Bored? Need a project?

[Henning 4148]

http://www.rettetdieklassiker.de/rettet-die-klassiker/liste.htm

[bamamick]

Absofreakinlutely WOW!!!!!!!!!!

I am not bored after seeing that! I have visions of 30 squares dancing in my head.

Mickey Lake

[Stephen]

Excellent stuff - thanks for sharing:)

[Oscarvan]

Though German is not my first language, it's my third after Dutch and English, I can translate if someone is very interested.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Thanks, Henning.

The "Malabar" looks an interesting project.

What puzzles me is why, in a hotbed of classic boating like Germany and Denmark, these boats should be in need of new owners?

[Noah]

I have visions of 100sq meters dancing in my head!

Mickey, I had some folks come look at my Swede who have taken a 22sq meter beefed it up and added a 33sq meter carbon rig to the boat. Very sweet looking. It was for the same owner as Bachant.

Absofreakinlutely WOW!!!!!!!!!!

I am not bored after seeing that! I have visions of 30 squares dancing in my head.

Mickey Lake

[Henning 4148]

What puzzles me is why, in a hotbed of classic boating like Germany and Denmark, these boats should be in need of new owners?


Well, deducting from my situation, I guess the answer is: Most people don't have the time, skill, location or commitment to do the work themselves and if you have to pay for the work, you spend more than you get in value. So, it needs to be a long term commitment from start on.

My wife and I had a look at one of the boats posted on the site earlier this year (The Niedersachsenjolle "Stromer", a boat with fixed external ballast and a centreboard)) and although not being beyond saving, it does need approx. a 2/3 rebuild. I am still tempted as it is a very rare A&R classic and there are very few of that type around, also, it would match our needs quite nicely, being small enough to trailer behind a VW Golf and sail on rivers, at the same time big and seaworthy enough for harbour hopping on the baltic with two or three on board. Even Helgoland would be possible in fair weather. Tempting. But you start from zero and have to pay right from the start. Before you can even start on the boat, you need a roadworthy trailer to get it home. A good trailer with brakes, otherwise the Golf would be to small as a tow vehicle. When everything is done, you got to see the sailmaker about a new wardrobe. There is none at the moment.

At least on the boat we saw, there are no shortcuts and "We'll do it later" possible anymore, all the shortcuts have already been taken by previous owners and all repairs delayed beyond "we can do it later".

Still - tempting. A Niedersachsenjolle. A&R. Only approx. 50 built. No real problems to get hold of plans, I already have small PDF printouts on my desk and other owners are willing to share information. Well documented boat. But I am reluctant to commit myself to work on it for a few years before I can sail it. And - the woodwork needs to be very accurate. Small A&R boats were not caulked ... . Once they had taken up, they were watertight. A&R style. A bit beyond my current skills ... .

So - I guess the situation is somewhat similar with the other boats on the list, more or less so depending on the actual project. Each one needs a new owner who is willing and able to go the whole way and do / have done whatever is necessary. Technical advice is available from the association that has set up the website, but the commitment must come from the new owner.

[bamamick]

Boats, boats, and boats. I just spent an hour looking at different sites concerning square metre boats and Dragons. Nice way to spend a rainy evening.

Mickey Lake

[Rich VanValkenburg]

The 30 square with an 'X' sail number is interesting. I found old photos at Detroit Yacht Club in the last couple weeks with a 'Y' sail number that were referred to as 22 squares. I'd be very interested in understanding the sail numbering system. The first 22's ever sailed in Detroit in 1931 were German boats and not Swedish boats as we had thought. Some of them had 'G' sail designations (G26, and G30) but others were clearly 'Y' numbers.

Henning is right about the time, money and commitment. We took 16 years to do the work on our 22, and that was spare time. Most folks would have given up or lost interest after one summer of serious excavation and finding project after project that needed work.

Rich

[MarkC]

boats build or designed by Max Oertz and Henry Rasmussen.....

just think of the re-sale value!

A Max Oertz!

[ingo]

The 30 square with an 'X' sail number is interesting. I found old photos at Detroit Yacht Club in the last couple weeks with a 'Y' sail number that were referred to as 22 squares. I'd be very interested in understanding the sail numbering system. The first 22's ever sailed in Detroit in 1931 were German boats and not Swedish boats as we had thought. Some of them had 'G' sail designations (G26, and G30) but others were clearly 'Y' numbers.

Henning is right about the time, money and commitment. We took 16 years to do the work on our 22, and that was spare time. Most folks would have given up or lost interest after one summer of serious excavation and finding project after project that needed work.

Rich

Well, that are the old "letter-classes":

10 qm Rennklasse N (1930-1933) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=10%20qm%20rennklasse%20n&language=eng)
125 qm Kreuzerklasse N (1921-1929) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=125%20qm%20nationaler%20kreuz er%20n&language=eng)
15 qm Binnenfahrtklasse F (1926-1933) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=15%20qm%20binnenfahrtklasse%2 0f&language=eng)
15 qm Jollenkreuzer P (1939) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=15%20qm%20jollenkreuzer&language=eng)
15 qm Rennjolle M (1921-1933) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=15%20qm%20rennjolle%20m&language=eng)
15 qm Wanderjolle H (1939) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=15%20qm%20wanderjolle%20h&language=eng)
20 qm Binnenfahrtklasse A (1930-1933) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=20%20qm%20binnenfahrtklasse%2 0a&language=eng)
20 qm Jollenkreuzer R (1939) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=20%20qm%20jollenkreuzer%20r&language=eng)
20 qm Rennschwertklasse Z (1922-1933) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=20_qm_rennjolle&language=eng)
20 qm Rennkielklasse W (1926-1932) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=20%20qm%20rennkielklasse%20w&language=eng)
20 qm Wanderjolle E (1939) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=20%20qm%20wanderjolle%20e&language=eng)
22 qm Rennklasse J (1910-1939) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=22%20qm%20rennjolle%20j&language=eng)
22 qm Schärenklasse Y (1926 1933) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=22qm%20sch&language=eng)
25 qm Binnenfahrtklasse C (1925-1933) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=25%20qm%20binnenfahrtkl&language=eng)
30 qm Rennklasse L (1917-1933) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=30%20qm%20rennkielklasse&language=eng)
30 qm Kreuzerklasse B (1925-1933) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=30%20qm%20kreuzerklasse&language=eng)
30 qm Küstenklasse U (1914-1933) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=30%20qm%20küstenklasse%20u&language=eng)
30 qm Schärenklasse X (1925-1933) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=30%20qm%20schärenkreuzer&language=eng)
35 qm Binnenfahrtklasse E (1928-1933) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=35%20qm%20binnenfahrtklasse%2 0e&language=eng)
35 qm Kreuzerklasse T (1919-1933) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=35%20qm%20nationaler%20kreuze r%20t&language=eng)
35 qm Rennklasse D (1925-1933) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=35%20qm%20rennklasse&language=eng)
40 qm Schärenkreuzer R (1921-1933) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=40%20qm%20sch&language=eng)
45 qm Kreuzerklasse P (1914-1933) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=45%20qm%20nationaler%20kreuze r%20p&language=eng)
60 qm Kreuzerklasse A (1925-1931) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=60%20qm%20nationaler%20kreuze r%20a&language=eng)
75 qm Kreuzerklasse O (1915-1933) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=75%20qm%20nationaler%20kreuze r%20o&language=eng)
Sonderklasse S (1910-1933) (http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=dsv14&config=sch&search__identifier=dsv1914&search_text_fields02=%25sonderklasse%25&language=eng)

To translate it a little:
Schärenklasse: skerry cruiser
Rennklasse: Racing class
Kreuzerklasse: Cruising class
Binnen: Inshore
Rennjolle: Racing dinghy
Wanderjolle: Cruising dinghy
Küstenklasse: Coast class

The links are to the (nearly complete) register of german boats.

[ingo]

Indeed we (the German Classic Yacht Club - www.fky.org (http://www.fky.org)) know of a lot more restoration projects. On the website are only the "real" projects and not boats that are able to sail. Our vice president Jan Lohrengel is very active and successful in finding boats...

[ingo]

boats build or designed by Max Oertz and Henry Rasmussen.....

just think of the re-sale value!

A Max Oertz!

Click at http://www.fky.org/prestodata/execsearch.php4?mask=ext&config=sch&search_konstrukteurname=oertz&language=eng and you will find all Oertz-Yachts we know. Many of them with pictures.

[Rich VanValkenburg]

Wow ingo. That list is priceless. I've forwarded on to George and Brad since it answered the question we had on the first Detroit 22m², which were German boats.

Rich

[ingo]

Wow ingo. That list is priceless. I've forwarded on to George and Brad since it answered the question we had on the first Detroit 22m², which were German boats.

Rich
There are references to the "Yacht"-magazine that we provide for free from 1904 to 1959. About 50,000 pages. I am sorry that the links to the magazine does not work correctly. But you can look at http://www.fky.org/prestodata/search.php4?mask=ext&language=eng for specific issues and pages. Or at http://www.fky.org/prestodata/search.php4?mask=presto&language=eng for a full text search.