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Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )

10-05-2006, 09:55 AM

Spent the other night sleeping on Tidbit. The weather was warm I made myself a cup of tea, smoked my pipe and read a little before I fell gently asleep while rocking on her mooring. The peacefulness of sleeping in the cuddy was wonderful, I awoke well rested to a dense enveloping fog all around the mooring. I brewed some coffee and sat contemplating how wonderful it is to sleep and awake aboard a boat. I really like it. I did my morning ritual, brushing teeth, shaving and getting dressed, motored slowly, back to the dock in Cold Spring with a fresh cup of coffee in my hands and tiller between my legs looking off in the distant mountains and the ripple of water under my bow, thinking how wonderful it would be to have a boat large enough to live somewhat extended on, yet small enough to keep the intimate feeling I had on Tidbit.

Don't get me wrong Tidbit is a great little boat and the cuddy is more than sufficient for camp sailing but it would get a little harsh to make much more use of her than I currently am.

So here is the dream quest. Just small enough to truly have a live aboard that I can solo sail. A head and standing shower, a galley, a nice place to rest my head, some form of a heating source could be a little wood-burning stove, and a little fold up table to eat and work on. 38' might be too large but 32' or 34' I could even go smaller but then you start to compromise things. I would prefer a gaff rig, but still not all that comfortable with a ketch or a yawl rig. If we are dreaming, might as well make her blue water capable, even though Ian's, Ted brewer catboat, Marmalade, almost fulfills all my needs, I would still be a little uncomfortable taking a big old cat too far off shore. Then again I might not ever go much further than my home waters, but I would like the option to think I could go to the windward islands if my heart was in it. I would like to keep the draft as small as possible to prove easy anchorage.

Also to add some reality to this dream, lets put a price cap of about $30,000 yeaaaa right ;)

Anyway thats all for now, show me what's out there.

TomF

10-05-2006, 10:02 AM

Yikes. A whole bunch of options.

Many would say that 32' is much bigger than you'd need. A decently large 27' boat would have room for all you've described, including the shower. Though on advice from others, I'd probably ditch that ... and use a garden sprayer instead.

But at 32', if you can stomach the material, http://home.iprimus.com.au/martinm13/wylo/index.htm the Wylo is a dedicated voyager with more than enough room for all you're describing. I love the 3 headsail gaff cutter rig.

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )

10-05-2006, 10:11 AM

Tom the link does not work :(

Jay Greer

10-05-2006, 10:20 AM

I have a lot of friends who have lived aboard their boats. One design stands out as being both practical, classic in design and a joy to sail!
That boat is the H28 Ketch.
JG

donald branscom

10-05-2006, 10:25 AM

[QUOTE=Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]Spent the other night sleeping on Tidbit. The weather was warm I made myself a cup of tea.................
[QUOTE]

There would be NO PROBLEM finding the boat and at that price.
The real problem is the price of the slip and the fact you want to live aboard.
If you wanted to just stay on it over the week ends no problem.
NO MARINA WANTS LIVABOARDS ANYMORE. AND NO WOOD BOATS.
ONLY FAT SHORT fiberglass BOATS (charged for by the foot), and the marina never wants to see the owner. Sort of a storage container that floats in the water.

The problem in a nutshell is this - you have to have enough money to live on the land AND afford the boat ,maintenence, slip fees,etc.,.

If you have the money you can do it.
Thats why there is SO MUCH interest in trailerable boats. Forget the marinas. Let the hotel chains have it all.

OR build a steel 60 footer (all 3/8 inch plate) and anchor in federal waters. Have a watermaker. Get a monthly check don't give it to anyone and just use it for food and batteries etc,.,

sv Lorelei

10-05-2006, 10:29 AM

Joe:

Though plastic, Lorelei at 27' 6" has proved a very comfortable size for us. It will sleep 4, has stand up headroom, the stove can double as a heater with the addition of a ceramic flower pot. We added a portable sun shower two years ago which Kris claims is one of the best investments we ever made. We did 8 days out this summer and it was some of the most consistent sleep I had all year. This size boat is big enough to have decent seakeeping qualities, but small enough to easily single hand. There are tons of boats in all materials that accomplish the same thing. Alden, Atkin, Herreshoff, and numerous others designed boats just for what you're talking about.

Our main issue on Lorelei is her lack of suitable accessible storage areas. We tend to carry our gear aboard in canvas bags and the only places to stow them are the berths (inconvenient) or under the dinette (flying across the cabin on a port tack).

We evolved into it as a family. Similar to what you guys are doing. Learn all you can from Tidbit, there's something to be said for camp cruising (which is why my current build is of that ilk). But there is also something to be said for sailing over the horizon too!

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )

10-05-2006, 10:33 AM

Garrison Yacht Club would have no problem with me living aboard on a mooring or possibly a slip with shore power. I'm well liked and they know I take care of my boats. But yea as I venture out on any extended voyage I would be looking for other spots. What's the point of having a boat you can travel on and not travel.

Lets make this perfectly clear I in NO way want to build this boat. I'm looking for a proven design that would most suit my needs should I choose to invest the money.

uncas

10-05-2006, 10:42 AM

Joe..no comment....

Doug Wood

10-05-2006, 10:45 AM

Not a gaff rig but I like her...

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked_boats=1594203&lang=en&slim=quick&

sv Lorelei

10-05-2006, 10:48 AM

Joe: RAW FAITH might be coming up for sale?

TomF

10-05-2006, 10:54 AM

Tom the link does not work :(Link's fixed. Sorry 'bout that.
http://home.iprimus.com.au/martinm13/wylo/images/wylo11.jpg

Wylo is my new favourite steel boat, if I have to adjust my dreams downward from the Colvin steel schooner with a cargo hold.

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )

10-05-2006, 11:05 AM

Not a gaff rig but I like her...

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked_boats=1594203&lang=en&slim=quick&

Ayup that about does it, see I'm easy to please

http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/5/9/4/2/1594203_1.jpg?1158068400000

http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/5/9/4/2/1594203_15.jpg?1160060685171

http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/5/9/4/2/1594203_17.jpg?1160060707929

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )

10-05-2006, 11:22 AM

If I had to go F*#$GLASS this one aint bad

http://tinyurl.com/edsbt

Ian McColgin

10-05-2006, 11:52 AM

One of the more appealing options to Marmalade was a Colvin schooner - glass - essentially no interior. Which means you can easily make her just right for living aboard. Most boats are laid out for coastal cruising which means too many berths, too little real storage, way too little tankage, too small a galley stove and no truely useful heater.

After a quarter century of living aboard I have a passionate commitment to simplicity. That means foot pumps for the fresh water and a pump up garden sprayer adapted to be my shower/galley hot water. Most cost-effective hot water system in the universe. It means a dirt simple electric system with, if you must have shore power, an utter seperation of the AC from the DC. It's meant for me up to now no refrigeration. Marmalade came with a good refrig so I'll not take it out and I'm enjoying it enough but it's utterly non-essential.

Granuaile had a capacious shower space but frankly it's wasted space. I'm rebuilding Marmalade's head in the same way I did Goblin's - sit on the head shower with all surfaces draining to the well. It's incredibly easy to keep the head clean and fresh if you just clorox-spritze the walls after your own final rinse and use the last of the gallon of hot water - these showers are quite water thrifty - to rince the walls.

The thing is - living aboard is a major life change. Try some longish coastal cruising both alone and with family and after a few years you'll know what you really want. Then you can modify the boat or get one more perfectly suited.

On Marmalade at sea - before I'm ready to venture more than a day's sail from some safe haven the seaworthiness of the boat gets some very serious improvement, mainly reducing the cockpit size by adding bolt in place waterproof storage boxes, raising the drainage by adding to the current pair of 1-1/2" drains an additional four 3" drains, and making the skylight and companion truely tight.

I do not believe anything will make a catboat self-righting but, like Slocum's Spray and Voss's Tilicum (sp?) good seamanship can work with these hulls to bring that risk down to an acceptable level. Unlike with Granuaile, I don't dream of Marmalade doing high southern latitudes.

uncas

10-05-2006, 11:54 AM

Hey Ian

Now that there is a thread that has your attention. I've got a pic or two for you.
Can you pm me with your address... I'll send them along.

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )

10-05-2006, 11:57 AM

Most boats are laid out for coastal cruising which means too many berths, too little real storage, way too little tankage, too small a galley stove and no truely useful heater.

.... That means foot pumps for the fresh water and a pump up garden sprayer adapted to be my shower/galley hot water. Most cost-effective hot water system in the universe. It means a dirt simple electric system with, if you must have shore power, an utter seperation of the AC from the DC.

Very important comments Ian, especially the one about how most boats are laid out with too many berths, too little real storage, way too little tankage.

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )

10-05-2006, 12:27 PM

OK I think if I had to go with a fiberglass the only choice for me would be one of the Cheoy Lee built boats they are as close as you can get to a wooden boat.

Beautiful stuff out there at a good price.

Thad Van Gilder

10-05-2006, 12:55 PM

I lived abourd for a while... loved it!

That RawFaith must be cheap if it goes up for sale! Real traditional! no engine!

-Thad

TomF

10-05-2006, 12:59 PM

uncas

10-05-2006, 01:05 PM

Ah heck, I live aboard four to six months a year. I love every second of it but at the same time, I live alone.I don't have a family.Okay, I have a dog but basically, I am alone.
There are good things about living alone on a boat and there are bad things. You have to balance the two.

Now I know there are those out there that have spent years on a boat. I have not heard from them but I would not be surprised if they don't agree.

dmede

10-05-2006, 01:20 PM

uncas

10-05-2006, 01:40 PM

I am very fond of Lisa but I can't see her being happy living aboard.
Being alone is a definate advantage...Again, Lisa is great but she has her limits.

Tanbark Spanker

10-05-2006, 02:02 PM

Lived aboard and sailed boats from 30'-51' and stayed on boats as small as 22'. I think you may want to look at Sam Devlin's Oysta 28 for a boat that could also be used to charter a couple for the weekends. Sweet boat, plenty of room. Salty, too.

Small boats= less room to fly around in when the weather gets rough.

brad9798

10-05-2006, 04:00 PM

How bout the best of all worlds ... with this nice Cheoy Lee:

http://newimages.yachtworld.com/1/3/7/6/0/1376021_1.jpg?1114526568000

Room for your wife and Tess too!!

JimD

10-05-2006, 04:15 PM

[quote=Tanbark Spanker]... I think you may want to look at Sam Devlin's Oysta 28 ...quote]

Ooooooo I like the look of Devlin's Oysta series. Definitely on my dream list :cool:

http://www.devlinboat.com/oysta281.gif

uncas

10-05-2006, 04:16 PM

Brad..yes, I guess its nice...but I still like Uncas' lines...If I have to put Uncas to sleep, the C Lee may be a possibility but...umm.. still not the same.

brad9798

10-05-2006, 04:29 PM

Nice for what she is, I guess, that Cheoy Lee ... When I was kid, I always wanted one of those ... but the larger 53 or 63 version.

I thought it to be the ultimate hybrid, if you will.

Certainly, it is NO UNCAS! No question about it.

uncas

10-05-2006, 04:34 PM

No, it ain't no Uncas

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid144/p5ffdc85863113d519f5da0d0309e4204/f67e47a3.jpg

PeterSibley

10-05-2006, 05:11 PM

We keep saying it ... me a lot lately ... but get a copy of Voyaging on a Small Income ... especially if you think Ian's comments sound up your alley. Annie Hill makes the same points, and more, and goes into quite a lot of detail about how they laid out 32' Badger as a really efficient livaboard.

Tom ,I have a copy and I'd say it is the best cruising advice I've found.Pretty well the basis of my planniing .My boat will be 34' OA, 30'WL and I'm going to try and get in the accomodations of a 26'WL:D with headroom.I want a bit of room and lots of simplicity .

donald branscom

10-05-2006, 05:36 PM

If I had to go F*#$GLASS this one aint bad

http://tinyurl.com/edsbt

That Pearson is a very beautiful boat and at $24.000
what a deal WOW. Do it.
http://i12.tinypic.com/4defhp3.jpg

S/V Laura Ellen

10-05-2006, 05:54 PM

Folkboats are a good small cruising boat.

http://www.woodwindyachts.com/Restorations/Tjockis/tjockis53.jpg

Stiletto

10-05-2006, 05:56 PM

That Pearson looks like a nice boat, but a wheel on a boat that size takes up too much space and is an uneccessary complication in my opinion.

BillP

10-05-2006, 05:57 PM

I lived aboard 10+ yrs on several wood boats. H28 ketch, Pennant 29 fractional sloop and a 42' cutter. If I had to do it all over again I'd prefer another H28 ketch...Herreshoff designs are soooo nice and 9k lbs displacement is all you need. The split rig was great when offshore and the wind piping.

dmede

10-05-2006, 05:59 PM

If your going to live aboard you really ought to live aboard, know what I mean... :D

This one goes without wind and has seating for 12! Come on, what would you rather be holding in your non-pipe hand, a tiller or a scotch and water?

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/215350486.html
http://a.im.craigslist.org/1M/w3/3wPAezvQ8n5V3tbAWNfYTUHqFdrd.jpg
http://b.im.craigslist.org/kw/rj/a6gGJlkEOrE4P0QBGs89G8JJGX3W.jpg
http://a.im.craigslist.org/oV/sV/NqCWYXPg7yVumPEr4oDQ4CjYg1w7.jpg

openboater

10-05-2006, 07:12 PM

I remember some well known designer said it's best to live on a power boat and drag a small performance sailboat behind. Makes sense to me, but then again I don't sail.

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )

10-05-2006, 07:20 PM

I remember some well known designer said it's best to live on a power boat and drag a small performance sailboat behind. Makes sense to me, but then again I don't sail.

I have been "Boating" on Tidbit since April 1, I'm out at least once a day, sometime 3 times a day. Some days for hours and hours. So far I have burned about $28 in gas, Sailboat makes sense to me. ;)

Especially for an extended live aboard.

Dave Gray

10-05-2006, 08:05 PM

"I remember some well known designer said it's best to live on a power boat and drag a small performance sailboat behind. Makes sense to me, but then again I don't sail."

There ya go. Like Paul Allen whose yacht has two 30' tenders - one a sailboat, the other a power boat - and inside platforms for his two man submersibles to dock in....

Capm Ed

10-05-2006, 08:37 PM

Joe - Sounds like you are having early symptoms of ineedabiggerboatitus. Your case seems very familiar. I sailed my old Pearson 24 on the Hudson just south of your location. My sailing grounds were from the Bear Mountain Bridge to the Tappan Zee. After about 17 years of plying those waters I decided I needed a bigger boat. Found a 32' Pearson Vanguard in Maine and sailed her down to Ossining. After sailing her there for 3 - 4 years I grew tired of the same surroundings. I felt I needed to expand my horizon. Moved her to the Sound. Now I sail out of Bridgeport Ct. and my sailing area includes the waters between City Island and Nantucket. The Cold Spring area is beautiful area, but with a bigger boat comes the urge to explore.
Ed

donald branscom

10-05-2006, 09:43 PM

Folkboats are a good small cruising boat.

http://www.woodwindyachts.com/Restorations/Tjockis/tjockis53.jpg

Whats that disclaimer all about?????

paladin

10-05-2006, 09:45 PM

Joe...all my serious long haul cruising was in smaller boats...27, 31 and 38 feet.....the 38 interior was no bigger than the 31..
Tana Mari at 44 feet 6" was the last one...it did not circumnavigate. I sailed it from thailand, in and around the Indian ocean, up to the med and around and into the black sea, around england and scotland, latvia etc.....I realized too late that it really was too big, but I thought bigger was better. When you get over 30 feet everything becomes luxury....and the price for everything goes up exponentially....haulouts, painting sails etc are gonna cost a fortune...
Justremember, more ocean crossings are made in boats 30 feet and under than all other sizes combined....

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )

10-06-2006, 05:12 AM

I'm all for going smaller the 31' Pearson Custom I posted has more than enough room. The only thing it is missing the all important HEAT that would be important in my location. How would one remedy that ?

Also just thinking of it as a second home and not wanting to haul out does anyone live aboard through the winter months in my location. What would be necessary to keep comfortable and then their is always ICE !!!! and SNOW !!!! I used to know a guy when I lived-in Jersey City who lived aboard a sailboat all year long kept it docked in Newport Marina on the Hudson, I wonder how he faired, I always thought it was amazing how he just made his boat his apartment. I have a fairly hearty constitution so I wouldn't mind roughing it a little, for the benefit of a second home on the water.

Is it even possible ?

paladin

10-06-2006, 06:24 AM

absolutely.....a little ESPAR heater tucked away somewhere wiill run on diesel with very little battery drain for the blower....you will need to stash a few cans of fiesel in the lazerette for extended stays, but the smaller units use the fuel very sparingly.....for ambience you may want a bulkead mounted charcoal or diesel fired heater, but the real amount of heat is questionable......the ESPAR is the most efficient

Tylerdurden

10-06-2006, 06:47 AM

I know this is out of place here Joe but I have been looking at plans for about 10 years now and for economy of build and many other reasons I have set my liveaboard as a Colvin Pinky Schooner.
I had been toying with a steel hull because of ice issues if I get stuck up here over winter and because I have lots of experience fabbing steel. Everything else is wood. After I finnish the Rescue Minor I will be setting up for that build. I know it takes some romance out of it but
one needs to be practical and the costs involved in a wood hull might keep me away from a build or having less of a boat. I have a sailing companion that would be happier with more space. Seeing as the hull will be named after her I should accomidate her needs.

Tylerdurden

10-06-2006, 06:55 AM

Joe I missed your last post, I am going to be using wood/coal stove for my build for many reasons. I had a deisel heater onboard the EGG for one winter in Boston Harbour, I froze and keeping the air pump(ring compressor) running during icing was a drag.
That winter made me understand the benifits of having a steel hull and a neighbor had a coal stove and he was always toastie.
Espars are slow when your cold, you can slowly back away from the coal stove and get warmer quicker. I know the hudson freezes hard so I can't figure you staying in the water all year up there. The ice flows in the spring we be a concern if you get past the winter.

openboater

10-06-2006, 07:02 AM

Joe, when the dream hit's ya' just gotta do it.

October is a great time of year to buy a boat.

but this wintering over should be thought out. The marina may leave the electric on, but no water, no pump out and probably no plowing.
I don't know what kind of shovel is best for shoveling docks after a nor'easter......

Larry P.

10-06-2006, 07:23 AM

Joe I do have a set of building plans for Antigua.

http://web.mac.com/historyteach/iWeb/My%20Site/Misc.%20Photos_files/07-15%20DD%20Antigua%205_2.jpg

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )

10-06-2006, 07:25 AM

Larry you livingaboard over the winter ?

Hey found this cool forum, WBF Charlie Santini from City Island is over there.

http://www.livingaboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

Larry P.

10-06-2006, 07:28 AM

Not full time, but I will be aboard for extended stays. On yhe weekends I have my son he loves to sleep on the boat. We have been splitting time between the apt and Antigua.

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )

10-06-2006, 07:31 AM

So Antigua will not be hauled this winter then ? Do you have a slip with water and shore power ?

Larry P.

10-06-2006, 07:42 AM

Yep, water shore power and a bubble system.

Larry P.

10-06-2006, 07:45 AM

Which reminds me. I am looking for a small portable cabin heater. Antigua has built in heat when hooked to shore power but I am looking for something safe and practicle when away from power. does anyone have any suggestions?

Ian McColgin

10-06-2006, 08:51 AM

Nothing portable is really safe as most sail boats and the majority of power boats don't have deck space to locate the unit away from combustables and out of the line of getting kicked.

I did adapt a Kerosun (Toyostove) to a boat by finding a spot and screwing it down. I made a hood vent and stuffed bronze wool into the fuel tank to reduce surge/slosh. The leading cause of fire with these units it the overwhelming temptation to refill the fuel not just indoors but with the unit running. Take care.

openboater

10-06-2006, 09:15 AM

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )

10-06-2006, 09:20 AM

Wow, running water over the winter, I'm impressed. But Joe, you'll be missed on the forums if you don't have at least a phone for dial up.

I really am amazed how different the weather is between syracuse and Long Island that you can have dock water year round. But you guys can play golf all year so I shouldn't be suprised.

Trust me my liveaboard will have WiFi, at this very moment I'm using some local WiFi that I jacked into at my local cafe in town. You would be surprised how much FREE WiFi you can get just along any coast. Or at least a Verizon PCMCII broadband card on my laptop is simple enough ;)

Other than that basic needs are interesting to find out. Like not only running water but HOT water over the winter, are there hot water makers ? How long does a holding tank last between refills and I take fast showers I do not want to invest in cologne and Febrese ™ :D This is all new to me, but fun. :D

paladin

10-06-2006, 09:41 AM

you can get hot water tanks from about 2.5 gallons up.....if you have an inboard engine, you route the coolant lines through the tank and when the engine runs it makes hot water and will keep fairly well for a few hours, depending on the insulation, etc. If you have shore power it only takes a few minutes to heat a tank of water for showers..
If the sun is shining....even with snow on the deck... one of the black bag "solar showers" will have a tendency to heat the water well enough in 2-3 hours to make it a comfortable shower.

tossedman

10-06-2006, 05:52 PM

How about one of Paul Gartside's cutters? A thirty footer ought to do you but I'm sure he'll design you whatever you want.
http://www.gartsideboats.com/pgimages/109Best2.jpg
Check him out at http://www.gartsideboats.com/ I know that I like his boats. Saw his Surprise II sail by last winter. Gorgeous little boat.

Todd

Moose

10-06-2006, 06:27 PM

I personally am in love with this one.

http://www.dngoodchild.com/divide_for_sail_boats.htm

Check out that link and scroll down until you see Cyclone under the 24' and up section. W Hand draws a pretty boat... I'd post a picture but for some reason it won't let me.

tossedman

10-06-2006, 07:14 PM

http://www.dngoodchild.com/5303.jpg
Here's the Cyclone.

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )

10-06-2006, 07:22 PM

WOA beautiful boats but I'm not into building.

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )

10-06-2006, 08:01 PM

Damn

http://tinyurl.com/edsbt

31' Pearson Custom

Year: 1997
Last Listed Price: US$ 24,500
Sold: US$ 20,000 (10/06)

I knew it was a good one and it would go fast :(

LeeG

10-06-2006, 10:26 PM

somethings fishy for it to be that cheap and have had all that work.

anyway I beat you to it.

what are you doing looking for a liveaboard?

Nanoose

10-06-2006, 10:38 PM

Joe - we lived aboard (family of 4) for four years, one of which we spent 'away'. It was the BEST thing we did, and both of our kids pine for those days, say they'd do it again in a heartbeat, and talk of doing it one day with their kids.

My favorite is living 'on the hook' - being rocked to sleep everynight. It CAN be a pain if the wind is REALLY up some night, but those nights are rare.

Again, it was an amazing time, and I/we can't recommend it highly enough.

LeeG

10-06-2006, 10:58 PM

paladin

10-07-2006, 07:15 PM

Joe.....how about a 31-32 foot catboat......big enough for the entire family and friends and all the comforts....

Tom Hunter

10-09-2006, 06:34 AM

I will put in a vote for Eastport Pinkies. Mine was a live aboard for part of her last owner life, and I think he did it for years.

They have a lot of space below, sail reasonably fast, are very comfortable and can be soloed though I reccomend lazy jacks if your going to do that.

It is the cargo hauling heritage that really makes them a nice apartment, anything designed to be sailed by one man and carry 10 tons of stuff is likely to make a nice place to live. Even if you don't look at Eastport Pinkies in particular I would look at cargo carrying types because they will all have a nice combination of sea keeping and space that you may not get in boats built for other purposes.

Anthony Zucker

10-10-2006, 11:38 AM

Joe;
Here's a link to an H-28 for sale right here in East Tennessee. It's made of the other material but sure is pretty and looks comfortable
http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/boa/215273939.html

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )

10-10-2006, 12:47 PM

Joe;
Here's a link to an H-28 for sale right here in East Tennessee. It's made of the other material but sure is pretty and looks comfortable
http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/boa/215273939.html

I emailed the seller great price I have no idea how I would transport it to NY but she looks nice, Not a lot of info on the holding tanks, galley, or head. But the search goes on ;)

JimD

10-10-2006, 01:44 PM

An H28 for sailing ability, sure, but to live aboard a boat with 4'8" headroom? I'd be looking for a huskier boat with some serious cabin space. Something like Lyle Hess's Bristol Channel Cutter would give you a lot more living space for 28 feet of boat. And if you really want shoal draft and living space then it would be hard to beat Paladin's suggestion for a catboat.

Hess Bristol Channel Cutter. 28 feet of serious sailboat, 6'1" headroom. Made in fiberglass by Sam Morse. Not likely you'd ever find one in your price range though.

http://www.samlmorse.com/img/bcc_layout2.jpg

Wes White

10-10-2006, 10:47 PM

JimD

10-12-2006, 12:17 PM

Joe,
See if you can find an OLD Morgan Thirty. Centerboard, masthead sloop, draws about 3'6" board up, sails like hell, standing headroom, good old woven roving, hand laid up construction, and usually cheap as dirt. Not a bad looking boat, either.

Here is a humourously named website on one sailor's experience purchasing and fixing up a Morgan 30:

http://www.myholeinthewater.com/index.html

http://www.myholeinthewater.com/images/IMG_0817.jpg