Motor Mount for Rozinante

[JohnFon3]

I'm going to be launching my restored Rozinante this spring, and need help finding an outboard motor mount. I'll be buying a 2-3 HP outboard. I sailed on a Roz in Puget sound that had what the skipper called a Herreshoff motor mount. It was located on the aft quarter, the mount itself was shaped like an H, and it was attached using a pintle and gudgeon arrangement on the deck, ie no out board bracket drilled into the hull. No one knows what i'm talking about on the east coast. Can anyone help me find one like this?

[Tom M.]

Sorry I don't know, but someone will be along to give you the source. They exist.

[StevenBauer]

John, look in the resources/product searh section of the forum for the thread titled: Traditional Marine Hardware. Lots of good links there. Bristol Bronze might have what you want.

Steven

[willmarsh3]

Would it be one of these? (top image)

http://spartanmarine.com/image/19.jpg

[Paul Pless]

Like Will said, this seems to be a pretty elegant solution:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid170/pa2cc40a5b245f07b2502efa0327a749e/f3fb3cab.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid170/p069af72faa2fc733bfa5948e99f1ba9e/f3fb3c74.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid170/p42f4de366b5dd73e08929b746edaf969/f3fb3c1d.jpg

[rbgarr]

I have a motor mount of the type you describe for my 30 foot Shields sloop which is about the same displacement as a Rozinante. It came with the boat, is made from stainless steel and is an option offered for sale by Cape Cod Shipbuilding... for $700.00 (!)

The boat came with a 2 hp outboard and it's not enough power. 6-8 HP is better.

[Brumenschenkel]

I believe that Bristol Bronze has bronze motor mounts that would be in keeping with a Rozinante. Page 25 in their catalouge. Additionally the owner is a Herreshoff enthusiast and will be able to steer you toward the best fit. Good Luck

[Thad]

Problems come with the double ender.

[Paul Pless]

Thad, those pictures of the bronze mount that I posted are of Venchka's Caledonia Yawl. Here's another, showing the mount in place, without the motor attached:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid159/p1eb84eccfbe0333bd25197db36309264/f4f615f2.jpg

[rbgarr]

Does anyone know what the bronze 'oarlocks' are for on Venchka's CY motor bracket? Is there bracing of some kind needed?

[MickG]

Willmarsh 3
What is the name and addess of the company that sells the bronze motor bracket?
Thank you,
Mick Griffin

[WillW]

Mick -

It's from the Spartan Marine catalog. Look up www.spartanmarine.com (http://www.spartanmarine.com). About $400 US complete.

[Thad]

Spartan Marine in Georgetown Maine http://spartanmarine.com/

[waters'l]

Watch out for the part in the Spartan add that says the mount "will not catch lines." I had my mainsheet catch in the bracket once on a jibe and had the main come up short. It almost put Pearl on her beam ends. Other than that, I think it works really well. It also means we can stow the motor when not in use (most of the time). I like that.

[KNOCKABOUT]

I'm going to be launching my restored Rozinante this spring, and need help finding an outboard motor mount. I'll be buying a 2-3 HP outboard. I sailed on a Roz in Puget sound that had what the skipper called a Herreshoff motor mount. It was located on the aft quarter, the mount itself was shaped like an H, and it was attached using a pintle and gudgeon arrangement on the deck, ie no out board bracket drilled into the hull. No one knows what i'm talking about on the east coast. Can anyone help me find one like this?

Edson - Bronze Outboard Motor Bracket

[rbgarr]

AFAIK the Edson bracket mounts permanently on a transom, so wouldn't work on a double ender without considerable alteration. See http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=348&BASE for a picture of the two models.

[KNOCKABOUT]

The Edsons mount permanently on a transom, so wouldn't work on a double ender without considerable alteration.

didnt realize it was a double-ender... The edson's are pretty though.

[JohnFon3]

Thanks everyone for your help, hope I can return the favor one of these days

[dunbarpm]

I have seen two stern quarter motor mounts for the Roz. One on Paul Miller's boat in Annapolis, and one on mine. Both are unique custom made items. Paul's is out of tubular AL which slides into a bracket on the deck. Mine is sheet stainless which also slides into a bracket on the deck. A third design I have seen is a pretty massive steel thing good for maybe a 20 hp motor, but not very conducive to taking on and off. Needless to say, all are custom designed and built. I have not seen anything off the shelf.

A problem with all these designs is that the bracket must sling down quite a bit in order to insure that your outboard has a good bite and does not cavitate badly while rolling etc. That solved, the bracket itself will then be far enough down the topsides to dig in while under sail at even a moderate heel, giving you all sorts of drag and plenty of spray. If you still have the motor attached under these conditions, you are always wary of giving it a good dip. I believe both Paul and me use Nisson's 3.5hp's, as light as can be since you will be tossing it about.

Paul minimized the drag/spray problem with the tubular design, reducing the drag; I set mine up so that the entire bracket can be (fairly) easily taken off via a good sized wingnut. It has to be tight as the vibration will drive your wacky. Both of us I believe lift the engine off and store it while under sail.
If you are interested, I can try to find some photos.
PeteD

[Herb Pollock]

Please see my private message, re a Smith & Rhuland custom bronze motor mount for the Rozinante.

[Jay Greer]

My own advise is to forget the out board and invest in a bigger spinnaker! This boat rows very well!
Jay

[Les Schuldt]

I know a little about Paul Miller's motormount. I built it when I owned (and restored) Honalee. It was designed to be removed quickly (with a single pin) as motorsailing a side mounted motor is nearly impossible. It's usually either cavitating or completely underwater depending on which way the boat's heeling.

One thing to consider when you observe the "transom" type mounts. Outboards are designed to kick up when they hit an obstruction, but only when they're aimed straight ahead. If you side-mount these brackets the motor must be turned 90 degrees to power you forward. At this point, if you hit something, the engine won't kick up, and something's gotta give. Not a pretty thought. Use with care.

Yeah, the Roz will row pretty nice. With a 12' oar lashed to the winch, I've rowed her 5 or more miles, a number of times. Put your back to the mizzen and row facing forward, gondola style.

-Les

[Tom Mac]

I hope this helps you. Put your boat on the hard. or if it is on the hard, good. Make templates of 3/4 ply, clamp them to the transom, make a bracket. mount the outboard, move the bracket, until it fits, It is in the waterline, you can till it clear of the water, and you can steer it . Now when you get that template set up to the above setup. Then get a good welder to make it out of a good aluimuim stock. Thats all there is to it. I made one, great! Sorry.I forgot to put this in before, you have to bolt it to the transom.

[dunbarpm]

ah yes, this summer I will finally try that huge sweep on Swift. Several like Les and Jay have lauded how well the Rozinante will row. there is a wonderful oarlock that came with my boat that someone designed/fabricated that slips right into the winch barrel.

I have no excuse, but it is a struggle to get that large heavy sweep out from below and set up. You have to top up the Main to fit it in. Thus far I think I have found it easier to hitch up the little outboard when needed, which is not often, given that real nice genny that a previous owner fit on. In fact, my outboard is still not out of its 50 hr break in period, the one which requires double the oil. Two years now.....do I really need to do that?

I cannot imagine motorsailing the rozinante -- the meadowlark yes, but not the rozinante...! This summer I will try the big oar, maybe sell the nisson on EBay...