What ya can get for nine million

[S.V. Airlie]

The lift and gangway for the Charles W. Morgan,,

one
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/tancook/IMG_0149.jpg


two.. one ofthe Rolls Royce lifts.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/tancook/IMG_0151.jpg


three
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/tancook/IMG_0152.jpg


four
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/tancook/IMG_0153.jpg


five
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/tancook/IMG_0150.jpg

[elf]

Did you just row over and check it out today?

Amazing. Thanks.

So glad you're back on the forum.

[Tylerdurden]

How much can that puppy lift?

[S.V. Airlie]

How much can that puppy lift?

Umm, those puppies! Six of them Tyler.. At a cost of 1+ million each.
As far as how much they can lift.. Don't know but the Morgan is not light.:rolleyes:

[Tylerdurden]

I know someone will say "one million for that?" not knowing how much is unseen in the photo's...
Wow, some serious cash though.

[S.V. Airlie]

I know someone will say "one million for that?" not knowing how much is unseen in the photo's...
Wow, some serious cash though.


Tyler the 9 million was for the hoists as pictured. Six of them. Not the other stuff in the pictures such as the gangway etc. That increases the cost of the overall project above the 9 million figure posted.
I could be wrong but this was my understanding. The hoists alone were 9 million.

[MarkC]

Please explain!

(Australian joke) - but seriously you 'Northern Americans' sometimes forget that others come from other regions.

I think we are looking at a rail-way(s) with lifts for the restoration of the whaler? vessel Charles W. Morgan but? - bit more detail please.

[S.V. Airlie]

Sorry Mark

The Charles W. Morgan is an 1841 Whaling ship. One of the last ones or the last one. She is at Mystic Seaport and is the flagship of that museum. She was brought here in the early 40's and basically beached. Not literally but she was not technically floating. She was floated in the early1970's when my father was director.
Now, she is going in for a three year restoration. What the pictures show, are the lifts, the six Rolls Royce electric motors and the gangway she will rest on for those 3 yrs.
Hope this helps.

[MarkC]

Thanks! Now I understand why such a ways was created for this museum vessel (and perhaps others after the morgan restoration). Is Mystic Seaport a state/federal run museum?

[S.V. Airlie]

No Mark.
It is a 501 (c) (3). A tax designation for being a nonprofit
Until recently say the past 25 yrs.,it received very little state aid. Not sure about federal ) My father was opposed to accepting state funds as he feared the state would start dictating how the museum operated once it had give the museum funding of any sort.
So, it does accept funds now.
Google Mystic Seaport. I say the financial breakdown so Iknow that the aid given etc. is available

[S.V. Airlie]

Here you go Mark..

http://galenfrysinger.us/1/new_england/seaport11.jpg

[ahp]

Good Grief! How many times has the Morgan been rebuilt? Couldn't the Seaport build a dry dock for that, and then use it for other things?

[MarkC]

A substantial exhibit! That would need a nice maintenance schedule :D

Thank you for the photo and explanation.

[S.V. Airlie]

ahp. Actually I don't think she has been rebuilt. Patched a lot obviously but not totally rebuilt.
And it is basically a drydock from what I could see when snooping around.

[StevenBauer]

Does that whole center section drop down into the water? can you help us to visualize how that thing works?

Steven

[S.V. Airlie]

Steven. I looked at it quite closely. That seems to be the idea. Won't know for a few m9onths. The Morgan is supposed to be hauled in April.
I'll go watch, take a few pics and post them.

[JimConlin]

Jamie, can you shed any more light on the recent management turmoil at MSM?

[S.V. Airlie]

Jim.. The rumor mill can't keep up. Staff is basically unhappy. I personally think the museum is in trouble. No, still getting donations but memberships are off.
I was a member for one year. Never heard a thing from them. Paid 75.00 so that I( could acftually dock there instead of the basic membership. Only to discover you didn't even have to be a member to dock there. Why, I still wonder, did I pay for the priviledge?
Big article in the Day last week about what the museum plans to do to increase attendence. Hard to believe in some ways that more people go to the Baseball Hall of Fame than Mystic.

[riggertroy]

Does that whole center section drop down into the water? can you help us to visualize how that thing works?

Steven

Google syncrolift or go to the link below
http://www.rolls-royce.com/marine/downloads/lift/lift_fact.pdf

[Mike DeHart]

I can't help but imagine how much they could get per ticket if they would take the Morgan out for a sail occasionally.

[Vince Brennan]

I can't help but imagine how much they could get per ticket if they would take the Morgan out for a sail occasionally.

I'm pretty sure it would be canceled out by what they'd have to pay in insurance.

Mystic is one of my favourite places, but make no mistake... there are definitely problems under the exterior. It remains to be seen whether or not those problems are sufficiently acute to cause long-term damage to the Mystic concept. I hope not.


Jaime, did you know A.C. Beaudoin, the master knotter?

[Woxbox]

Jamie, Any idea why they went with such an elaborate, modern system rather than use a 19th-century style railway? You could build another ship from scratch for less than that. I wonder if they couldn't have even used one of those antique engines of theirs to power it.

At the same time, I'm envious. Only in our dreams will the Kalmar Nyckel Foundation ever have the means to haul our ship. Instead, we have to pay very big bucks to have it hauled (300 tons) for inspections and repairs.

As to the income from sailing, I'm not sure how it works out for the Kalmar Nyckel. The insurance costs are huge, but we have been selling lots of tickets recently. We scrape by.

[StevenBauer]

Thanks Troy, that explains it. Very cool system.


Steven

[S.V. Airlie]

Jamie, Any idea why they went with such an elaborate, modern system rather than use a 19th-century style railway? You could build another ship from scratch for less than that. I wonder if they couldn't have even used one of those antique engines of theirs to power it.

At the same time, I'm envious. Only in our dreams will the Kalmar Nyckel Foundation ever have the means to haul our ship. Instead, we have to pay very big bucks to have it hauled (300 tons) for inspections and repairs.

As to the income from sailing, I'm not sure how it works out for the Kalmar Nyckel. The insurance costs are huge, but we have been selling lots of tickets recently. We scrape by.


Just a thought. It is so elaborate as I suspect those that be will start tooting that it is the only place in the world that can take care of all of the tall ships etc. I sense this is down the road. And will just become another shipyard
Is it good for the museum? I am resting on the fence. I think it would depend upon whether any restoration work they do is done in a traditional way and if said restorations are or become an exhibit.
There are lots of strange, political things going on at that museum these days.

[S.V. Airlie]

Google syncrolift or go to the link below
http://www.rolls-royce.com/marine/downloads/lift/lift_fact.pdf

Impressive Steven. Thanks for the link

[riggertroy]

I guess the reasons for the syncrolift are many, though looking at picture 4 above they have the ability to slide a vessel sideways and have more than one vessel out of the water.
I worked in a shipyard in Indonesia (http://www.batamec.com/ then click on BMC yard, number 11 is the syncrolift area ) where they had some 10 or more vessels on the grid, including new builds.
The biggest difference to the traditional slipway, floating dock or drydock is that the syncrolift can allow more than one or 2 vessels to be worked on.

[Woxbox]

Jamie,
Very interesting. If the price is right, I woudn't be surprised if the Kalmar Nyckel visits Mystic more often. Here's a shot out of the water at Norfolk. Apparently the same type of system -- a massive elevator that lifts the boat up, at which point she can be rolled around the yard. But they charge an arm and a leg for just a few days. We keep going farther and farther to get a decent rate. Used to be done nearby in Chester, Pa. This year we're headed to a different yard in Virginia.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/Woxbox/KalmarNyckel-drydock.jpg

[S.V. Airlie]

Good shot Woxbox...
Umm, I have a feeling that Mystic is gonna charge anarm and a leg as well for haul outsetc. But we will see.