TOTO, MAYBE THE WIZARD KNOWS

[jimarb]

DEAR WIZARD - THE MIGHTY AND POWERFULL OZ :cool:

THINK I'VE READ IT ALL ON ANTI-FREEZE, BORATES,CPES ETC, ETC, ETC AND USED SEVERAL REAMS OF PAPER PRINTING THEM OUT HAVE A 21' LYMAN THAT SAT FOR A FEW YEARS WITH ABOUT 6" OF WATER IN THE BILDGE ( MOST IN THE BOW )- PLACED THERE BY THE WICKED WITCH OF THE WEST - I AM REPLACING THE FIRST 6 TO 8 FT OF THE KEEL AND 10 OF THE RIBS
( PARTIALLY ) - WANT TO DO SOMETHING TO
( CHOOSE ONE ) KILL , IMPEDE , SLOW DOWN THE ROT SPORES THAT UNDOUBTABLY LIVE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE HULL - AM COMPLETELY CONFUSED (PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN) ABOUT WHAT TO USE - THERE ARE SOME VERY SMALL PLACES I WILL USE CPES ON THE INTERIOR SO I DO NOT WANT TO USE ANYTHING THAT WILL IMPEDE ITS PERFORMANCE - WILL BE USING CPES ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE HULL ( BELOW THE WATERLINE ) TO IMPROVE THE SURFACE FOR PAINT ----- PLEASE DEAR WIZARD TELL ME WHAT TO DO - DON'T TELL ME TO KLICK MY HEELS AND SAY GO AWAY - REMEMBER TOTO WILL BE A PASSENGER ON THE BOAT YOURS TRULY :rolleyes: DOROTHY

[Bob Cleek]

Dear "Dorothy"

Like the Wizard, the answer is hot air.

Put your CPES down wherever you reach bare wood. In fact, it will probably pay to take it all down to bare wood. Then lay on a good coat of paint. If you cut out sufficient wood to get down beyond the rotten stuff, yes, there are always rot spores around and there isn't much you can do about it, but.... you will have a running head start. Wood is a naturally decaying substance. If it weren't, forests would be pretty cluttered places. Nature has devised a clever system for infinitely recycling wood. Building something out of it screws with nature's plan. The best we can hope for is to wrest some usefulness from wood during its trek from tree to dust. The most effective preventative against rot is fresh air. Rot is sort of like fire with its "fuel-heat-oxygen" equation. With rot, it is "damp-stuffiness-spores." If you can remove any one of the elements, you beat the rot. It is pretty much impossible to remove spores, which are airborne and everywhere. Same for damp if you are talking about a boat. Circulating ventillation will keep the damp away to a great extent and inhibit spore growth. Closed up damp boats die fast.

[Ed Harrow]

Jim, the Wizard's hearing is very good - no need to yell.

Welcome, by the way.

[capt jake]

Cleek, is that in preparation for that new role as spokesman for CPES? :D Well said. Man you are on a role tonight. smile.gif

[ken mcclure]

Nobody gets in to see the Cleek. Not Nobody - Not Nohow!

http://home.adelphia.net/~kwmcclure/images/wiz_c023.jpg

What Bob said above is Gospel.

[J. Dillon]

This one sat on the bottom of Lake Champlain for 165 years with no CPES. What does it have now Bob ?
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p3b43234e4bff2d03aba521fb64a8dc5e/fdf5da7a.jpg

[Dale Harvey]

The first thing I do with a rot problem is fill a garden sprayer with institutional strength Clorox with a good dollop of LIQUID TSP ( Home Despot has it) and spray the whole thing down. BE CAREFUL to have better than adequate ventilation, a suitable respirator, and eye protection. Any little patches of rot that you didn't see, will turn white and shrivel up as they dry. Any paint, other than white, will be. The TSP will help when you rinse the area with plenty of water, or better a pressure washer that will also remove anything suspect. Be VERY CAREFUL with high pressure washers on wood. When dry, wood treated this way will soak in even more CPES, and that is a good thing! (maybe we can crank Cleek up for another anti-Martha harrangue) Like Bob says, the spores will always be there to re-infect, so you have eliminate conditions that will allow them to grow. As you seldom find anything growing in a bottle of bleach or a can of CPES, they make a good team when applied properly.

[TomRobb]

The bottom of Lake Champlain is too wet, perhaps too oxygen deprived, and too cold for rot to be happy. The Great lakes have preserved a great many sunken wrecks. No ship worms either.

[nedL]

"Like the Wizard said". ;)

[jimarb]

Thanks to all - only a few ? :confused: -

Dale - finish ? "Any paint, other than white, will be ????? - also what is TSP ??

Capt - thought I saw a hearing aid in the wizards ear - Maybe it was a reflection in the mirror of the Tin Mans hat.

assume the answer is - " no matter what you treat with - anit-freeze, borates, clorox, etc the most important is controling temperature, moisture content and air circulation "

RIGHT ??? :confused:

[ken mcclure]

You should neutralize the wood with an acid rinse after using the TSP. Tri-Sodium Phosphate is highly alakine, and will turn some woods (notably oak) black if you don't bring the pH back down to neutral.