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SaltyD from BC
05-23-2007, 07:05 PM
There's a magazine out of the city in these parts (Vancouver BC, Canada) called Pacific Yachting. Its one of these main stream mags devoted to lots of lovely frozen snot production boats with price tags a didget or two beyond anything that I would consider. To their credit though, they in amongst all the sea trails of yachts and such, do the odd history piece and I've noted that they are supportive of the few little wood boat festivals around the BC coast.

Anyways, my wife bought me the April edition a while back and thumbing through it I was delighted to see an article about an all but forgotten little commercial salmon fishing row boat that was ubicudous (sp?) on the coast here a hundred years ago. The article is written by a boatbuilder and designer that I had not heard of :o - Larry Westlake of Sechelt BC. Here's a photo from his site:



http://westlakeboats.ca/plans/BrightsidesLoRez.jpg


Now for the most part when I think of history of the west coast of Canada I think that that whole idea is an oxymoron. I mean there just isn't much written about the local history especially up here. The good reason seems to be that its comparitively extemely recent! Folks talk about how the area was settled by non first nation people but hey that was grandpa's day, only a hundred years ago. Hardly 'history' right? Well I don't know for sure why, but compared to the wonderfull recording of history on the east coast of this continent with several centurys to talk about there just doesn't seem to be a hell of a lot written about the (recent) history around here.

There's a couple of noteable exceptions. There's a series of books called the west coast chronicles by various authors that mention the west coast hand liner. There's also our very own living legend Mr. Billy Proctor of Echo Bay who mentions them in his writings. (By the way, you folks cruising up to Alaska need to veer to the east a bit off north Vancouver Island to Echo Bay Gillford Island and check out Billy's museum. Well, he calls it his junk collection - but visitors are welcome!)

Anyways back to Larry Westlake's article. He says he first learned of the potential of these little fishing boats in 1991 on a 'save the straight' event where folks were paddling from Vancouver to the island as an awareness thing...

"Three quarters of the way across the 18 mile route, a battered black rowboat with a black haired man in a filthy black Tshirt, smeared with grease, came up quickly behind us and pulled into our pod of colourfull plastic kayaks. The boat was a 60 year old handliner rotting out inside a fibreglass wrap. The powerplant was a young heavty duty mechanic who had worked all night to finish a repair. With no time to clean up, he had.."

He goes on to say that they the guy had left an hour after them. They chatted for a bit and he bid them good bye. Some of the kayakers were a little miffed to be beaten by a 'row boat' and picked up the pace to to keep up. That didn't happen and he quickly disapeared ahead of them.

It seems that there are litterally a handfull of these boats left. Their design varies a bit from boat to boat as they were probably just built by eye. There are no plans in captivity except for lines taken by the author. He now sells plans. :cool: The boat pictured above is a close "replica" built in stitch and glue fashion. He also sells plans for traditional plank on frame boats, lines of which he took of one of the few remaining handliners.

It appears that other than a very few new builds of these boats, there is one original boat in the Campbell river museum, one in the Sechelt museum and a couple others in private hands. That's it. They were all but abandoned and forgot after world war 11 and the availability of dependable engines. In the early 1900s fisheries records show that there were likely over 1000 handliners working in the Georgia straight to Prince Rupert area in Canada. They were used up into Alaska as well and less so in Washington and Oregon. Interestingly the boats were not lapstrake but edge set planks. They were usually built on the beach where good quality Douglas fir and cedar logs were prevelant. There were a few professional builders, but many were built by their owners...

bholderman
05-23-2007, 07:55 PM
SaltyD,

I've had the same criticisms of the Pacific Coast. Great find. Are there any drawings available?

SaltyD from BC
05-23-2007, 08:08 PM
Yes Brad, you'll see there's two handliner plans; 'brightsides' in stitch and glue and 'thomson-malyea' which is plank on frame. The later has a bit of a lines drawing..

http://westlakeboats.ca/

Check out the article in PY if you can find it. The old boys didn't fish out of a mothership. It was more like about this time of year when buddy would kiss his wife good bye and tell her he should be home in about 4 months. Then hop in his 13 footer and row north ending up hundreds of miles from home. They camped on shore along the way and sold to the canneries and the few mobile buyers - probably in steam launches or sail boats..

Bruce Keefauver
05-24-2007, 05:06 PM
Great find; thanks.

bholderman
05-24-2007, 06:06 PM
It looks like they have it available online, but the images dont show up. I think I might have to join to access it.

http://tinyurl.com/2g3z3o

SaltyD from BC
05-24-2007, 07:27 PM
It looks like they have it available online, but the images dont show up. I think I might have to join to access it.

http://tinyurl.com/2g3z3o

Ya I got to that page of the article too bh hoping I could give you guys a link to the article. Maybe you need to pay to 'join' :confused: I dunno I didn't try too hard...

Thanks for the comebacks guys and your interest. I'm really jazzed about these boats and I'm hoping maybe to try to build one this winter. The stich and glue looks dead easy but even though I'm a bit of a rookie I'd sure prefer to give the plank boat a try - which the author correctly points out is for advanced skills, and he doesn't provide much detail... If any of you seasoned builders have thoughts on building Westlake's plank boat I'm all ears.. :cool:

Dave Fleming
05-24-2007, 09:32 PM
Just posted to my Picturetrail albums what little info I have on the type in question.


http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL780/3097474/16571041/254982776.jpg

SaltyD from BC
05-25-2007, 11:15 AM
Nice Dave, where did you find this? That appears to be the "real deal" right down to the "dry assed seat". Westlake talked about that in the article. Usually a web of tightly strung cord or cable of some kind was fashioned to keep the opporater's but dry and free from salt sores!

bholderman
05-25-2007, 11:29 AM
Mr. Fleming, sir,

What a great contribution, thanks.

RGM
05-25-2007, 11:41 AM
Great post. Nicely done.

yorgie
05-25-2007, 12:16 PM
These Oarlock and Sail newsletters will have information about the type http://www.woodenboatclub.ca/newsletters.htm

This issue has a story about the Handliner migration From a few years ago as well as the replica of the Hubert Evans handliner.http://www.woodenboatclub.ca/_Newsletters/summer_2005.pdf

Chris

Dave Fleming
05-25-2007, 02:56 PM
http://www.woodenboatclub.ca/_Newsletters/summer_2005.pdf

SaltyD from BC
05-25-2007, 05:57 PM
Thanks guys. Unfortunately my new computer (vista) is giving me the gears so I can't open those links just now - looking forward to having a peak once things are sorted out...

SaltyD from BC
06-05-2007, 12:25 PM
I found a little more information. Here's a picture of a 'day boat' that fished for Gold Seal near River's Inlet from an article by Lester R. Petersen from the Raincoast Chronicles. It looks of the Handliner type albeit a bit larger than the average 12 to 15 footers..

http://www.goldseal.ca/images/wildsalmon/riverinlet/gog-3b.jpg

More information here including photos:

http://www.goldseal.ca/wildsalmon/salmon_history.asp?article=5

Ron Williamson
06-05-2007, 12:44 PM
I can't add anything about the boats,but Billy Proctor is a great writer.
SWMBO's parents went to his place and bought a couple of his books when they were on a charter out there.
R

Lew Barrett
06-05-2007, 01:05 PM
A bit off topic, but for some interesting reading about the old BC coast, especially the Desolation Sound area, pick up a copy of "Spilsbury's Coast." Essentially an autobiography by Jim Spilsbury (of early wireless fame) it's a really fascinating insight into the life and times of early to mid-2oth Century BC logging and life on the northern coast in general. What's really striking is that back then, there were more people living full time in the area than there are today. And, rowing from Lund to Victoria was reasonably common. Hardy souls.

SaltyD from BC
06-05-2007, 01:19 PM
Yes, I've read both the above - great recommendations for those interested in the (limited) recorded history of the BC coast. Thanks guys.

I should say too on my link above, most of that information relates to the first gillneters; slightly different than the handliners or handtrollers. The boats are very similar though. The first boom in the fishery was sockeye salmon which feed on plankton and could not be caught trolling. Chinook and Coho which feed on smaller fish is what the handliners were after and they would readily snap at a lure designed to resemble bait fish.

As an aside, today trollers do catch sockeye salmon. I believe in the 60s some time someone figured out that if you troll a lot of bright red flashers trailing a bright red 'hoochie' (rubber squid like lure) the sockeye will bite. Not sure if it makes them mad, or if they eat squid but it works...

Stephen
06-05-2007, 10:20 PM
I really enjoyed reading 'Tales From Hidden Basin' by Dick Hammond.

Also - Liv Kennedy's "Coastal Villages" http://www.island.net/~kennmac/coastal/ (http://www.island.net/%7Ekennmac/coastal/)

Here is an old Allen Farrell row boat that he used to hand-line out of, now stored away in Victoria awaiting restoration.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid86/p472da3f6d1b6ed7e64a97ea974362834/fab1303c.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/p23d65fe0b79b6c033f22c9897f51e499/faff1f6b.jpg

SaltyD from BC
06-05-2007, 10:58 PM
Wow Stephen, that's gorgeous. So I presume that's the Allan Farrell of our area?

Larry Westlake
03-25-2008, 11:10 AM
About a year ago you wrote,

[quote=SaltyD from BC;1580094]Yes Brad, you'll see there's two handliner plans; 'brightsides' in stitch and glue and 'thomson-malyea' which is plank on frame. The later has a bit of a lines drawing..

I just found this thread and thought you might still be interested in information about these boats.

There are now three sets of heritage BC Hand Troller plans available for builders. One set for the Evans boat is available from the Sunshine Coast Museum, www.sunshinecoastmuseum.ca (http://www.sunshinecoastmuseum.ca). All proceeds go to the museum, a good cause, and the plans are worth owning just to look at. two 24x36 sheets.

I have two other sets drawn up now, one is the boat originally built in Gibsons in 1937 by Roy Malyea and recorded, drawn up, and built in slightly modified form by Will Thomson in 1964-5.
I recently added a boat built in 1946 by father John and sons Bill & Bob Grundison. It is one of three built so the boys could go fishing.
Plans for several more are in the works.

Someone said they thought the Thomson-Malyea was "planked" which is a bit misleading - it's old-style edge-nailed strip planking. It's a method that is completely traditional (though not as old in origin as carvel or clinker) but is a bit more achievable for some amateurs.

Larry

mmd
03-25-2008, 12:00 PM
Nice lookin' boat - glad to see that some few folks take the time to document them. A lot of our small-boat maritime heritage is lost or at risk of being lost. I encourage everyone with an interest in old wooden boats - especially work boats - to learn how to take lines and document the old derelict boats you find. If you don't, we all may lose the chance to see, appreciate, and maybe recreate a lovely little vessel. We can't rely on museums to do this due to budgetary and manpower restraints, but each of us can be a mini Chapelle. Like the sneaker ad says, just do it!

Nanoose
03-25-2008, 01:05 PM
What mmd says.

Our Nanoose was built from lines in Chapelle's book.....documenting an 1800's work boat. As far as we know, she's the only one on the planet (hope not, but probably).

Those of you that can, please do.

SaltyD from BC
03-25-2008, 01:45 PM
Someone said they thought the Thomson-Malyea was "planked" which is a bit misleading - it's old-style edge-nailed strip planking. It's a method that is completely traditional (though not as old in origin as carvel or clinker) but is a bit more achievable for some amateurs.

Larry

Could you elaborate on the original planking system for the uneducated please Larry, when you say strip planking is it pure strip planking in that all the "planks" are the same width? I'm thinking that the garboards at least must have some shape to them plus maybe a few of the first 'strips'? No?

I'm glad you found this. Regards.

Dan

johnw
03-25-2008, 02:59 PM
That boat sure looks like a Maine peapod.

Dave Fleming
03-25-2008, 03:36 PM
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=16571041&uid=3097474


;)

A repeat post, sorry.

Bobcat
03-25-2008, 03:45 PM
When I started work on a troller in 1980, the deckhands were still known as "boat pullers," a holdover term from the days of rowing hand trollers.

Larry Westlake
04-10-2008, 12:58 PM
[quote=SaltyD from BC;1797705]Could you elaborate on the original planking system for the uneducated please Larry, when you say strip planking is it pure strip planking in that all the "planks" are the same width? I'm thinking that the garboards at least must have some shape to them plus maybe a few of the first 'strips'? No?

Larry's reply:
All the known strip-planked BC Handliners use tapered strips.
See page at http://westlakeboats.ca/courses/workshop1.htm
There are links to other handliner pix from that page.