update...

[uncas]

Okay.. I posted to another thread but just in case...

I have just gotten off the phone with the yard that maintains the Mason's Schooner...

Expecting written confirmation but here is where my search is at..
70% of the hull has been redone.. ribs, planks, stern post etc.
the price is good.. based on the yard...
needed..
wiring
a bigger fuel tank
a holding tank
water tanks.
an interior rehab for a liveablboard.....
masts good..
rigging good
deck.. may need some work.. couldn't remember ( yard )
basically a steal.. Boatyard comment

Labor 35.00/hour for the missing items and redo of interior.

This is looking good...

Call into owner... pictures expected.....call back from owner..expected....


umm....

[paladin]

damn, Jamie...the local weenies want 85-95 an hour....

[Nanoose]

ya...and that's $35 CDN...which is about $2 US, isn't it?:) No, wait...that's what it used to be. Now it's probably around $30+.

[uncas]

I know.. been there Chuck.... Not bad.. and then you take into account the exchange rate....
I'm almost embarrassed to pay that amount....

[Ethan]

I know.. been there Chuck.... Not bad.. and then you take into account the exchange rate....
I'm almost embarrassed to pay that amount....

lol...if'n it'll make you feel better, you can send ME the difference! Great news Jamie!

[uncas]

Ethan.. not there yet.. I'm being really careful.. once burned....
But the owner of the yard sounds like an upstanding guy..
If he couldn't answer a question, he said so....
I like that....
I really think there are some possibiliities here.. regardless as to my experience with schooners....

[TomF]

That sounds... m a r v e l o u s !!

It's also rather nice, considering that you're going to have to refit pretty much any boat to make it optimal for living aboard, that currently the interior sounds like it's a bit stripped down for racing. Fewer berths to rip out and replace with storage when you re-design your interior for living aboard.

As you do that, I'm remembering that Annie Hill insisted on a galley that was about 6' long, opposite the chart table. She found less counter space than that was a real pain when trying to create and serve dinner for more than 2 people.

She also made a strong case for keeping at least some of the water supply in food-grade plastic jerrycans, rather than a single big tank. As well as being much cheaper, it made it easier to keep track of their water consumption, to ensure that contaminated water didn't foul the whole supply, to re-fill at some places where you could only land by dinghy, and to adjust trim within the boat as necessary.

They kept a 5 gallon tank of fresh (and 2 of salt) under the galley sink, which they topped up as needed.

[uncas]

TomF etc..
I'm gonna do it right or not at all.

[Torna]

Thangs for keeping us posted Jamie. You may have more of a (largely silent) following than you may realize. Please do keep us up with developments.

-leif

[uncas]

I will post the pictures.. the ones promised me.. I am just really bad about the mechanisms for doing so.... I will do what I can..
But damn.... this sounds better and better....

Uncas 2 will rise again....

[TomF]

If it does ultimately happen that you buy a Canadian boat (this, or another), there might be a Canadian WBFer or two that would make themselves available if you need crew for part of the return trip. (HINT, HINT):D

[uncas]

TomF


Umm.. if I have to make a trip.. and if this goes any further.. I may need some assistance... a bunk for a dinner out on the town perhaps... I have not forgotten that I have friends down east in Canada....
Will see........ and a boat trip.. down the road.. is an automatic.... I'll need help there too... at least until I get my schooner sea legs....

[mmd]

Uncas, what yard is it being stored at?

[uncas]

Cecil Heisler..... ring a bell with you......?
Seems as though they have done much of the work.....
And the owner seemed very familiar with the boat on the phone.. Homnest.. direct for starters...

[mmd]

Yeah, I know Cecil. Have worked with him a bit and known him for years. Excellent boatbuilder, honest & fair businessman, and as crusty and colorful as an old traditional boatbuilder should be. The only bad part about the boat being at his place is that I can't drop by for a look-see with my camera - his shop is on an island. Yes, he is the builder who did the re-fit. It should be top notch in materials and build quality. I'd trust his opinions on what needs to be done, too.

Let me know if & when you are coming up; I'll try to remove any obstacles.

[CarlZog]

Hey, Uncas;

If this works out, will you be keeping the boat in New England, or the Chesapeake?

If you're going to join the schooner club, you'll be expected at the Gloucester Schooner Race in Gloucester, MA on Labor Day, and the Great Chesapeake Bay Schooner Race in October!

Carl

[uncas]

mmd.. my impression exactly.. a bit crusty.. very down to earth and fair, knowledgeable.. up front.. and only based on a phone call.
As I wrote, this is looking like a potential replacement... will see...
It may very well be that I head to NS in the dead of winter LOL..If nothing else, there are a few canadian formites I'd love to touch base with.... a good excuse for making the trip regardless.

Carl.. umm.. I guess joining the Schooner assoc. would make sense..
NE or MD..ummmm well, if I loive aboard, I guess that wouldn't matter... Being a yankee though...umm NE?
Now racing without a crew would be very interesting...

one step at a time :)

[uncas]

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Torna
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Thangs for keeping us posted Jamie. You may have more of a (largely silent) following than you may realize. Please do keep us up with developments.

Good to know.. will keep you posted.. comments/recommendations/suggestions accepted.. bilge overflow not accepted....

[Don Z.]

Just a thought... Import duties?

[uncas]

Don Z.. yes I figured.. always a tax...gotta take that into account...

[BrianW]

If you need help posting the pictures, let me know. If you can e-mail them to me, I can get'em posted here.

[uncas]

BrianW
I have fought this machine to try to figure it ( posting pics direct ) out.. go through the steps over and over again..Think I've done it only to find..ummm nada..
I may just take you up on the offer... And I hope to get some pictures soon. Cecil said he would send me what he had. Hoping to hear from the owners soon and get more...

Thanks and good night.. This time change is messing me up...

[uncas]

Not much to add.. Have called the owner 6 times..left messages... never a response.. I am getting a bit frustrated. Finally called the broker and asked him up front, is the current owner interested in selling his boat or not? Asked him to e-mail the guy...
I don't like sitting here twiddling my thumbs... and no, I ain't gonna go to NS without a reason...
It's a buyer's market out there...

[Wild Dingo]

Jamie mate that may be so... Id think a trip to NS would be a very worthwhile journey given the boats that they have there and the exchange rate would it not? This one may well slip by but Im guessing Michael Earl Steve or some of the others can point you toward another equal or better for a similar or even better price? Worth considering...

Then of course theres the grand opportunity of meeting with them :cool:

[Ed Harrow]

Perhaps one has to note, 'Seriously for sale' that accompanies some advertisments. On the other hand, it does sound like a good excuse to go visiting.

[pcford]

Okay.. I posted to another thread but just in case...

I have just gotten off the phone with the yard that maintains the Mason's Schooner...

Expecting written confirmation but here is where my search is at..
70% of the hull has been redone.. ribs, planks, stern post etc.
the price is good.. based on the yard...
needed..
wiring
a bigger fuel tank
a holding tank
water tanks.
an interior rehab for a liveablboard.....
masts good..
rigging good
deck.. may need some work.. couldn't remember ( yard )
basically a steal.. Boatyard comment

Labor 35.00/hour for the missing items and redo of interior.

This is looking good...

Call into owner... pictures expected.....call back from owner..expected....


umm....
With due respect...as I've said, I have sympathy for Jaime and I have no reason to criticize him.

However, I said that the threads relating to the Jaime/Uncas situation were the wackiest ever; it seemed that nothing has changed in that regard.

First, Jaime was upset to the point of starting and then nuking threads over the loss of his boat. He did not detail why the boat was beyond saving. The cost was supposed to be around 80k. This seems high even for such a substantial repair. Evidently only one surveyor looked at the boat...other yards or boatwrights have not given opinions. The surveyor said that the boat was "built for summer people." Meaning what? Aren't all pleasure boats built for "the summer people?"

We had an impromptu gang from all over the world offering to do the work. Then we had vultures trying to get pieces of the boat.

And now........Jaime....wants to buy a boat that has a list of items which will cost....I don't know...but certainly a few/several tens of thousands.

And people are saying he is making a great decision and wrangling for rides.

This just does not make sense to me...I just do not get it. Now sail boats are not my area of expertise...but on the other hand I have rough idea what things cost.

Have I missed something? Otherwise none of this is making much sense to me.

[uncas]

pcford..


Okay, I went through a heck of a week,, Granted, I needed a pfd.. As with most everything though I am getting over it and the way to do so is to obviously look for another boat, try to figure out what to do with Uncas.. and am also thinking about changing my life style.

Repairing Uncas.. for me, is not worth it. I reported my conversation with Captain Haley who looked at it.. We had a good discussion.. Could Uncas be rebuilt yes, but it is not going to be by me.
When it was just the stern post that is one thing..
Also, what is gonna be next? Once all the planks are off.. Captain Halley also said that the dead wood was well, okay...ummm.

Okay.. What to do..with Uncas... options, cut him up.. or find a school that will take him. The second part of this question is harder to do than you think.. IYRS has nibbled.. but they have a committee.. has to go through a committee.. It was easier to get into college.
Thought one was and is the back up.. I ain't gonna leave it in the boatyard to rot away and be a problem for the boatyard. So, if this happens and I hope it doesn't, there are items that can be used. so, I made the offer.... no vultures.. people who would put those items to good use...

So, new.. used boat.. as this is the only way to get out of my slump, I'm looking for one. Again, this is logical to me.. Now this boat will need some things... it is set up for racing.. and I am thinking of being a liveaboard..

Any boat I buy or look at is gonna have or need things... boats are expensive no matter what you get. Looking at a boat which is going for a reasonable amount, and doing some renovations is one thing. But the hull I gather is sound and a lot of the work has already been done.
Some here thought it would be a good idea to build another hull for Uncas.. MMD and a few others figured about 75,000 and then ya have to deal with what I put on my list above.. same hole different boat.
So, I'm not sure what or where you ar3e coming form. That is fine.. but I think, for most intents and purposes, I am working through this more logically than you give me credit for.

I mean, I think I offered to basically give you Uncas and you said no way. You are not alone with that response.

pss. I did not consider those offering to take parts off Uncas as being vultures for two reasons:
1) I would like to see, even parts of Uncas used and appreciated
2) I don't want to have someone break her up and throw the usable parts away or worse, take those parts and sell them for a profit.
3) many of the parts are particular to the boat.... won't fit any other.... If someone could use them and no boat school is interested what does one do?

and finally, a boat group is looking at Uncas on Sunday... to take as a donation.

[pcford]

Thanks for taking the time to attempt to clarify things. I am not sure I understand much more. You seem to have made your decision and thus the following is probably wasted breath.

1. You seem to be basing your decision of the condition and value of repairs on one person. I have no idea of the skills of your Mr. Haley. I do know that there are some surveyors around here, very popular ones, that I certainly would not trust. In any case, why not ask more people for an opinion? I am shameless about asking for opinions when I need to make a big decision like this.

2. It is fairly easy, as I understand it, to get a boat rebuilt around here in one of the boat schools. You have tried one. Are there more places? Materials would be substantial, but would be a small fraction of total cost.

3. Have you received a estimate on the cost of doing all required work on the new boat? You say interior work is needed. Joinerwork is horrifically expensive. My estimate on a new galley for a 35 ft. Chris was 20k to 40k. Also, a deck that needs attention is a big warning sign to me.

4. Maybe it's me. I keep cars beyond the rational limit....
But I would exhaust all possibilities on saving your boat before taking a chance on another. You don't seem to have done that. The jackals will always be around to help you part it out. You gone from not wanting to talk about the situation to offing your boat with little stop in between.

5. I don't recall being offered your boat. If that occured, I am honored. Right now, as much as Rose and I would like a boat, I am not in a position to take on the responsibility.

[uncas]

PcFord

I can't say I disagree.. because I am in MD.. Regarding the surveyor, one person wrote that he would take two of Capt. Halleys over any other.. that says something to me. He was recommeneded.. his name was given to me as the best.. He teaches at the wooden boat school... My God, how much do I want? I mean, someone.. along with several others recommend him.. well, I have to listen.

Regarding work.. There is one slight advantage.. In Canada, the rate per hour is 35.00 Canadian. In the US it is 70-80.00/hour.

Honestly Picford, This is not bad as I expected to make some changes...

And yes, if you review previous posts.. you declined. No, I don't have the actual quote on hand.. it is there somewhere..

Regarding everything I have offered... salvage.. etc. I was more interested in giving the stuff to formites who would appreciate the stuff than someone, who would pick up Uncas for demolition, and then take advantage of the left overs and make a few dollars.

I may be wrong.. I maybe stupid.. I just maybe nuts..but that is the way I feel.

I have never been in this situation before. I am facing storage fees.. I have tried to interest various organizations to take Uncas for a complete overhaul.. a school.. It is as though I am beating myself to death.. " Well, we might be interested " but.. attitude.

I am not saying you are wrong.. but try to put yourself in my position..
Would you rather give stuff away to someone who could use it or allow who ever to take the boat away to be cut up and have him take the hardware off and sell it for personal gain?

I'm not mad.. I understand where you are coming from but try to put yourself in my place.

[StevenBauer]

Jamie, don't forget the Wooden Boat Rescue Foundation. Lots of boats have been rescued, look at the restoration logs on the website:

www.woodenboatrescue.org

Steven

[uncas]

Steven.. I'm leanring.. It is not mme looking for someone, some organization to take Uncas, as is, it is the organization deciding whether Uncas is worth it.. I have made phone calls out of the pours.. I swear, it was easier to apply for college....

All I get is well, umm, we'll see, will discuss it, we'll give it to a committee... About as hohum as a response as one could get.. It's like they are doing ME a favor.. well, they kinda are but you get my drift.

[uncas]

Gust got some great pictures of the Mason Schooner work.. Very impressive. Norman is gonna post them for me once he receives them..
Those guys in NS seem to do exceptional work...
So, stay tunded..next week for pictures....

[ssor]

Jamie, Don't feel too bad about folks being reluctant to take an old boat as a project. It seems to be the nature of people to want freebe's to be new, shiney, in the box, and labor into install included.
When I remodel a kitchen I can't give a stainless steel sink with a Moen brand faucet attached to any of the charities that repair houses for the needy. But they will ask me for financial support! Go Figure.

[S/V Laura Ellen]

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[paladin]

naw Jamie...you dunno want that...too much work to do...tell me where it is and I'll take care of it...:D

[uncas]

Chuck.. these are not current pics.. about six years old when Airlie was restored. I sense, as future pictures will show, that she is way beyond this stage .... I just thought some people would like to see what actually has been done.. and as far as structure, a lot...
I am waiting for a call from the current owners who should have updated pictures though.. No one.. the broker, or the yard, or me for that matter, knows where they are...
If ya look at the website for the Broker.. Sunnyside Yachts I think and look at what is included, it appears that the interior has also been updated..
It will need to be changed a bit but.. the basics are there... And anything I buy, is gonna have to have some changes made.. especially if I decide.. and I kinda have already, to become a liveaboard.

[uncas]

I have e-mailed the broker again... I am hoping that he will be able to contact the owners as I have had no luck..
For those who looked at the current pictures, read the blurb from the broker. The pictures are or were taken before the rennovation was complete....

[rbgarr]

The helm and aft end of the cockpit look kind of uncomfortable and exposed... but maybe that's foreshortening in the photo? Could it be changed to a tiller?

[uncas]

rbgarr. Kinda agree with you.. but to me this is minor... Major stuff first... Needless tosay, in some ways, I like the openness but your point and my thoughts do jibe.... And I can't see why not.
Saw a Concordia last fall with a wheel. Looked a bit strange but, heck it worked.

[pcford]

Remember that joinerwork is horrifically expensive.

Spring of last year I was working on a crew doing a portion of the inside of a 65 foot Feadship. (Galley, portion of wheelhouse and trim of main salon/saloon). The hit was 15k a week to the owner. It went on for months.

[uncas]

pcford.. two things...
labor in NS is 35.00/hour Canadian...
Second thing.. based on the broker's ad.. a lot has been done that does not show up in the pictures.
I agree with you in part. If I do buy this boat and bring it back to the US to have the work done.. you are very correct.. especially at 75-100.00/hour...

I keep thinking though.. if I change my whole life style.. liveaboard for 12mos/yr. No matter what boat I get, is gonna need something.

I spent a few nights aboard Uncas in Jan. and Feb. Yes, I could take it. Uncas had no heat.. nothing... but I only spent a weekend or two aboard.. I am thinking permanant... I could live with a few days.. could not see myself living aboard in the winter without something..one of those things that need to be changed although I think Airlie has a stove.. based on the pic and the Charley Noble...

[pcford]

pcford.. two things...
labor in NS is 35.00/hour Canadian...
Second thing.. based on the broker's ad.. a lot has been done that does not show up in the pictures.
I agree with you in part. If I do buy this boat and bring it back to the US to have the work done.. you are very correct.. especially at 75-100.00/hour...


Well, I have no idea how much my employer was charging the owner. I was making $40 an hour, so I guess he had to be charging the owner $80-$100.

My point is that even at _half_ price, joinerwork is a pile of dough.

At any rate....good luck Jamie.

[uncas]

Will see pcford.. I have the brker's portfolio.for the sale. I have pictures of the work done from the boatyard.. Heck, at this stage, any work that needs to be done may be minimal...
I am not saying your wrong.. It is like the current election. No one honestly knows until the cards are on the table.
I do know, that if I spent 50-60 grand on Uncas.. all major construction work, I would still have to restructure the cabin for a full time liveaboard.. Seems to come out even....Uncas has no stove.. for heat.. has an icebox.. as in a real one.. has no oven because of space.. has little lighting... has very little for year round living.
I'[m gonna spend money no matter which way I turn or go., I count on that...I'm still going to spend money on joinery

[TomF]

Very pretty pics, Jamie. And it's certainly both instructive and reassuring to see how solidly the work's been done ... and how solidly the boat was originally constructed to be.

I dunno how it works in boat interiors, but in house renovations a big piece of the cost is in the quality of the final surfaces. Granite countertops vs. solid surface vs. laminate. Solid wood floors vs. laminate vs. carpet. In most cases, the labour cost is pretty constant.

There are a bunch of choices you could make, as in a house, to keep construction costs (esp. labour costs) lower ... e.g. mortised closures/locks on cabinets will be a big labour cost, compared with surface mounted. Using bins for some storage will be less expensive than drawers throughout. This won't have an impact on the functionality or attractiveness of the project, but will have an impact on the bottom line.

I wonder, considering that you're thinking seriously about living aboard, whether there could be some ways to insulate the boat to make it more comfortable in the cold. There are some kinds of paint which have radiant reflective capacity, cause they have glass microballoons mixed in. Two coats gives the equivalent of about R12, and might be a great thing to put on the interior before the new cabin furniture's installed. Tom Colvin recommends it for steel boats, over on his website.

t.

[uncas]

TomF.. same questions I have... same page...
I talked to the boatyard as no one has pointed this out.. the pictures were all on the port side.. What was done on the port side was also done on the starboard one..
I'm looking at, or I think I am at least a 70% refit.

Back to the interior... based on the broker's file, the interior is done.. perhaps not up to a liveaboard but done...
Changes are gonna have to be made... I'm against insulation.. water retention..and I think wood is a good insulator to begin with...
Uncas never really got cold.. a bit damp perhaps but never really cold. Granted, not good enough for a liveaboard but then again, Airlie comes with a stove.. not a cooking stove.. note the C Noble on the cabin top...
I sincertely wish the Blythes would contact me.. The guy at the yard said that the boat was or has been on the market for two years.. one minute it is for sale, the next.. well, no, I guess it isn't. The owners have to make up their minds.

[S/V Laura Ellen]

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[uncas]

Thanks muchly Allan....for posting the pictures...
Update on Uncas.. I think I have found a school for Uncas.. more them a hem/haw.response. The school will take him. I'm thrilled about this.. Uncas will be back on the water.... A surveyor is gonna look at him to determine his worth for tax purposes but.. it looks as though it is gonna be a go...
Margo will get the 2 new sails as I think they will fit the concordia. and the auto pillot.. ummm tiller type... not designed for a wheel...
Also am glad that I can do that.. everything else though has to go with the boat....sorry but... no real control.

[S/V Laura Ellen]

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[uncas]

Again.. Big Thanks Allan.....for posting them....
Needless to say, overall, doesn't look bad for 44,000.00 Am.

[MKane]

Uncas,

Based on the relative cost of work between here and NS, I say you truck Uncas north to NS and sail home on the schooner. Leave Uncas in NS with the understanding that you want quality work but you have no time pressure. In 1-2 years your 80-90K job will be done for 30-40K and you will have something worth, ah ... who knows ? Just a thought.

:)

[TomF]

Sweet Jesus, Jamie. Airlie is sooooo pretty. That picture with Airlie on the cradle from the bow quarter almost hurts to look at.

I'm delighted that you're finding a home for Uncas, and that he'll be back swimming again after.

You must have done something awfully good in a past life to get even the chance to own two such gorgeous boats. Envy registered here, I trust.

t.

[uncas]

Tom.. what you have to do is find a beautiful boat owned by an elderly couple who only sailed it to church once a week... :)

[S/V Laura Ellen]

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[uncas]

Ah.. Allan.. was looking for that one.. Thought I had sent it to you.. :)

[mmd]

Here's a tidbit for those of you who are following this saga: Airlie is mentioned several times in Wayne O'Leary's book The Tancook Schooners: An Island and Its Boats. She was originally built by Stanley Mason in 1929 as a centre-board schooner for Steven Alinard, "a well-known Southeast Cove (Tancook Island) fisherman". He named her Green Bow II and used her for twenty years as a swordfishing boat in the lucrative fishery off Cape Breton Island. Alinard was a superstitious fisherman who believed that swordfish would be spooked by the white or bright-coloured topsides of an approaching boat, so he painted his boats a dark colour from the bow back to at least the foremast shrouds, hence the name.

The original Green Bow was one of the few Tancook schooners lost at sea. Alinard was returning from Cape Breton heavily laden with coal when he was caught in a "smokey sou-wester" that caused her to lay her on her side, fill, and sink. The crew escaped in the dory and rowed to the nearby mainland.

In 1949 Green Bow II was rebuilt as a yacht by Howard Mason as his last boatbuilding project. He altered her original lines considerably, lengthening her at both ends (I would have loved to have seen how that was done) and changing her length on deck from 37 feet to 40 feet. She was re-named Sea Way and later Airlie. She is arguably the very last true Tancook schooner built, as subsequent boats were built for the yacht trade rather than the fishery. In O'Leary's book there is a photo of her at her re-launching as Sea Way, and the lines of the original Green Bow.

By the way, Jamie, if you do come to take away this piece of our history, I'd like to take her lines before you put her in the water next spring, OK? I sorta have an unofficial personal project underway about post-war Tancook boats.

[uncas]

mmd.. no problem.. and if ya want to go for a sail.. if this goes through, before I head back to the USA you got that too.
Thanks for the history...

[Ken Hutchins]

Looking for words for all that is happening, but all I can think of is :) :) :) :) :) :)

[uncas]

Ken.. yup..
Still a lot of work to do, a lot of questions to ask...
As an example.. look at that knee in the last picture... Can't quite figure out its function.. doesn't seem to be really attached to anything on the top side.. just stuck in there... I may be missing something here.
Also, as it stands, Airlie, from what I gather.. not confirmed, does not have a water tank.. the deisel tank is only 10 gals.. enough for quite a bit but on long trips in no wind, may not be adequate...Holding tank.. I don't think so.. although there are some heads that don't require them.. gonna have to check out alternatives...
Deck looks okay or did when the pics were taken...
It is gonna be a liveaboard.. gotta think of these things...

And above all, I'm really glad to find a home and a school to take on Uncas as a project... That really makes me very happy...

[sawcutmill]

last time i checked in, Jamie was about to drop off the face of the Earth, now he is posting like every other minute with updates.Go for it ! (but please dont call the new boat "Uncas II", how ghosh.)
Take care of the ship and she will take care of you.good luck.
stephen

[uncas]

sawcut.. no I won't put a 2 next to it... I may keep it as Airlie or even go back to the original name...
Uncas has history for me though and Airlie has a NS history...I can see reasons for going either way.. Being historically minded, makes it even tougher....
And yes, I'm posting a lot here... can't really help it.. This is the wooden boat forum. I realize that some are pulling their hair out..and perhaps don't want to know or want updates... But, if this wasn't a boat forum.. I would not post...:)

[Bill Perkins]

Oh ,you've definitely on the right forum Jamie . The best way to heat a livaboard is to take her South for the Winter .

[pcford]

Hey Jamie,

The schooner is very pretty....glad to see that you have a good solid bite on Uncas.

Write-offs for boat donations have changed in the last couple years. Be sure you have the latest from your attorney or accountant. Seems like the changes rquire the receiving party to keep the boat for at least two years for the donor to get best write-off...but I am not sure.

I am not sure that I understand every step of the logical process that bought you to this point but it sure seems that it is heading for a sound conclusion. All's well that ends well.

[uncas]

pcford.. right on having to keep the boat for two years.. A Bloger was just donated to the same group/school.. The organization has to keep it on the books for yup.. two years...
Of course, I am looking at the Bolger but it is not at the top of the list.. someone else was though and told the guy.( forumite ).about this twqo year stipulation.

[Stiletto]

Jamie, It seems you have all but made the decision.
From that nice photo of her on the slip she looks to draw about 4feet. Would that be right?

Bill Perkins idea of taking her south for the winter sounds like a good idea to me.

I am glad you have found a home for Uncas.
Keep posting, I'm enjoying this!

[mmd]

"look at that knee in the last picture... Can't quite figure out its function.. doesn't seem to be really attached to anything on the top side.. just stuck in there... " uncas

I think if you put your "younger eyes" on and look closely you'll notice that it is let in to a chamfer in the sternpost. It would be drifted or through-bolted to the sternpost and the keel/deadwood assembly then dubbed with an adze to fair it in to accept the frames & planks. Looks like a grown knee, too.

[StevenBauer]

Our visit to Heisler's shop two summers ago was really fun. Stuff like this planer:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid180/pc5d5b1bdcc6011ec0e55b8e19ff6a5c9/f2f9f0c8.jpg

They have a website now, too:

www.heislerboatbuilding.com

Well worth a visit. :)

Steven

[uncas]

Stiletto... actually a but over five feet.. just about what Uncas was...And I have not made up my mind yet.... Still a lot to think about..
Did ask the broker yesterday about a tax on a boat bought in Canada and taken to the US.. no export tax.. just the usual sales tax in the state where the home port is.. There will be a fee of about 100.00 at the border.. not sure how that woirks but the amount is minimal.
Head south in the winter.. scheduling that....although Hwyl found a job description for a job opening in ME which kinda interests me... :)
Deadline in late Nov.. for that.. am thinking about dusting off my resume...
But then again...
Steven thanks for the web site...info..

mmd Okay, put the specs on.. I see what you are talking about here... Actually, I enlarged the picture a bit... Getting older...!!

[rbgarr]

Update on Uncas.. I think I have found a school for Uncas.. more them a hem/haw.response. The school will take him. I'm thrilled about this.. Uncas will be back on the water.... A surveyor is gonna look at him to determine his worth for tax purposes but.. it looks as though it is gonna be a go...
Margo will get the 2 new sails as I think they will fit the concordia. and the auto pillot.. ummm tiller type... not designed for a wheel...
Also am glad that I can do that.. everything else though has to go with the boat....sorry but... no real control.

That's great news and I hope UNCAS does well by the organization she goes to.

I was one of the 'vultures' referred to by pcford when UNCAS was under consideration for being broken up. I stopped to look at her and saw the extensive repairs she needed and took pictures of her. I then offered to help with the dismantling, if he decided to go ahead with that, and listed about twenty items of her equipment that I could use, where and how.

I was once in the position Jamie (sp?) finds himself in and only started realizing how difficult it would be to dismantle my boat when faced with the actual decision point. Like Jamie, I too decided to NOT part the boat out and it got me off the dime about looking to the future and considering what to actually DO rather than dither away as I had been doing.

Jamie seems to be moving on in new directions too, and I wish him luck with the journey. :)

[uncas]

One step at a time.. I talked to Mrs. Blythe tonight.. Expected long converastion wuth Mr. Blythe tomrrow at this same time..

Last update... a bit boring.. but just to say that I'm on top of this.

[uncas]

Uncas is most likely going to Rockland ME. , to a boat school, within a couple of weeks...
More to follow

[Mrleft8]

Must be nice...

[Jeremy Burnett]

It pays to approach the purchase of an elderly wooden boat with a sceptics eye. She looks nice and we have heard of interior layouts etc,but what about the basics, the bedrock on which the future lies.
What(wood) is she built of ? What are the fastenings? What are the floors made of? Keel bolts,material and when last pulled for inspection? Is the deck teak on ply or solid teak? (or other wood). When was she last surveyed? Have you seen a copy? Bud McIntosh said the most desirable quality in a wooden boat was "Youth" I would want to know the answers before travelling too far.

[uncas]

Jeremy..
I think I can answer most of these questions fairly easily..
stem, ribs oak.. planking pine.. 80% replaced late 1990's
New keel, hence new keel bolts same time.Engine Volvo.. maintained every year.
Material.. of the bolts.. now that I'm not sure.. nor am I sure of the size of the fastenings... I'll ask... but it has been refastened
Boat has been out of the water for several years...under cover.
There is a survey but will be having one done early next week. Current owners have given me permission to do that.
Teak decks which I am asking the surveyor to pay special attention to. Canvas cabin top another item I am having the surveyor go over really well. There is a survey but it is more than four years old I suspect.
interior, pine...
Head new as of 6 yrs. ago...

I am very confident in the yard that did the work.I have a good sense that he would not " cut corners " or do something in the restoration that was not correct.. Those on the forum from NS, have said a lot of great things about Cecit as a persopn and a boat builder...

I think the easiest is to look at the pictures posted... I'm fairly confident about the types of wood... but I could be wrong... Someone oput there will know at a glance.

so.. next
Survey
If all goes well
a trip to ME. to Uncas and then NS. Sometime between now and Christmas. I might be giving myself a very nice birthday/christmas present.. :)

[Jeremy Burnett]

Make sure your surveyor carefully checks the floors (wood or metal) mast steps etc.The whole business of wooden boat longevity is usually related to the backbone structure.Is the keel lead or iron? I'll shut up now.Hope it all goes well.

[uncas]

Jeremy..
No.. questions are good.. Gives me something to specifically ask the surveyor....If I don't ask or request him specifically to cxheck certain things out, he may not.... Fair questions are more than fine..
I'll try to get more info after the report.. and post them.
However, it seems I may be heading to NS... later this year. As it is, I figure I'm 1300 miles away....

[mmd]

If you fly in, let me know. A pick-up at the airport isn't a biggie, and we can work out some ground transportation options when you're here. The spare room is available, too, but from what I've heard here on the Forum we might make you cook in lieu of rent. <grin>

[uncas]

mmd.. Believe it or not, I think I'll be driving.. I've got a lot of stuff on Uncas I have to get off. Uncas maybe in Rockalnd, Me. by the time I get up ( down east )... So, just another day from there.
I appreciate the offers though.. I'd like to catch up with you and say howdy...
I'll let you know when I know the plans... You want to take some measurements anyway...

[uncas]

Okay survey is scheduled....Asked the surveyor to pay particular attention to the deck, the cabin top, wiring, and masts.The restoration work also but I sense that this would be at the bottom of my concerns...... Also requested that he take a lot of pictures of the interior so I know what I am dealing with regarding space to work with. Will of course post them... at least make an effort to do so.
Airlie is basically a shell.. a lot of options..
As a trip to NS is next provided the survey goes well, I want to have some plans in hand to discuss with Mr. Heisler...

[mmd]

Jamie. if you are planning to come up here at the end of November - beginning of December, be prepared to drive in snow. Currently we are snow-free and relatively warm (low thirties overnight, mid- to high forties daytime) but that can change in a heartbeat, especially through New Brunswick and into the north-western area of NS. Make sure you have at least all-season tires, if not winters. If it is messy, you might want to spend a hundred bucks and take the ferry from Saint John, New Brunswick to Digby, Nova Scotia http://www.bayferries.com/route_schedule/ and drive across the province between Annapolis Royal and Bridgewater. It doesn't save you any great amount of time, but it cuts down on a lot of miles and allows you to avoid some nasty spots in the route, such as the Cobequid Pass which is infamous for its horrible winter conditions. For a "southrun feller" who possibly isn't adept at driving in our unique environment, it might take a bit of stress out of the trip.

Also, and not to take anything away from Cecil's excellent work, if you would like to talk to a couple of other boatbuilders in the area who would be good to see about interior work, I can do some introductions for you. This would require the boat staying in NS for a few weeks after launch 'cause it wouldn't be kosher to send another boatbuilder into Cecil's yard to do the work.

[Doug Wood]

You should think about attending the survey if you can.

[uncas]

mmd.. I will look into the ferry.. I have checked into the ones from ME. and they don't run.. or I am missing something.
Regarding weather.. I'm a yankee.. and am used to it.. have new tires etc..subaru.. I may live in MD now and I can understand what you are saying.. I think.. hope, I'll be alright..... Still will look into the ferry though.. Cutting corners and planning for the worst scenerio is good..
Let me wait for the survey.. I'll pm you.re: rest of your post.......Early Dec. is the best I can do...

Doug.. would be a fine idea.. I have a few obligations scattered around here and NE and NS.. I'll be happy if I can make it down to Mahone Bay in earlyDec... Too much to go into here but believe me, the sooner I can get there the better. It's funny I ain't married but the number of strings attached to me are there in large numbers....may as well be...

[uncas]

Uncas is going to Maine on Friday... Survey on Wednesday...
Have to pay for the survey.. tax deductable.. wow... and I have to pay 50% of the haul...

[Nanoose]

Things are just ticking along, aren't they, Uncas. Good. Feels good.

First, Uncas to a good home, then on to Uncas II. Well done!

[uncas]

Nanoose yup.. gonna get married again.. My last better half is I think taken care of.... I hope so... the new one.. well, maybe....The eggs don't hatch right away.
Will see.....
Now if I can only figure out how to deal with the rest of my life....

[paladin]

just supposin you end up with the skoooner, whatcha gonna name it...?

[Lew Barrett]

just supposin you end up with the skoooner, whatcha gonna name it...?

Chingnutchcook seems fitting but is terrible to say fast 3 times on Channel 16.

[uncas]

Lew... umm, I have enough trouble explaining Uncas.. muchless how to pronounce his father's name..and then explain it... Also the name won't fit on the transom unless you have a magnifying glass...

Chuck.. a quandry.. if there ever was one. She has a history.. a long one in NS as Airlie.. I have a history with Uncas and Cooperstown. I may name the dink Uncas and keep Airlie...
Stop it.. I can't take these decisions... but they will have to be made.. one step at a time folks.. one step at a time.

What really concerns me is the price is TOO SWEAT! I keep thinking I'm missing something...Things like this just don't happen....in real life...

[uncas]

This is finally coming together I think..
Uncas:
Going to Maine Friday.. paperwork in hand.. All I have to do is figure out how to spread the deduction over say five years....as it is, my tax bill/yr. has been under 900.00 I need to spread this out...
Crockers is being nice enough to take everything off the boat.. a cost but I just can't be there in two or three days. I used to laugh when the last boatyard I was in had to empty someone's ice box.. I ain't laughing at the moment.. This is positively nuts....
Will be paying for Uncas' survey.. whooppeee The surveyor charges an arm and a well. ya know.... 680.00 deductible
I am paying for half of the amount to haul him to ME. another whopping tax deduction... another 600.00
Cecil is going to send me measurements of the cabin. Surveyor is gonna take pictures..
With the all clear from there, I'll be heading way downeast on or about Dec. 3rd...
God, I hate logisitcs...

Airlei.. survey to be done tomorrow.. measurements of the cabin, C4ecil said he would do.. expecting pictures

[Hwyl]

I'm an hour and a half from Crockers. Let me know if you need help.

[uncas]

Hwyl.. thanks for the offer... I just can't be there... and I don't want the stuff to end up in maine at some location, somewhere...
I talked to Sam at Crockers.. I told him not to go overboard at 70.00/hour to clean the stuff out... My God!
I feel as though I am being rushed and I can not combine everything that needs to be done in one trip.. I was planning to do that in early Dec.
I appreciate the offer...I just don't know... I don't know if Sam will take everything off. I am hoping to get the entire auto pilot off for Margo.... as an example...
The sails are in storage at umm Hood?.... Margo gets two brand spanking new ones as I think they will fit a Concordia.

Thwere is nothing anyone can do really but I appreciate the offer....I am gonna have to rely on the boatyard to do it right...

[reddog]

Jamie;
I have sent a PM regarding your forthcoming trip up this way to have a gander at Airlie.Let me know if I can be of any assistance.

Earl

[uncas]

reddog.. pm'd you back..
It would be fun to get together with you and Michael... By the time I leave here, I'll have some plans for the interior done.. Cecil said he would take measurements of the interior and the surveyor is gonna take pictures... so I will have something to work with and some thoughts on paper made up.. It would be a plus for me to bounce ideas off you two...
And then, talk to Cecil about the hard stuff...$....

edited to add... we can talk about other things too :) Boats....boats...umm what ever....

[Ken Hutchins]

Jamie, I'm available if you need help, also we have room if you need a place to rest on the trip.

[uncas]

Thanks Ken.. I'd like to stop by even for a few minutes to look at Tally Ho....
As far as the stuff, I talked to Sam this morning.. He knows I'm being crunched because of this time glitch. I think he will do right by me...
I must say, I felt stupid asking someone else to clean out my boat....which I was not expecting to do within a week of my initial conversation with Mr. Harris... I figured I had time...to do it myself...
I mean, this is nuts. One of the things that used to amaze me at the Hinckley Yard.. was seeing owners having the yard take everything off a boat because the owners were too lazy to do it themselves.. This even included the ice box...
I used to laugh a lot about that.. I guess I'm not laughing as much today... of course, there are mitigating circumstances.

[rbgarr]

Maybe we could raise a cup of coffee. Lots of us in the area--- a EBS maybe

If there's coffee or an EBS, can I come? I've only been to one and need another fix. Will bring pictures of a Herreshoff mystery project (small boat) I'm "working on". :D

[rbgarr]

That's weird. A post I just sent in response to Gareth's #104 was inserted out of order at #95.

Edited to add: And now this one comes in at #96! What gives? :confused:

[StevenBauer]

Jamie, I'm two hours from Crockers and you have a place to stay here, too, if you need one. We're right by the highway. Actually, we're exactly halfway between Crockers and Rockland. :)

Steven

[uncas]

Steven.. umm, was gonna chat with you about that....when I was better organized.. Thanks....

[Ken Hutchins]

On the news a few days ago, gonna need passport for travel to Canada after the first of the year. I just checked mine, oops expired.:o

[Mrleft8]

I still say yer nuts. Not only nuts, but a cowardly nuts. Uncas needs you, and you abandon him like a worn out mule? SHAME ON YOU!

[Paul Girouard]

I still say yer nuts. Not only nuts, but a cowardly nuts. Uncas needs you, and you abandon him like a worn out mule? SHAME ON YOU!

Humm I though you where dropping out of this thread Lefty:rolleyes: :D


BTW I agree with ya;)

[Mrleft8]

I lie occasionally....

[StevenBauer]

Ken. I thought the passport thing started in 2009.

Steven

[Mrleft8]

Starts sometime stupid like January 10...

[Hwyl]

Steven.. umm, was gonna chat with you about that....when I was better organized.. Thanks....

Maybe we could raise a cup of coffee. Lots of us in the area--- a EBS maybe

[StevenBauer]

Here's where I got the 2009 idea:


Driver's licence scanners proposed by Washington governor
Last Updated: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 | 2:26 PM ET
CBC News

The governor of Washington state has asked the U.S. Department of Homeland Security for permission to try an alternative to passports at two major Canada-U.S. border crossings.

Christine Gregoire has proposed that handheld driver's licence scanners be tried for a three-month test program at the Blaine border crossing south of Vancouver and at the Port Angeles border crossing south of Victoria.

The wireless scanners, which cost $10,000 each, scan the bar code on the back of licences, checking for fakes and whether the driver is on any security watch lists.

Gregoire said she hopes that the trial would dissuade the U.S. government from going ahead with its requirement for passports or other high-tech ID cards for Americans and Canadians at all border crossings by the summer of 2009.

Until now, a driver's licence has been all that's required.

She said residents of Washington state and B.C. have a "long history of friendship" and are used to greater flexibility in getting across the border.

[uncas]

Doug.. only sane people are nuts for being sane.. If we weren't nuts... we would all own clorox bottles... Only people who are nuts are happy for the most part.

Doug seriously, Uncas is gonna float again.. not soon... big project...Better to go to a school than be chopped up...

Ummm.. EBS.. now that is a possibility.. It's time for one....umm anywhere on the Maine coast.. at least as far east as Rockland...

Passports... umm...mine expired years ago...I need to check on this... Not for the Dec. trip but for say early May...

[reddog]

I think you will find the passport requirement is to get back into the US from Canada.It would be prudent to check with Canada Immigration to be on the safe side but if you are bringing cash to spend you should be let in.Just don't bring guns or explosives. ;)

Earl

[uncas]

Earl.. just plastic money.. LOL

[mmd]

Mrleft8, your opinion has been heard and duly noted. Uncas has made his decision and moved on; possibly you could do the same?

BTW, how is that furniture building school in Tobago you started up going?

[bamamick]

You never know when some young thing might want to whisk you away to St.Tropez, or heck, you might want to take 'Airlie' on the trip of a lifetime.

Go get the form from the post office (you can probably get it on-line). Send your old passport and $60. You'll have a new one in a couple of weeks.

I have to tell you that you have been an inspiration to me. I have spent way too much money on boats in my lifetime. My wife and kids deny it, but I am sure that there is something that they have sacrificed so that I could sail. But damn it, we have been blessed with a chance to do something other than slave away spending our lives doing nothing but drudge work (and don't get me wrong, I have worked in a chemical plant for 25 years) and it is a sin to not take advantage of that fact.

I always wanted to be a sailor. From the time when I was just a young kid and my dad gave me 'Mutiny on the Bounty' and 'Lord Jim' to read I have wanted to sail. And I have. Maybe not in the way that those guys did it, but I have had my butt wet more times than anyone could ever count. You have done me a great favor in showing me that my best years, at least some good years, are still ahead of me. I still want to get that world-class Dragon I have dreamt of. I still want to travel to Europe to sail. I still want to hitch a ride on a meter boat with a certain poster hereabouts :). And I still want to drag my little Finn all over the country. Been a little down in the dumps lately with problems at work and the onset of winter, but it is so good to read your excitement in these posts and dream along with you of the possibilities of your new boat and the things you'll do with her.

Thanks, Jamie.

Mickey Lake

[uncas]

Thanks Mickey.. I appreciate the post.. Most people, as Doug inferred think I'm nuts...
I have come to the conclusion as I enter middle age.. ya can't take it with you and ya gotta dream... If ya don't dream, well, you are stuck.. whether it is sailing a dragon or a 40' boat.... When one stops dreaming, one is ready for a six foot by three foot hole in the ground...
My father, when I bought Uncas sent me an e-mail.. a one liner.. of course he was well in his eighties.. It read " Dear Jamie, You are NUTS.! love dad" I have it framed... Of course I e-mailed him back and wrote.. " Dear Skipper, the nut doesn't fall too far from the tree! love Grod... ( now Grod is an entirely different story... won't go there as Doug would love it... )
So keep dreaming......

pss. as you probably know, my father ran a maritime museum for almost 18 years.. He knew about wooden boats.. LOL

[Mrleft8]

Mrleft8, your opinion has been heard and duly noted. Uncas has made his decision and moved on; possibly you could do the same?

BTW, how is that furniture building school in Tobago you started up going? I've moved on Mssr. Mason.
The school....Ah yes... Well, It's there. The govt. is now complaining that they need to import foreign "skilled labor" because there aren't enough skilled tradesmen on Tobago. When I bring to their attention that I have been offering to train Tobagonians for the last 3 years, there is a confused silence, and then the inevitable "I will have to check on this, when will you be coming back down?" To which I reply: "When you guys find me a building to work out of. I can't run a training program out of a rusty, leaky shack."
So as of right now the program is officially implemented, but for practical purposes in "a holding pattern over Newark".... Thanks for asking!

[uncas]

Had a chance to chat with the surveyor today..
Good news.. well, there is some/....
However, bad news...

Toerails have to be taken off as there is rot under them.. Without the actual survey in hand.. I'm writing off the cuff...
Corner post foreward/port rotten.. needs to be replaced...
Rotten beam and support to the foreward mast opening... tech name?
soft spot on aft deck

est.. rough.. not in writing 20,000 grand Am...

Still possible.. still going east to look.. Does not include interior work.another say 15 grand...... May require some discussion on price though...with the owners...

Sam called. Uncas is cleaned out.. Suggested I bring a U-haul... Margo gets her auto pilot... in Dec. once I pick it up...

So.. onward...

[TomF]

damn damn ....

[uncas]

TomF.. it just means I have to make an offer.. if accepted, so be it...
It is not insurmountable.... Just a glitch....
Friom what I gather though, the toerails have to be done.. water seeping sown is starting to effect the work that has been done on the hull. Not good...

[reddog]

Jamie;
Did the survey mention the type of oak used in the planking and framing? Red oak is common to this area while white is not.It would have had to have been spec'ed in the repair and imported.Just a thought.

Earl

[uncas]

Earl... the actual survey might.. This was just based on a phone conversation.. The hard copy/details will be sent to me.. I think he mailed it today.. So can't answer your question... yet!

[rbgarr]

Just for counterpoint, read "The Boat Who Wouldn't Float" before or during your trip to the Maritimes. Farley Mowat wrote it about a wooden schooner he owned at one point.

[uncas]

Dave.. second person who has suggested this.. I've read it.. but I think I need to reread it...

[uncas]

Well, looking at the schedule..leaving here the first Monday after T'day... First stop.. CT... then Crockers.... then onward towards Rockland via a stop to see tally ho Ken et al..., and then, Steven and crowd in Portland..
Drop some stuff off at Roclalnd for Uncas.. then NS...
Return trip kinda a repeat unless there is a EBS being planned...

Steven, I'll give you a call next week... Love to catch up...

[uncas]

Well, don't have to go to Rockland... somewhat packed.. Even my kilt so I can crash the Christmas Party at the Yaaaacht Cluuub...on the 15th...
Should be fun........
So, still leaving Monday.. umm.... Hope the weather holds... LOL

All I can say is some nice Canadian Folks will hopefully join me in looking at Airlie....I'm looking foreward to their opinions and suggestions very much.. and then, hopefully, we will have an EBS to discuss.. whatever.not even the boat. The intent of that is to have a good time. Also several have offered me and oh yes, C'dog .a room, a dinner.. etc.. ..Greatly appreciated....I'm looking to both opportunities as a chance to hopefully find a new boat.. well old one.. and meet other formiutes at the same time. What could be better than that?

[Thad Van Gilder]

Jamie,
you coming through Jersey on the way home?

I am right off the Parkway by Atlantic City. There's some beer in it for you if you make a stop...

-Thad

[Thad Van Gilder]

Oh yeah, and I can get you a berth for the night.

-Thad

[uncas]

Thad.. I'd like that.. I don't know about the return trip yet... Send me a pm so I can call ya.. I'm writing most down before I leave.. and I still have a cell phone...
I'll bring the vino if it works...

[Thad Van Gilder]

okay, sent you my info.

-Thad

[Mrleft8]

Canadian vino? (RETCH!) Prolly goes good with bacon though.....;)

[S/V Laura Ellen]

Canadian vino? (RETCH!) Prolly goes good with bacon though.....;)

Some pretty good Canadian wines from Ontario and BC, you would probably be impressed if you gave them a try. As in most cases the best wines aren't exported, only the crap is.

[reddog]

Jamie;
We'll look forward to meeting you, keep in touch. And by the way Nova Scotia, too, has some world class wines.

Earl

[uncas]

Talked to Cecil today.. He's making reservations for me.. Not sure whether it is a B&B.. for Thursday and Frid.. min...
He also said that it was about 12 hours drive from Portland...
As I sit here and look at logistics... 8 hours to Manchester MA...the day is shot.. gotta pick through the stuff at Crockers.. Will find a pup friendly place near there..Tues.. Ken, I know ya work.. umm... maybe the trip back.. but if ya ain't... a stop to see you et al and of course Tally Ho.. then to Portland... to bug folks there... Steven.. I'll pm ya but if you know of a pup friendly hotel in the Portland area.. that would be good.. I figure an evening on the town.. with Steven as guide.. sort of an EBS...
Then early start....Wednesday.. break the trip somewhere.I'm too old to jam 12 hours in a day.. and I am gonna look for some bagpipes... :) . and show up in Mahone Bay.. umm Thursday AM..
Sounds good on paper.. reality.. well... always a glitch..

Way back.. a lot of kind invites.Dave in Boothbay.. well close to there.. Thad in NJ.. a few others.. All very nice and appreciated..... and I won't be in such a rush.. no deadlines.well, if I want to crash the Yaaaacht Cluuuub Christmas Dinner in my kilt.. I suppose there is one deadline... :) Gotta liven up the old men in their blazers.. :) and club ties.. Think I can do that without blinking an eyelash.....I'd love to catch up with everyone one way t'other......
See ya though when I get up there.. I've got your numbers...

Gotta remember, the last time I was on the hard in NS was in the back of a pickup driven by 600 pounds of Mickmac.. who picked me up hitch hicking from the Halifax Race to Maine.. Didn't see much.. except.. a blueberry rake and a buzz saw...Another long story.... LOL

[StevenBauer]

Jamie, you can check some of the online sites for traveling with pets. One is www.dogfriendly.com
We found a hotel in Frederickton that let us bring Russel Stover when we drove to Mahone Bay. It is almost exactly halfway from here to MB. Tom could show you around there maybe. :)

Steven

[Ken Hutchins]

Jamie, I'm on a real short work schedule at the store, only 1 day past 3 weeks, so I'm usually here doing the good work. Give me a call when you are in Mass. if we don't get together when you are north bound the return trip is ok.

[mmd]

Well, ever the salesman for my part of the world, I'd suggest that an extra day in NS would be good for your soul. Saturday morning would be ideal for a start on one of my patent-pending South Shore Boatyard Tours, with stops at several small shops of both traditional and googe flavours whose proprietors have not yet grasped the concept of five-day work weeks. Interspersed could be strolls on long white sand beaches to get the cobwebs and creaks out of both old legs and young dogs, and maybe if we time it well, a lunch at the Lahave Bakery after crossing the Lahave River on the cable ferry. After such strenuous activity, a brief rest period to refresh, recharge, and possibly to powernap would be in order. Saturday evening would be a fine time for an EBS with Reddog, HR, mmd, and several more Forumites at maybe the Mug 'n' Anchor in Mahone Bay, or The Knot in Lunenburg. That'll see you on your way on Sunday in proper frame of mind and with appropriate memories!

[rbgarr]

http://tinyurl.com/yevyxp

Just listed by Brooklin Boatyard: 36', wood, keel/centerboard, Great Lakes Class sloop. Lots of light below decks, Burr Brother built (1960), $15K in Dover Foxcroft, Maine (not too far out of your way on return trip from Canada: 30 miles off I-95).

[uncas]

mmd.. sounds dangerous... I'll be sure to pay off my credit cards before I leave.. :)
Dave.. umm.. looks good.. but 15,000? Something's wrong... I liked the comment from the owner.. sailing condition but the new owner might like to do a little ( work )...Wonder what that means? Heck, It seems to fit into my travels though...
Ken.. I'll give you a shout...from MA...

[TomF]

Canadian vino? (RETCH!) Prolly goes good with bacon though.....;)Hey there! My sister married a grape grower in Niagara, and wines made from their grapes have been winning medals 'round the world. I'd drink more of it, if I could afford it.

Now, Canadian wine from the mid 70s was a different thing altogether ... blech indeed.:D

[uncas]

Let me guess Tom.. Your brother-in-law brings a bottle of wine over when invited for din din.... :)

[TomF]

Let me guess Tom.. Your brother-in-law brings a bottle of wine over when invited for din din.... :)He would ... but it's a long long drive from Fredericton to Niagara.

Jamie, I saw Steve Bauer's note above, about finding a dog-friendly place in Fredericton. It's more direct for you to drive from Calais ME along the Fundy coast to Saint John, rather than toodle up towards Fredericton - but you'd be very welcome. My wife's allergy troubles would mean that your faithful mutt wouldn't be able to stay with us ... but we could certainly help find lodgings for you both. Send me a pm if you are interested - though I'd certainly understand if you just want to get through the most efficient way.

t.

[uncas]

TomF

Thanks.. I was gonna take take Rte 9 from Bangor..( the route you mentioned. ).. Thank the lord for road maps and the internet...and common sense....and past experience...
No need to worry... I'm an independent cuss but I thank ya...
Have a good weekend... well week..

[Stari27]

Jamie, I drive to St. John each year on my way to Yarmouth. Take the Digby Ferry. It is much nicer to be on the water than driving, and you will have 3 or 4 lanes into halifax. Also you will need either a passport or a birth certificate. It used to be OK with a drivers license but I got hasseled once. The majority of the road from Bangor is a good two lane and about 25 miles of 4 lane in NB. If you need to stay in St. John this is a good clead place and they alow pets.
--Admiral's Quay Motel, B.B. & Suites
Bay of Fundy view. Overlooking 243 ha (600 acre) Nature Park. En route to Digby ferry. Private baths, entrances, patios. Whirlpool tub in suite.

Contact Information
Phone Number : 506 672-1125
Toll Free Number : 1 888 612-4244
Fax Number : 506 672-1125 *51
Email Address : admirals_quay@excite.com

Web Site : http://www.admiralsquay.com

[uncas]

Thanks.. Good info on lodging.. Of course, my passport expired.. my birth cert. is hopefully at Crockers.. had it on the boat as I was planning on going to NS last summer.. Hope I can find it.. Damn.. I am fairly confident that Crockers took all of my stuff off... a matter of looking for it...and finding it....Got an old Federal ID from the USGS.. which may work too.. has a picture on it... I'll take it along as well. To get it, had to show proof of residency/etc.. as well.
Again, thanks...

How about an old draft card? :)

ps.. called the number.. they were kinda rude.. No availablity though even next week...

[uncas]

SURVEY REPORT


Client #: 1101.

Date of survey: November 15, 2006. Date of report: November 21, 2006.

To: James Johnston, 200 Bay Street, Berlin, MD, 21811.

Subject: Condition survey of sailing vessel AIRLIE.

Time on vessel: 7.0 hours.

Location of survey: Heislers Boat Yard, Giffords Island, Nova Scotia.

Vessel model: TANCOOK WHALER 40. Year: 1929.

Type of survey: Hauled. Mast: Stored.

Construction material: Pine on oak.

Motive power: Inboard diesel.

Plate information: Name: AIRLIE.
Big Tancook Island Schooner.
Built by Stan Mason.
Tancook Island, NS, 1929.
Rebuilt by Clarence R. Heisler & Son Ltd.
Indian Point, NS, 1995.
(Tonnage carving not readable).

Miscellaneous dimensions: L.W.L.: 31.5’. L.O.D.: 40’

L.O.A.: 45’. Depth: 3’9”.

Displacement and ballast not known.

Major rebuilds: 1995. Presently laid up: Yes (2 years).

Supports: Block and frame. Navigational limits: Coastal waters.

General use: Recreation, racing. Present port: Giffords Island, NS.

General appearance: Blue hull, wood rub rail, bright wood bow sprit and transom, white bootline, red bottom. Teak deck, bright wood coamings, white cabin sides, cream cabin top and cockpit, single level cabin with ports. Five stanchions per side with double lines. Bulwarks. Name on bows. Name, Big Tancook Island, NS, on transom.

Schooner style hull with outwardly curved bow with considerable overhang, round bilges, flat modified wine glass transom with counter full keel, supported rudder.

Bottom details: Port: Speed wheel midship – works, collar – water intake – keel drains aft quarter. Starboard: Two collars aft fore quarter, transducer midship, vent aft quarter. Above water line: Two bronze collars aft quarter. All secure.

Keel: Lightly cutaway ferrous ballast keel. Tail wood six feet in length. No damage.

Rudder: Supported wood on double supported stock. Wood and supports solid.

Paint coats: All good condition – rail to keel.

Hardware: Two-blade fixed propeller 16 x 12 RH. Nut and pin good. Outside stuffing box. Zincs on shaft and box.
Hull from deck level to keel in good condition. Seams tight, butts close. No evidence of fastener sickness. Other details of relatively recent repairs: Planks replaced where necessary, new keel, new shear clamps, new knees and deadwood, part of stern post new. (Heisler). Some deck beams built by Heisler. Deck and rails renewed by Covey Island Boat Works. Not new – stem, transom. Hull needs little or no work.
Brief description of deck: Three stainless cables on 5’ bright wood sprit. Samson post with bronze rod at end of sprit. Folder anchor with 3/8” chain and ¾” twisted rode. Surrounding bulwark 4.5” in height. Chain pipe. Butterfly hatch on foredeck 24 x 24 inches. Mast aperture front of cabin. Two circular lighting ports front cabin face. Four metal frame windows each cabin side. Two stainless dorade cowls foreward cabin. Wood handrails. Wood center support. Butterfly mid cabin top. 34 x 26 inches. Boom travel rod. Wood slider and closure for companionway. Five stanchions with double lines per side (bronze). Lines are soft, not wire. Mast aperture at head of slider. Two triple wood eye blocks each side for aft mast. Same for fore mast. Fuel fill port mid deck. Stainless stack port cabin top. Solid wood coamings each cockpit side. Cabin of pine with laid cloth top (painted). Bell starboard cabin face. Datamarine instrument on port face. Double cleats outside each foreward coaming area. Compass on pedestal fore cockpit. Locker and seat each cockpit side with teak lids. Standard Volvo panel and single control handle in cockpit. Cleat at aft end of each coaming. Two samson posts plus traveller, blocks and lines on aft deck. Flag socket. No coaming on aft cockpit edge. Boxed gear steering with 28” wooden wheel. Boat hook.

Water applied to cabin top and deck. Top covering does not appear to leak.
Problems: Hull-deck seam is leaking. This is staining and rotting certain interior wood areas. Bulwarks or rails are loose and should be replaced. Stanchions attached to the rails are also loose. Front cabin face needs replacement. Interior wood rot from this on starboard side is very obvious. This is directly over the toilet in section two. Teak seams need refilling in miscellaneous places. Base of cabin side at port deck level has some leaking. Water staining from deck seam is causing extensive staining on starboard interiors in galley compartment. Supporting beam at foot of companionway is soft. Boatyard should supply you with an estimate for these repairs. Note: Present deck edges hold water because the drain holes are too high. Foreward mast aperture has rot in the surrounding wood.
Mast: Masts and booms stacked in shed at some height. As best can be seen these articles appear in good condition.
Foreward compartment is 90” long, greatest width aft 82”, height aft 38”, height foreward 21”. No use other than for lines, fenders and other miscellaneous storage.
Compartment 2: 33” long, 84” wide foreward, 96” wide aft, 56” in height. Starboard side occupied by toilet and sink stand, two storage shelves to port, ballast and toilet valves in bilge. No space for tanks, etc.
Compartment 3: 76” long, 114” wide, height 64”. Berth and seat each side. Table center sole. Each berth is 76” long by 27” wide by 20” deep. Each seat is 76” long, 12” wide, 14” deep. Starboard side has space for one or two tanks. Port side contains fuel tank which is 33 x 14 x 9 inches shaped to hull.
Compartment 4: 51” long, 112” wide, 68” high. Companionway at aft end. Contains stairway and access to engine compartment aft. Port side has counter with sink – single stainless with manual water. Storage under sink. Shelf space in port engine area. Wall rack. Solid fuel stove with protective tiles. Mast aperture and step. Cavity behind stove 25” long, 20” wide, 18” deep. Quarterberth to starboard with space under 78” long, 35” wide, average depth of 15”. This area would hold a tank and a refrigerated cooler. The common interior trim is pine.
Miscellaneous note:
Volvo Penta 2000 three-cylinder raw water cooled diesel on steel beds. Some rust on engine but is said to be operable. Loop in water line. Rubber and copper fuel lines with filter. Battery not present. Double battery switch. Raw water filter. Shutoff in fuel line. Belt and hoses reasonable quality. Rubber and steel exhaust.
Other items found: Handle for bilge pump, seven stored battens, no electronics, horn, panel with eight switch-fuse, voltmeter, Danforth anchor, various lines, two life jackets, fender board.

Value: $60,000.00 to $65,000.00 Canadian funds.

This report is submitted in good faith and constitutes a description of the condition of the vessel as then found. This report does not warrant, expressly or implied, or guarantee the condition of the above vessel. No destructive actions were carried out during the inspection process. With payment for this survey report, the person authorizing same shall presume no further liability on the part of the surveyor.

[py]

Its gonna be interesting to read what those with knowledge have to say about that as a survey report. To me it looks like its been done by someone with a good knowledge of fibreglass boats. And there's nothing in it that anyone with a passing knowledge of wooden boats couldn't have found out for himslef in an hour or two. I can't count the number of times I've seen on this board the "get a survey" mantra. I suspect the trick is to get a worthwhile survey. My 2c.
PS Is it OK to publish a survey report on the web?

[uncas]

py.. good question.. I would say I own it.. as I commisioned it...
Soeone out there might know.. I don't... I did say I would post it so I did...I ceertainly would have to give ins. companies the report.. or their agents.. The WBF is an agent.. :)

[Nanoose]

You own the survey, Jamie. You can do with it as you want.

[uncas]

Nanoose.. that is what I figured.. but I ain't a lawyer...

[Stari27]

Jamie, soory they sounded rude, they were very hospitable to SWMBO and me and 4 dogs and two cats. Hmm, I will have to check it out again.
PetrB