Pictures of Lapstrake 21' Alden Indian

[Tom R.]

By all accounts the Alden Indian --- actually designed by Sam Crocker then employed by Alden --- is a fine boat, beautiful and fast. Also reasonably trailerable for a 21' footer. I've purchased the plans and am giving serious consideration to building the boat. It appears suitable for glued plywood. However, try as I have --- and I have searched to no end --- I'm unable to find any pictures of the lapstrake version. I've found a number of pictures of the carvel version, but the lapstrake seems no where to be found.

If anyone has any pictures, that would be greatly appreciated. Would like to see it on the water. Thanks

[Ocean Spray]

Where I grew up(Winthrop Mass), the Indian was one of the boats that sailed in the local interclub races. What a beautiful boat! The only ones that I remember were lapstrake. I'll see if I can dig up some photos.

[emichaels]

Tom browse around here..........

http://www.aldendesigns.com/classics.html

I found a couple of our Alden 21 and some info to .

Eric

[Tom Hunter]

Is this the boat your thinking of?

Photo's courtesy of Valeria Hunter, age 6:



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[Tom Hunter]

I tried to get some of it under sail, but it's too fast, I could not catch it.

I can easily catch Fame, and catch almost any sailboat under 20' leaving the harbor, so these move right along.

[Tom R.]

Thanks for the pictures. Wow! This does look like one fast boat. Would work to on the smaller lakes of the Midwest. Looks like one fun day at the beach! You can certainly still see the dory heritage in the boat! Thanks for the pictures. Very much appreciated.
I've been to the Alden site --- they sell the carvel planked version there --- but never found any pictures.

[RT MAN]

I really like the look of these open cockpit boats does anyone know where there is one for sale?

[StevenBauer]

There is one for sale at Atlantic Challenge. It's a carvel planked one.

http://www.atlanticchallenge.com/boats/donated.shtm


Steven

[rbgarr]

And there's a fleet on Nantucket Island in Massachusetts. They may know of one for sale somewhere and here's the Nantucket Yacht Club's website: https://www.memberstatements.com/login/login.cfm (https://www.memberstatements.com/login/login.cfm)

At the end of the slide show on NYC's site there's a photo of three Indains racing.

[Philip Maynard]

wrong URL

[rbgarr]

wrong URL

Try this https://www.memberstatements.com/tour/tours.cfm?ClubID=12181

otherwise Google Nantucket Yacht Club

[chrisk]

Interesting that the previously mentioned Alden site has the "Indian Class" listed in the One Design Fixed Keel section. Certainly the drawings there have a fixed keel.

However, the "Fifty Wooden Boats" Catalog shows a 21' 2" Indian Class by John G Alden with a centerboard. It has an 18" draft with the centerboard up and says it is Lapstrake construction. The "Indian Class" with the fixed keel at the Alden site calls for Carvel planking.

The lapstrake centerboard version plans are available at the wooden boat bookstore:

http://www.woodenboatstore.com/images/400005.JPG

Tom's pictures seem to be of a centerboarder.

Not exactly sure why there is adifference.

[RT MAN]

There is one for sale at Atlantic Challenge. It's a carvel planked one.

http://www.atlanticchallenge.com/boats/donated.shtm


Steven



Thanks for the info i'll check out.

Rufus

[RT MAN]

There is one for sale at Atlantic Challenge. It's a carvel planked one.

http://www.atlanticchallenge.com/boats/donated.shtm


Steven



Thanks for the info I'll check out.

Rufus

[stevedwyer]

Here's one I looked at last fall. It needs some major work.
You'll have to replace some frames, etc. But the big thing is the fiberglass sheathing over the ( wide ) broad strake. It'll have to come off to fix the leaky centerboard trunk... and you don't know what else.

Still, she's an original Narragansett Bay type. The boat is in Point Judith. Let me know if you want to follow up.

You might also look at the Crocker Compass, an 18 foot version.

[Tom Hunter]

Just clarifying, that is not me, and its not my boat in the pics.

The out of the water shot is at Redd's Pond during spring, when the air is filled with the song of the random orbital sander.

The in the water shots were taken last summer, I was rowing, Valeria had the camera. This is me, same day, not my lunchbox

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[Thad]

The Indian in Tom's pictures was sold last Fall, back South of Boston. One great sailing centerboarder!

[ishmael]

I rebuilt and then sailed one for a number of years. They are fast within the type, but no planing dinghy. With displacement boats of the size not one except a Dragon we dueled with could give us a run, and never off the wind.

It spreads a cloud of sail, with fairly complex rigging. A tall spar, running back stays and such.

A great boat! Very well balanced and fun to sail. It's a racing boat designed for fairly mild conditions, 350 lbs of lead in the bilge, 230 sq. feet of plain sail, and an open cockpit, so keep that in mind.

Building one glued lap would work fine. It may be the only way to build one with any ease today, unless you added some planks. The garboard on Sacagawea was fourteen inches wide if it was an inch. Planked in beautiful almost clear cedar.

[rwlandry]

I'm one of the new owners of Cheyenne which is pictured above. We managed to have many nice sails along the Marshfield/Duxbury beaches last summer and fall. It is a great little boat, fast and a lot of fun to sail. It has a new spinnaker but we did not have it rigged for that yet, one of this summer's tasks. My co-owner has 2 other Indians that he acquired earlier with hopes of rebuilding. He still plans on trying to rebuild at least one of them. All three are lapstreak. I have a decent camera and can send you pictures if you let me know what you're interested in. Rob

[Thad]

Good to hear from you Rob!! She does sail great doesn't she. It would be good to bend new ribs in the starboard side and get those rusting stainless bolts out of her but she's a grand boat. Have fun!!!

[rwlandry]

Hello Thad, we're expecting to get the boat out from under the tarp this weekend or next. Ribs and the stainless hardware are towards the top of our list. Is it your boatyard that cared for Cheyenne? If so, I met you when we came up that day when they were racing the model sailboats next door. I was the better looking one.

[Thad]

Good and Yup. Good luck with your looks. I just sent Greg the link to this thread.

[merlinron]

there is(was?) one on a small lake in central wisconsin, built by the late ferdi nymphius. the lake is only a few miles from where his yard is. my wife's family had a cottage on the lake. i remember watching it silently slip by the pier and i couldn't feel even so much as a wisp of a breeze !. IIRC, it was lapstrake.

[Daniel Noyes]

Real beautiful boat we have one on the Merrimack at mosquito park.
dan
http://dansdories.googlepages.com

[jedodd]

if anyone is interested I have almost all the bronze fittings and parts except for the main mast for an Alden indian circa 1921
also have a good set of sails and the rudder with the bronze shaft
soon to have also a set of plans for the boat ..
john

ps the poor thing was way too far gone to rebuild .. but do have lots of bits and pieces as well ..

[TerryLL]

if anyone is interested I have almost all the bronze fittings and parts except for the main mast for an Alden indian circa 1921
also have a good set of sails and the rudder with the bronze shaft
soon to have also a set of plans for the boat ..
john

ps the poor thing was way too far gone to rebuild .. but do have lots of bits and pieces as well ..

Very interested. PM sent.
Terry