must make life so unpredictable. I wouldn't wonder if those young women on Sark and elsewhere didn't think that life was permanently altered and that The Thousand Year Reich would in fact last that long.

And no, I haven't been to Sark, but my sister has. I missed the chance to spend two weeks there about ten years ago. Long story, and I wish I'd been able to do it when my business partner returned from handling the work there. It sounded lovely. I also wanted to visit Guernsey, where the original NGH schooner WESTWARD hailed from (and was either scuttled or planned to be scuttled from- anyone know?)

Quick anecdote: "A story is told about the King wondering why the J-Boat class was labeled with that particular letter. He is reported to have observed that it should have been the A-Boat class: "A" for adultery, because apart from T.B.F. Davis, owner of the schooner WESTWARD, and himself, none of the other owners still had his original wife."

John B
09-08-2006, 07:42 PM
(reaches for a favourite book..The Racing schooner Westward by CP Hamilton Adams)
she was scuttled in Hurd Deep " in a position 5 1/2 miles off and bearing 10 degrees true from the Casquets light.........at 12.45 pm on july 15 1947 Westward died"

rbgarr
09-09-2006, 12:01 AM
Thanks JB. I was worried it was only BRITANNIA that was scuttled but IIRC Davis felt (in part) such a kinship with the King that he felt WESTWARD deserved a similar burial at sea.

I gave my copy of that book to my naval aviator nephew. I'm wishing I could get another and I may as soon as I sell the fifty or so books I'm going to be disposing of soon. :eek:

Hwyl
09-09-2006, 04:05 AM
Someone is building a replica Brittania --- wood no less

http://www.ybw.com/auto/newsdesk/20060808100427ywnews.html

rbgarr
09-09-2006, 06:04 PM
WESTWARD and RANGER replicas, now this. Wow.