Ok you vintage yacht boffins.. name this boat please

[John B]

This photo is a puzzle and we're discussing it here in NZ.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid218/pa873b2f79c3e218f6d81dd275a3be60e/ec39a596.jpg
I think it has the NGH stamp to it. It looks very NY30 or predecessor to me but the high peak/gunter is a bit out of character. An experiment perhaps.
The jpeg file is called Calanans rater for some reason.Perhaps thats written on the back of the original( I don't know that yet but I'm assuming)

Any ideas?

[ahp]

I can't identify her, but that is not a gunter rig. I destinctly see peak and throat halyards. Picky picky.

[John B]

Every time I identify a rig like that as "high peak" I get someone pop up and say " you mean gunter":rolleyes:
ah well:D

[rbgarr]

She looks like a smaller version of GLORIANA to me, but who knows?

I Googled Herreshoff GLORIANA to find images for comparison. Lookee here! (There's one of GLORIANA in there somewhere.)

http://www.thirdwavefilms.com/photos.htm

[Thad]

Looking at the GLORIANA picture in the Bray/Pinheiro book, your boat looks just like except that your bowsprit is shorter and the high peaked main/gunter/lug is far different from the gaff topsail rig. I couldn't pick out GLORIANA in that site.

[rbgarr]

I couldn't pick out GLORIANA in that site.

She's the eighth picture from the top. The one of her approaching a big nun buoy with a man perched on the spreaders (sent up to deal with the spinnaker pole, perhaps?)

[Dan McCosh]

It's not a NY30--they have cabins. The hull looks something like a NY40, but it seems too small.

[Thad]

I see, I see. Great picture, great moment. Thanks.

[Stephen]

Maybe that burgee could be traced back to a yacht club for more information?

[John B]

Just to clarify, I'm not saying that it is a NY30 or 40, just that it has the NGH look. with vertical cut like that, I'd expect it to be 1890's not post 1900.

[AndrewM]

The bow looks too deep and too fine to me to be a Herreshoff.

My best guess would be a 10 rater from around 1892, the cockpit layout suggests a day racer, and the raters, particularly the British ones, commonly had gunter, lug or high peaked gaff rigs.

[John B]

I agree with the time scale. Of course it was common to have a local designer harvest ideas and be influenced by the industry leaders then just the same as it is now, so she could be anyones.
One idea here is that she might be an Aussie boat.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Could there be a misprint - "Calahan's rater"

Rig looks circa 1890-1910, but since she is described as a rater she must be pre-1906.

Not English, unless just possibly Sibbick.

[AndrewM]

Almost certainly not Sibbick, by 1894 he was doing raters such as Unora, a fairly radical fin keeled skimming dish. Very different from the yacht in question.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Respectfully beg to differ; his larger boats were much more conventional than his very small raters like Unora. But probably not Sibbick anyway!

[AndrewM]

Sorry, my only knowledge of Sibbick has been the small raters and some cruising boats, as well as some later Linear Raters. I had not been aware that he did any larger racing boats eary in his design career.

[johnw]

If it's a rater, that could be a Solent rig rather than guther or gaff. Herreschoff invented crosscut sails about the time he built Glorianna, so I think it's someone copying his work.

[rbgarr]

FWIW, GLORIANA as pictured on the cover of Bray/Pinheiro's book had a suit of vertical panel sails.

[AndrewM]

Herreschoff invented crosscut sails about the time he built Glorianna, so I think it's someone copying his work.

But the main and staysail are vertically cut, not crosscut.

[Lucky Luke]

Very intriguing, indeed, but definitely NOT Gloriana: she is to small, different bow shape, cockpit and hatches. Cant see clearly, but does she have a (very strange?) central cockpit or it that a low profile (standard position) skylight?
Her beam and flat deck look very NGH style, but I would rather just say: American.
Her rig and sail cut look more recent than the boat...or is it some early experiment....???

[johnw]

But the main and staysail are vertically cut, not crosscut.

Exactly my point. The Gloriana bow was easy to copy. Herrshoff was the only one actually making crosscut sails for several years.