applying CPES on the bottom of a skipjack

[Rock]

I have a 38 ft SkipJack and hauling out next week and thinking about applying CPES to the bottom and was wondering what the best application method might be, roller, pump spray can for insecticide ? anyone have anyidea how much CPES I might have to use ??

[paul oman]

Hello

I assume a wood hull. If you're not having any sort of problems with it, I wouldn't epoxy coat the wood (with pure epoxy or 70% thinned epoxy like cpes). Wood and epoxies expand and contract due to different things and forcing the two to work together probably isn't a good thing.

paul oman
www.epoxyproducts.com/marine.html (http://www.epoxyproducts.com/marine.html)

[thechemist]

Hi, Rock

Paul sells epoxies, as you may have noticed. This place is not supposed to be used for self-promotion, as it says at the bottom of the page. Paul skates a really thin line here, as he did not promote his epoxy products for your application.

There are many people who have used various products ranging from the very traditional white lead/red lead and alkyd enamel paints [available from Kirby's] to more modern resin systems. You can find many opinions and experiences of various people using various products in various applications, usually with success.

The search thingy in the upper right will give you information about 'most anything.

[Mr. Blimp]

What Paul and the Chemist did not tell you is that if you are considering the CPES treatment (for what I would describe as preservation of the wood not sealing of the hull) you'll have to strip it down to the bare wood. CPES is made to soak into, not coat/seal over wood.

As far as how much - that depends on the wood. I've soaked 4 gallons into my 19ft Lightning so far. Three coats on the deck left a hard shine. 2 coats in the cockpit was barely noticable. 3 heavy coats on the underdecking, which looked as if in had never had a finish at all, was not even noticable. It looks like it did when I started. I plan on another coat or two when I turn it back over to paint the hull.

So, if you're gonna use it, strip down to the bare wood, and lay it on until the wood has absorbed its fill.

[Nicholas Carey]

Originally posted by thechemist:
This place is not supposed to be used for self-promotion, as it says at the bottom of the page. Paul skates a really thin line here...I'd take issue with this statement.

Paul (A) isn't hiding his affiliation—it's right there in his .sig, and (B] he's not pushing his products—or even those of anyone else—in his post: ...If you're not having any sort of problems with it, I wouldn't epoxy coat the wood (with pure epoxy or 70% thinned epoxy like cpes)...forcing the two to work together probably isn't a good thing.While Paul does sell epoxies, these aren't the words of someone trying to hustle his products.

A good and reputable salesman will give someone the advice they need...which is sometimes "you don't need what I sell."

[Mr. Blimp]

Being so new to the forum I was going to hold my breath on that one - but since someone else took the bait first -

The sales pitch controversy that seems to be starting here reminds me of a series of posts on the Lightning class site's new forum wherein someone posted they were looking for a boat, with wants and desires, only to have one of the class' chairpeople post a watch your post posting stating the forum's rules on classifieds. Then buried in some other post the same chairperson answers someones questions with the names of two vendors.

It seemed to me that there was a thin line laid down depending on who laid it frist and who had the thicker marker to lay it down with, or maybe that was a thicker piece of chalk.

[Russell Sova]

My comment is really a question. What is CPES? I've built four boats and habve coated them all with epoxy sold as repair epoxy. It has a very long cure time and requires you stand there and catch any rolls. I've used it in cold weather where it took a very long time to cure but soaked in making the wood very hard. Does CPES do the same thing in real boatbuilding weather?

[thechemist]

Originally posted by Nicholas Carey:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by thechemist:
This place is not supposed to be used for self-promotion, as it says at the bottom of the page. Paul skates a really thin line here...I'd take issue with this statement.

Paul (A) isn't hiding his affiliation&mdash;it's right there in his .sig, and (B] he's not pushing his products&mdash;or even those of anyone else&mdash;in his post: ...If you're not having any sort of problems with it, I wouldn't epoxy coat the wood (with pure epoxy or 70% thinned epoxy like cpes)...forcing the two to work together probably isn't a good thing.While Paul does sell epoxies, these aren't the words of someone trying to hustle his products.

A good and reputable salesman will give someone the advice they need...which is sometimes "you don't need what I sell."</font>[/QUOTE]True, Nicholas, he's not hiding his affiliation (and that, in and of itself is self-promotion in his particular case) and in this particular post he didn't push his stuff, however he does more often than not.

The forum rules are, first, whatever Scot lays down and, after that, whatever the Forumites decide is consistent with Scot's rules and, I suspect, thirdly, whatever Scot decides to tolerate [or not] based on how the Forumites behave themselves and what the consequences of all that might be.

[thechemist]

Originally posted by Russell Sova:
My comment is really a question. What is CPES?&lt;snip&gt;Use the search thingy, Russel. Upper right of the screen. Look in Building/Repair for CPES in the Title of a post, and take it from there. You should also find in there a phone number or web site for the manufacturer in some of those posts and can get even more information.