J Boat ENDEAVOUR Sold

[rbgarr]

"The 130 foot yacht Endeavour sold for $13.1 million, less than the $17.3 million asking price when she went up for sale last spring. The sale will be applied to Dennis Kozlowski's $167 million court-ordered restitution and fines while he serves a sentence of 8 1/3 to 25 years for looting Tyco.

Endeavour was the 1934 British challenger for the America's Cup and remains a well known sailing vessel in the yachting world."

Full report: http://tinyurl.com/rb73n

[Lew Barrett]

You think it looked different down below when they were racing it?:D

[S/V Laura Ellen]

You think it looked different down below when they were racing it?:D

They probably put the china, silver and crystal away while they were racing.:D

[donald branscom]

"The 130 foot yacht Endeavour sold for $13.1 million, less than the $17.3 million asking price when she went up for sale last spring. The sale will be applied to Dennis Kozlowski's $167 million court-ordered restitution and fines while he serves a sentence of 8 1/3 to 25 years for looting Tyco.

Endeavour was the 1934 British challenger for the America's Cup and remains a well known sailing vessel in the yachting world."

Full report: http://tinyurl.com/rb73n

Was that the boat that woman Elizabeth Meyers?(don't remember her last name for sure) sorry; that restored the entire boat?

[igatenby]

That'd be the boat I think. Damn - if I'd known they'd take less than the $17 mil, I would've bought it.

[bamamick]

I only hope the new owners do her justice. I would imagine their operating budget for a year would be in excess of 1 million dollars.

Last month's Yachting Monthly had a nice article on the J's. It stated that there are something like three building projects going on right now and that will bring the total number of these beauties to six or seven (I can't remember exactly. I know that Valsheda has attained a J-class certificate). Can you imagine 7 J-class boats sailing in a fleet race?

Mickey Lake

[martin schulz]

Just too bad that some boats (don't know about the Endeavour)were not restored properly. The design was changed, new carbon masts fitted, engine installed...to satisfy the needs of their new owners who wanted more luxury and convenience.

Lately I read that Elizabeth Meyers will have the CORONET restored. Fortunaly the restoration is going to be as authentic as possible (no engine, no modern materials...).

http://www.yachtcoronet.org/admin/gallery/Haul-%20Coronet%20on%20land.JPG

http://www.yachtcoronet.org/

[rbgarr]

ENDEAVOUR hit a ledge off Vinal or North Haven a couple of years ago and sustained damaged to her keel plating. She was hauled at Hood's yard in Portsmouth, RI and I went aboard to look around on deck. Amazing size, especially when you see her out of the water. The lazarette was the only space that wasn't busy with workmen and it had about eight feet of head room down there.

[bamamick]

Maybe the largest ever purpose built for racing, but I thought that I had heard that somewhere.

Mickey Lake

[uncas]

Regarding below decks, I learned something new when I was aboard Gleam. Prior to some more recent ruling, challengers and defenders had to have space below for the crew. Hence the bunks, the galley the head etc.
I don't know when the rules changed. Ya certainly can't fit all of that below decks on our current boats.

[rbgarr]

NGH's RELIANCE was probably the largest racing sloop built. Something like 202' from the end of the bowsprit to the end of the boom, and 134+' L between perpendiculars on a 90-' waterline. 14,400+ sq. ft SA!

There are some monstrous private yachts (sloops) now. MIRABELLA comes to mind.

[Hwyl]

Should have keel hauled Dennis Kozlowski and then given the boat to all those people who lost their liveliehood through his greed. Including one factory in Sanford, the next town to me. He had a cruise ship party for their Volvo entry, even when it was obvious the company was in major trouble.

Elizabeth Meyer on the other hand, orchestrated and largely financed the rebuilding of two J's and the IYRS. Good for her.

In one of my rare disagreements with Martin, if people want to spend their money to restore boats, then anything (within reason, Windrose is awful) goes.

[martin schulz]

Not a major disagreement there...

It is just a shame that some boats heve been seriously altered, because of personal convenience reasons. I am not talking about putting engines in or safety considerations. But there is really no reason to install an AC in a 1910 victorian yacht is there?

And those designers, Herreshoff, Fife, Payne - they knew what they were doing. Some old boats have a perfect ventilation system and I think it is a shame when classic interiours are ripped out of a boat, ballast is changed and design altered just because some rich freak wants to have the comfort of an 5* Hotel. Those guys should rather order a totally new boat that fits their demand.

And when you think about it it is definetely the interiour design that provides the fascinating "timemachine" of those old boats. The rigg is just an expendable item like a clutch in a car. The hull of almost all yachts exist in drawings, halfmodels or nowadays on some PCs, but the interiour of those old yachts are unique.

[John Meachen]

Wasn't the need for accomodation that Uncas refers to connected with the requirement that challengers for the America's cup had to sail to Newport?

[brian.cunningham]

Should have keel hauled Dennis Kozlowski and then given the boat to all those people who lost their liveliehood through his greed. Including one factory in Sanford, the next town to me. He had a cruise ship party for their Volvo entry, even when it was obvious the company was in major trouble.

Seriously, people like that give boat owners a bad reputation.

Nice to hear about the J's being restored, preserving history, and they're not just sitting at a dock.

[John B]

Authentic restoration is one thing but no engine in Coronet ? see, I personally see that as a bit silly.
Its a different age.
If thats so, hopefully they'll change their mind on that aspect.

[Hwyl]

The no engine thing is a way of using a glitch the Coast Guard rules. With engines I think the boat would need major complete bulkheads.

[Benchdog]

ENDEAVOUR hit a ledge off Vinal or North Haven a couple of years ago and sustained damaged to her keel plating. She was hauled at Hood's yard in Portsmouth, RI and I went aboard to look around on deck. Amazing size, especially when you see her out of the water. The lazarette was the only space that wasn't busy with workmen and it had about eight feet of head room down there.
Hi all, first post ----

Wow, I used to work for "Hood's Yard" ( Little Harbor ) and did a ton of work on that boat years ago.

I replaced that lazarette hatch and the deck around it (up to the main sheet traveler) with new bronzeel and teak over. We also reefed and recaulked ALL the seems on the whole deck. I still don't think my knees have recovered. I think there was a crew of about 50 various tradesmen working on that boat for an entire winter. All of the epoxy fairing was blasted off of the hull and the entire thing was refaired and painted . This was all back in 98' or 99'(??). The amount of work done on that boat during that refit had to run into the millions. I don't think anyone at Tyko even blinked about the cost.

She is a fine yacht. Having been on it, I can say she may not be museum "authentic" but she was redone in the spirit of authenticity. Personally I noticed no air conditioner (I'm sure it was there). Thats good enough for me. As for the engine - It is a 130ft steel yacht used for cruising. I'm a decent sailer but I'm glad I have my little outboard to get me into my harbor.

As for the carbon fiber mast.... hmmm.. I won't comment because she wasn't rigged when I worked on her. Since the rest of the boat was steel I wonder if the original mast was steel also. (I'm not sure). If so, that seems like alot of weight aloft. Her mast and boom was huge.
_Bench

[John B]

Thanks Hwyl.

[Hwyl]

Welcome Benchdog, are you still in the business?

[Benchdog]

Hi Hwyl
I've been out of the boatyards for the last few years

been making furniture for a living, but occasionally do some boat work.

This year I finished up with rebuilding a 1965 Marshall 18 for myself - spent the summer sailing. Now that our New England winter is on it's way, I have been bitten by the "boat building bug". I'm actually adding on to my shop so I have some more room to to build something. The question is what? ha ha

[Hwyl]

Hint, don't ask here. It will only expand your choices.

Can't help myself though Bolger Chebbacco

http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2001/Jerome-1.jpg

[martin schulz]

With engines I think the boat would need major complete bulkheads.

Which is complete BS on a wooden boat.

[rbgarr]

Take it up with the Coast Guard and other powers-that-be. Good luck.

[uncas]

There are a lot of strange regulations out there, re: coastguard.. Example, a working Skip Jack in MD. can not have an engine.

As an example, everyone thinks that one needs one life vest in a dinghy per person. Not true, ya need one more in case some other bloke from another boat falls in. You will have on hand, a life vest to throw to him. Well, I think that is the reason.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

King George V said that the "J" class should be called the "A" class - "A" for Adultery - since only two owners in it (he himself and his friend TB Davis, the owner of the Herreshoff schooner "Westward") had their original wives!

[uncas]

Just oges to show, their second wives were "J" boats. Hence the term Mistress of the Sea.

[bamamick]

working on one J-class. Can you weld? :).

Seriously though, welcome to the forum and please post often.

Mickey Lake

[Don Z.]

There are a lot of strange regulations out there, re: coastguard.. Example, a working Skip Jack in MD. can not have an engine.



That's not a USCG reg, that's a Maryland Dept of the Environment Reg...

RE: Bulkheads around the engine on a wooden boat... Why is that BS? I believe the reg for watertight bulkheads around an engine on a boat carrying passengers for hire has something to do with isolating the engine in case the boat takes on water... You'd still have an operating engine to get those people home.

You can "what if" that to death... (what if the catastrophic leak is in the engine room?)... but there's actually some thought behind it.

[martin schulz]

How do you suppose will bulkheads help on a wooden boat.
When a planks burst, the the whole plank twists and splinters and it won't stop at a bulkhead. Also the seams will open and other planks will twist as well.
On a steelboat that is different. When pressure is applied to a certain region so strong that a leak develops it will be stay where the pressure started and will not spread.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

There are many wooden fishing boats in the UK (and Hong Kong!) with steel bulkheads at each end of the engine room. It was a White Fish Authority requirement (and the WFA had a programme to improve Hong Kong fishing boats, which is why you can find Gardner engines so easily in Hong Kong).

I believe, but stand to be corrected, that the requirement related to the relative ease with with the machinery space can catch fire or flood.

[Lew Barrett]

Welcome Benchdog!

[elf]

Hmm. I wonder whether she's going to leave Newport, then?

Got a shot of her bow just the other day over there. Tied up at the Shipyard. Very distinctive, ferociously sharp point on that bow.