Help me find a design

[Captain Pre-Capsize]

Here is the criteria for what I'm looking for:

Trailerable - around 20 feet or so max.
Daysailor with cuddy
Room for porta potty in cuddy - ladies need the privacy!
Able to take on big seas - Lake Michigan
Needs to look "refined"
Reasonably quick set up

I've got a library of back issues of Water Craft, WB, Classic Boat, etc. I've been through 'em many a time. I'm drawn to Pathfinder but no cuddy and to my eye the design looks very capable but somehow husky and not refined. I've given the Chebbacco a good look. The only version that looks refined is the lapstrake one and it is a head turner. This is as close as I can get.

Are there any others out there? I need a big cockpit for the five of us plus any friends too. Just need a cuddy to make a pit stop in and keep the food in. No camping just day sailing. The Caledonia Yawl would be terrific until somebody needs to take care of business and then no cuddy...

[StevenBauer]

How about Parker's new Seabrite. It's not on his website yet but I read about it in one of those mags.

Steven

[Pericles]

Try a Tolman skiff. http://www.fishyfish.com/philwalker/index.html
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Pericles

[StevenBauer]

Peri, that's a stinkpot. He's looking for a daysailor. :)

Steven

Probably meant daysailer, though.

[almeyer]

Captain,
Have you thought about a catboat?
Al

[JimD]

If you like the Pathfinder how about a cuddy on a 6 Metre Whaler?

[Helle]

The Golant Gaffer, stiff, eye-catching, strip-planked, trailerable.
Regards
Helmuth

[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

Romilly (http://www.burnettyachtdesign.co.uk/romillyspv.html)

[barrington]

Selway-Fisher 19'6" Highlander. I've been looking for pretty much the same thing as you for a while now. Best of luck
Chris.

[Keith Wilson]

I think you're on the right track with Bolger's Chebacco. The sheet-plywood one looks very nice on the water; better than you would think, but the lapstrake version is stunning. The cockpit is enormous, and setup off a trailer is as easy as possible for a boat this size.

http://www.instantboats.com/images/chebacco.gif

http://www.smallsailboats.co.uk/dinghy/dinghy_files/guestp_files/chebacco.jpg

http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2001/Jerome-1.jpg

[DrakeChristensen]

Room for 5 + and a cuddy in <=20ft is a tall order. I'm interested in the ideas people have here. I have almost identical criteria.

Here one that came to mind: Nigel Irens' Romilly - At 22ft maybe a little longer than you're looking for.

http://www.burnettyachtdesign.co.uk/images/romspv/roms13.jpg

[Garth Jones]

If you like the look of the Caladonia Yawl, you might consider two of Iain Oughtred's other designs, the Eun Mara and the Wee Seal. Both are just under 20', trailerable, and have a cuddy.

Here's an Eun Mara:

http://www.geoss.com.au/eun_mara/images/Faoilean3.jpg

I completed a Ness Yawl last year - she' a great, great daysailer, but obvioulsy with no cuddy, bucket, etc. Here she is:

http://www.slaughterhousegallery.com/Ness%20Yawl/Images/KS5thumb.jpg

Cheers,
Garth

[Captain Pre-Capsize]

Romilly is a beauty but WAY out of the park money wise. I've looked and drooled over it before but toooo much money. Also the rig is so very tall it would be reefed at all times here in the Windy City. Sounds like sour grapes but that's a fact.

The Highlander I've got the study plans for - the 18 footer and it is very capable coming from the Little Island as it does. The lapstrake Chebbacco seems more refined somehow and more cohesive as a design. It all just goes together.

Surely there is something else out there to compare against?

[Hwyl]

The Drascombe Coaster, is fiberglass, slow and ugly.
http://www.drascombe.co.uk/images/Coaster1.gif

It is however your benchmark

[Wiley Baggins]

These two from Gartside are in the box (I think) but the Italian Job - sorry, couldn't resist - will need a cuddy added and probably dents the box. In truth, it's probably best viewed as a jumping off point for what you want, but no brainstorm worth having doesn't have a few thunderclaps therein.


http://gartsideboats.com/catsail2.php#spartan

http://gartsideboats.com/catsail2.php#italy

[mcdenny]

Boy that Romilly sure looks sweet! You could build it lapstrake if that was important, make the rig a little smaller for the big lake, substitute wood spars for the carbon (details on the plans plus mylar station templates-no lofting) and you'd have about nailed your criteria.

Other than pouring a ballast keel, I wouldn't think the materials cost would be much different for a Chebacco.

[chrisk]

William Garden's Eel may fall into the category also. The cabin top can be made to hinge up and with appropriate canvas sides, would give the necessary privacy to the fairer sex.

Tony Dias also has a design called Beach Point 18. It's a canoe yawl I found in "Boat Design Quarterly #8". Can't find a web site for Tony Dias.

If you are willing to add 2 more feet to the length you can take a look at these:

Paul gartside 22' double ender designed to live on a trailer
http://www.gartsideboats.com/catsail3.php#weekender

Tony Dias' Sirena 20' 9" has a pop-tob cabin for privacy

Selway Fisher's Kittiwake 22' or Rona Yawl 21'
http://www.selway-fisher.com

Chris Kottaridis (chriskot@quietwind.net)

[Wiley Baggins]

For me, Gartside's 22-footer is the cat's meow in a boat that size. I can't think of a prettier, handier boat at, or around, that length. She would not be inexpensive, but what a looker.

Selway-Fisher's Kari 3 (fourth on the page linked below) might do as well.

http://www.selway-fisher.com/PCover20.htm

[chrisk]

For me, Gartside's 22-footer is the cat's meow in a boat that size. I can't think of a prettier, handier boat at, or around, that length. She would not be inexpensive, but what a looker.

Yep. I've promised myself I'd have two masts in my next boat though and I need a non-time consuming build method. I really like Ted Brewer's Grand Banks 22:

http://www.tedbrewer.com/sail_wood/grandbanks22.htm


http://www.tedbrewer.com/sail_wood/images/GB22-sailing.gif

It's a plywood build, but I haven't been able to convince myself that it'd be easy to get on and off the trailer with a flat dory bottom and a keel sticking down from that for a total of 3 feet of draft. I am sure I can do it at the reservoir I do most of my sailing at, but I want to be able to go other places and that just seems like a bit too deep.

But, I like the design and have heard good things about the sailing capability.

Chris Kottaridis (chriskot@quietwind.net)

[AngWood]

Don't forget Atkin. Anything here you like? http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/index2.html

I'm not sure what you mean by "needs to look 'refined.'"

[Captain Pre-Capsize]

[QUOTE I'm not sure what you mean by "needs to look 'refined.'"[/QUOTE]


Definition of refined is best seen in the lapstrake version of Chebbacco and the sheet ply version.

[Wiley Baggins]

I really like Ted Brewer's Grand Banks 22:

...I haven't been able to convince myself that it'd be easy to get on and off the trailer with a flat dory bottom and a keel sticking down from that for a total of 3 feet of draft. But, I like the design and have heard good things about the sailing capability.



Indulging in a bit of thread drift until Captain Pre-Capsize sees the wisdom of partnering with you on a modification of the Grand Banks 22...

There was a piece on Spaulding Dunbar some time back, and he had a boat (and there have been others) with two centerboards. Maybe you could get the lateral plane that way. Mind you, otherwise humping that boat on/off a trailer absent a lift gives me pause, but...

Another option, although I don't think she's anywhere near the boat the Grand Banks 22 is for seaworthiness, is Rabl's "Flying Cloud."

http://www.dngoodchild.com/5035.htm

[JimD]

Brewer had the first GB 22 built for his personal use so he must have had some faith in it. Would it be any harder to launch and retreve than other boats with 3 feet draft?