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Figmental
08-19-2007, 09:39 PM
Historic sail boat returns to Tottenville
The Carib II is the last-known surviving ship built by the now-defunct AC Brown & Sons Shipyard
Sunday, August 19, 2007
By JODI LEE REIFER
ADVANCE STAFF WRITER
STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. --
She endured a World War II stint on anti-submarine patrol; the punishing heat and humidity of the Virgin Islands for many years, and an unknown number of violent storms.
All of that, and she's still nautical eye candy.

Now, after 83 years away, the Carib II, a 52-foot, double-masted wooden sail boat has returned to the town where she was built: Tottenville.
The last-known surviving ship built by the neighborhood's now-defunct A.C. Brown & Sons Shipyard (1873-1929), the boat sailed here on its way to Maine for structural reinforcement. The Tottenville Historical Society is playing host to Carib II and her owner, David Soule.
The ship docked at Great Kills Yacht Club before moving on to Port Atlantic Marina and Bentley Yacht Club, where she's moored until tomorrow.
"When you can see something then you can understand and appreciate its history a lot better," said Linda Hauck, director of the historical society.
By 1880, Staten Island had 17 shipyards, scattered throughout the North Shore, Stapleton and Tottenville. The borough's southernmost town was home to eight shipyards, she said.
Soule, a maritime history buff, reached out to the historical society last winter after he bought the boat in October. A big fan of its designer, the renowned Commodore Ralph M. Munroe, Soule discovered Munroe was a longtime friend of A.C. "Uncle Chris" Brown.
Munroe grew up in the borough, but even after he moved to Coconut Grove, Fla., he still sent clients here to have their ships built.
"It tells me his boats were the best," said Soule. "The people of Staten Island have a lot to be proud of, more especially Tottenville."
The Carib II, a gaff-rigged centerboard ketch, was constructed in 1924 of white oak framing and yellow pine planking with a mahogany interior and can sail in water as shallow as four-feet deep.
She and her twin sister ship, the Alice, were commissioned by Max Mauran of Rhode Island and Henry Howard of Massachusetts. Howard had been searching for a designer to build his "dream ship," a vessel that could stay off shore in any weather and seaworthy through shallow Caribbean waters.
Soule, 53, a tall man with warm, crystal blue eyes, said his mission is to reconnect communities with their history. "This magnetizes them," said the sailor, who has two houses in Arizona, where he works as a metal fabricator/welder two weeks out of every two months.
Sitting on the couch in the Carib II's hull, Renie Wuethrich, 86, a resident of Tottenville since 1948, inspected Soule's vast collection of history, fiction and gourmet cook books.
"We're moving in," she joked. "The woodwork is so beautiful. And the roominess! I've learned a lot. They've brought us back to the original Tottenville.

Photos are here;
http://www.silive.com/news/advance/photos/gallery.ssf?cgi-bin/view_gallery.cgi/silive/view_gallery.ata?g_id=4421

http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=480643&cid=45

Thad
08-20-2007, 05:43 AM
Great! Are you stopping here on the way? Where are you having her hauled? Cheers!

Figmental
08-20-2007, 08:07 AM
Hi Thad, I was hoping we could meet, you played such a large role in alerting me to Carib when she was for sale. Will you be around in a week or so? I'd love for you to see her and get your opinion on my best course of action.

I was also hoping to rent a guest mooring at whichever yacht club Henry Howard was a member of there in Marblehead. Do you know which one that is?

I've been recommended to a guy in Boothbay to do the work on Carib. So far he seems like the right one to give me the best value for my limited resources.

David

Thad
08-20-2007, 12:27 PM
I will be waiting. Let me know when. Henry Howard's club was the Eastern. I'd be glad to make contacts to try to facilitate a visit. It sounds like you did well to stop at Tottenville. That is wonderful. My cell # is 617-834-3915. I wait to speak.

Tom Hunter
08-20-2007, 01:04 PM
When will you be in Marblehead, I want to row by and drool at your boat.

Figmental
08-20-2007, 04:17 PM
That would be wonderful if you could help me get a mooring there, Thad. Perhaps they still remember the Alice there. I had a great time here in Tottenville and was able to meet the granddaughter of one of the builders of Carib II, George Brown, and take her out sailing too. It's been such a fine feeling to be able to connect Tottenville with it's noble past.

I also was able to get from the grandaughter a drawing dated 1921 of Carib II. I am very sure it is Ralph Munroe's original since it doesn't list any other names like the drawings dated 1922 and 1923 which list Munroe as the designer but also have John Alden and SS Crocker on them too. It's a smaller drawing measuring 18 by 22 inches. Henry Howard went to Munroe in 1920 so that also fits with it being Munroe's from 1921. I'd always heard that Alden changed the bow to look more typical of him, but in this one the bow is nearly identical to the later dates which makes me think that Munroe's bow was already looking like that. I'll show you when we meet in a week or so.

I'll keep you posted on our progress here so Tom and anyone else interested can come see her too.

I need to stop somewhere in Ct to see my 90 year old uncle on the way. Does anyone have any connections at Mystic Seaport so that I might leave Carib their exhibit area while I go see him? Would just be a day or two.

David

Thad
08-20-2007, 05:05 PM
Mystic Seaport has docking space. There is also anchorage just beyond the Museum. I would be glad to call anyone I know there to see how that might go. Tomorrow. If you have a cell phone give me a call.

Kim Whitmyre
08-20-2007, 05:28 PM
She's a beauty, David. . .

Jay Greer
08-21-2007, 10:45 AM
You look mighty comfortable there! Damn nice boat!
Jay

Figmental
08-21-2007, 11:19 AM
She is a comfortable ride. Now if I could just afford hired crew to keep her looking good. It's a daunting task to keep all her needs covered. And as I motor along I can see the varnish fail in front of my eyes. I don't think I can keep her up without help, it's just so much.

I had a chance to study the drawing last night and it is by The Commodore hinself. Dated Oct. 1921 and I recognise his handwriting on it. The boat as drawn is even more beautiful than as built. Eventually I'll get it scanned and post it on here. The cabin sides have more taper going forward, the gaffs are more upright, more camber on the deck, and the draft is listed as 3'7" not 4' as Carib has. The bow wasn't reworked. The boat has a leaner look with that forward taper. Just gorgeous.

I looked at the Mystic site and nonmember dockspace is 3.75 per foot per night X 52 ! Yikes!(If they charge for spars we are 60" overall), shhhh.
What was that quote, If you have to ask how much dockspace is......

David

Gary Bergman
08-21-2007, 01:37 PM
Originally, we were planning on keeping Royaliste in somewhat similar surroundings as yourself,but alas, the costs were too high for my retirement budget ( I do have working crew to feed)..Now we keep hunting in the Carolinas, as the cost is workable, and the resources to keep up repair and maintain the vessel are also available...good luck,mate.

Figmental
08-24-2007, 06:58 PM
It's Friday night and we are anchored in Newport, R.I., and my God, what a yachting scene this is. There's got to close to 1000 boats in these waters.
It looks like we will arrive in Marblehead Sunday arternoon. Mystic didn't volunteer free space so we kept on today and did over 80 miles. I'll have to see my uncle later.
I contacted the grandson of Henry Howard and he is excited to see Carib II. He said he donated the original tiller from the Alice to the Manchester Yacht Club for use as a trophy so we are making a stop there too. He also had the Auray dinghy and the Old Town sailing dinghy from the Alice for many years. I never knew what design the sailing dinghy was, it was never mentioned except as a sailing dinghy.
I don't have any leads yet on the family of Max Mauran who first owned Carib II. Does anyone here on the forum have any clues for me?
I'll call you tomorrow, Thad

David

Thad
08-24-2007, 07:04 PM
Mystic should be sorry but sounds like good progress. We look forward to seeing you. Talk tomorrow.

Figmental
08-27-2007, 05:57 AM
Hey Tom, We are gonig to the Eastern Yacht Club this (Monday) morning if you want to row by. I think we'll be there between 10 and noon. PM me your phone nunber and I'll call if it's different than that. I've still got to work out the times but that looks pretty sure so far.

Dave Hadfield
08-31-2007, 08:00 AM
Very glad to see her looking so good, David. Sorry I didn't get down to help last winter.

Best of luck,

Dave Hadfield