Mickey- is this a Dragon?

[rbgarr]

I got a picture of it at Benjamin River on Eggemogggin Reach. I'm pretty sure it belongs to Doug Hylan: www.dhylanboats.com

http://i18.tinypic.com/8e1lqmo.jpg

[bamamick]

It is a pretty boat, though.

Mickey Lake

[JimConlin]

IOD? Luders? US One?
Sure is pretty.

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Reminds me of a Knud Reimers design

[bamamick]

Although I don't know if Knarrs have runners?

Mickey Lake

[rbgarr]

I don't see runners on the boat pictured. ??

[bamamick]

and a topping lift? Poor vision combined with a computer that's not too clear. Looked like a runner to my eye.

Mickey Lake

[bamamick]

Because I'd like to know what it is.

Mickey Lake

[Figment]

I think you're seeing the topping lift (which has slung itself round the backstay) leading/blurring into the mainsheet, not a runner.

It's not an IOD. It's close, but IODs have a sharper tail and I've never seen one with a masthead halyard.
I dunno what it is, but I dig the color.

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

She is a Tumlaren, 31 ft 9 inches, named EGRET ex DOLPHIN. She belongs to the owner of the Penofin Oil co. Built 1939 of Nordic pine. Good eye Mickey, she has two running backstays. More here:

http://www.penofin.com/tumlaren.shtml

[John B]

I don't think so Peter.That ain't no tumlaren.

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Check the website, it's documented there... the picture of the boat is there. She looks just like Adlard coles old boat actually, and thats why I recognized her.

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

http://www.penofin.com/images/t-gallery1big.jpg

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Hmmmm maybe not...

[Figment]

No way. wrong color, canoe stern, outboard rudder, etc.

[John B]

pointy stern, longer cabin , portholes, grab rails, different hatch and completely different design Peter. Tumlarens have that unusual rudder hanging off their canoe stern.

Same colour though.( near enough)

[Peter Malcolm Jardine]

Yeah I see that... and that top picture is clear enough I guess
The color threw me quick..

[bamamick]

Alright, who is going to volunteer to row out and put a note on the boat telling the owner that we have to know what his boat is?

Mickey Lake

[Noah]

Have we discussed the possibility that it's a Knarr? The rig looks right anyway.

http://www.bergens-seilforening.no/bilder/465.jpg

[rbgarr]

I'm convinced it's Knarr of some stripe. E-mail Doug Hylan at the website above. He'll know. The boat moors right out in view of his office.

[Figment]

Every time I start to think it's a Knarr, I recall that most (all?) of the Knarr boats have somewhat high-aspect rigs. The boat in question seems to have too much boom to be a Knarr.

[Rich VanValkenburg]

I saw one of those like rbgarr's photo a few years ago while on a trip on the Heritage, and it was moored somewhere on Eggemoggin Reach. The boat I saw was white-hulled and beautiful. Bright finished transom was somewhat wineglass shaped. Nobody on board knew what it was and I was too slow to get a good pic. Same type of boat, though.

Rich

[bamamick]

in post #5. And I still think that that's what it is. I wonder if it's one of the Knarrs that they put genoas on? The east coast boats added genoas (iirc) but the San Francisco boats all have the original jib rig.

Those things must be a blast sail in heavy air because that fleet in California is absolutely thriving.

Mickey Lake

[lagspiller]

No. Definitely not a knarr. Not only is the rig wrong, but hull shape is wrong. I think it is a much older design. S boat, Q boat... something like that.

[bamamick]

If it's not a Knarr then I don't have a clue.

Mickey Lake

[lagspiller]

This boat looks long. I bet it is well over 30'.
There is a Storknarr... a 'big-knarr'. I think it is called a Knarr variant over there. It sails with a genoa and has an extra board in the freeboard. Otherwise the same loa. Sail mark O. The original boats have O in the sail. There were a number of them on the Great Lakes. Otherwise the same length as the original.

Hasn't your Herreshof made boats that look like that?

Here... I found a picture of a Q-boat by Gardener.
http://www.californian.org/gif/virginia.jpg http://www.californian.org/gif/virginia.gif
What about something like this?

[MiddleAgesMan]

What about Ellusive, a Luders 16, a restoration on Hylen's site?

http://www.dhylanboats.com/

The hull looks right but the mast placement is different. Perhaps the photo on the site is a before pic.

[bamamick]

because of the fleet in New Orleans. That's not an L-16 cabin top, but who knows? Maybe they modified it for cruising or something?

Mickey Lake

[Paul Pless]

Is it a Sound Interclub, the precursor to the IOD?

[Trauet]

This thread was ended years ago. Regardless of that, the boat is a KNARR. It is probably Norwegian built (could be Danish), originally designed by the Norwegian Erling Christoffersen sometime just after WWII. I used to sail the Kutter, which is the small brother of the Knarr. We had spinnakers, which the Knarrs did not. The joke was that they would like to have their gin/tonics servedwithout having to deal with a spinnaker when the windward mark was rounded.

[johnw]

If it's a knarr, the rig's been modified. They were undercanvassed for New England sailing, so that's possible.