Classic Yacht Symposium

[Russ Manheimer]

to be held at the the Herreshoff Marine Museum on April 4th - 6th.

Going through the mail when I got home and saw the flyer; thought maybe this year. Well this is the year as our own dear Margo will be giving a presentation: S. V. Sarah a love story. Also presenting will be Forumite Mike Hanyi on his Herreshoff sloop Riviera.

Details here (http://www.herreshoff.org/).

And there's an EBS already set up!

Hope to see some of you there.

Best,

Russ

[Hwyl]

I could not find a price, Classic Boat says it's $130 admission. That may be the cause of my medical thread.

Edit Whoa, I found it $130 admission, $70 for the dinner and an extra hundred smackeroos to tour 4 boat shops.

[rbgarr]

That's a huge jump in price since the last time I went. If any attendees get the proceedings, how about bringing it to the WBS.

[Concordia...41]

Ouch! I didn't remember it being that much. (Well, it's $95 if you're a member of the museum.) I know that's a lot to some folks, but it's worth it. Not because I'm speaking, but because it is an amazing and wonderful event.

I literally stumbled into the 2005 event and found it to be the single most amazing and rewarding experience - bar none. There were so many people in attendance - names I had only seen in print. The depth of the knowledge base and wide ranging paper presented left me amazed and eager to get back and work on SARAH.

I also got to meet several folks, who I had helped via e-mail when Dave passed away and I was trying to find someone to come down and work on the project.

Because I benefited so much from the information and contacts made at the 2005 CYS, I made it a point to attend the 2006 symposium, and presenting a paper on SARAH's restoration is the fulfillment of an idea that entered my mind April 2, 2005.

So not only do I recommend it, I recommend you register early. It's like a 200-seat auditorium and if you figure the 6-8 speakers will each draw ten or so friends / interested parties, add the industry people who will be attending, and there's not going to be a whole lot of seats left. I'm thinking there's about 6 Concordia owners coming, plus Brodie. Some of you all are planning, so I can count about 20 seats down already. And I'm a pretty small fish in an increasingly intimidating large pond. :o

[Russ Manheimer]

Yes, but you're our fish. Hope to find room left; I'll call tomorrow.

Russ

[StevenBauer]

I haven't registered yet either. Has anyone found a reasonably priced place to stay yet?

Steven

[rbgarr]

I remember meeting Margo and Ed there at the lunch.

Olin Stephens gave a talk IIRC and sat in the front row with Halsey Herreshoff during subsequent presentations. His hearing isn't quite as good as it once was (he's a hundred now!) and he'd lean in toward Halsey to make comments that were uhhh, 'pointed' about others topics. He was trying to be discreet but everyone in the hall including the speakers could hear what he was saying.

Just that was worth the price of admission. Reminded me of Mystery Science Theater 2000. :D

[mike hanyi]

hey where did you see the listings of presentations? Im looking for it online and cant find it, I want to take notes on myself for my presentation. Sure wish I would get a cut of that dosh, sure need it.

they are buying my transat flights and a room at halseys place(with a lock on the door!)

mike

[Hwyl]

hey where did you see the listings of presentations? Im looking for it online and cant find it, I want to take notes on myself for my presentation. Sure wish I would get a cut of that dosh, sure need it.

they are buying my transat flights and a room at halseys place(with a lock on the door!)

mike

You got a mention in Classic boat. Congrats

[Russ Manheimer]

Mike,

The brochure came in the mail yesterday. I'll try to make a PDF later for you. At the least I'll post the text of the Titles and Authors bit for you and Margo this afternoon.

I sent an e-mail to HMM last night and will call to reserve this morning.

Best,

Russ

Ps. Mike, will you live-post your pending adventure in Reliance
on the Forum?

[mike hanyi]

why not make a copy for us all to see here on the wbf, I am sure there are more then us mushrooms who want to see.

mike.

Im still editing the paper, will send it in on monday morning!

[S.V. Airlie]

I haven't registered yet either. Has anyone found a reasonably priced place to stay yet?

Steven

Jeez Steven, at those prices,I'd try to stay on one of the boats...:D

[Russ Manheimer]

No scan till Monday when I get to my office as mine is out of service.

Here's a pic of the Margo and Mike sections:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2379/2220536729_ee2eaac56d_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2110/2220536517_31c07ba72f_b.jpg

My very best congratulations to Margo and Mike. Quick, someone fire a cannon!

When I hear from the Museum I'll ask about availability. I'll also check out the Bristol Harbor Inn.

Bruce or other RIslanders, any recommendations?

Russ

[Concordia...41]

I understand there are a couple of nice B&Bs in the area, but both years I went I had a wonderful room at the Bristol Harbor Inn and have reservations there again.

[adam96]

I could not find a price, Classic Boat says it's $130 admission. That may be the cause of my medical thread.

Edit Whoa, I found it $130 admission, $70 for the dinner and an extra hundred smackeroos to tour 4 boat shops.

I believe the non-member price ($130) also includes a one-year membership to the Herreshoff Museum ($35 value).

The brochure should be up on the website soon.

Adam

[Russ Manheimer]

Just confirmed our spot for the Symposim; signed up for the boatyayd tour and Saturday night dinner as well. Staying at the Bristol Harbor Inn.

Hope to see some of you there,

Russ and Julia

[adam96]

The brochure should be up on the website soon.

Adam

Link to brochure (http://herreshoffdesigns.com/CYS_Brochure_Jan08_REV4.pdf)

[Hwyl]

Thanks Adam it looks enticing, and I'm pleased to see Mike and Margo in there, also Hal Fisk who I've sailed against many times.

[Russ Manheimer]

Thanks Adam. Anyone else attending?

[Thad]

Yup

[Russ Manheimer]

Good. Steven Bauer may be there as well.

[Concordia 33]

My wife and I will be there, but that's easy for us, we live 100 yards form the Herreshoff.

[StevenBauer]

Ok, I'm registered. :) I signed up for the boatshop tour, Russ, but not Mary. She'd be happy to hang out with Julia on Friday. Then we could meet them for the coctail reception in Bristol. :)

Steven

[sawcutmill]

My boss, Jim Titus, is giving a talk on the ongoing restoration of "Corsair". He owns Mount Hope Boatworks, Newport,R.I.
I have done alot of the varnish work on her.

[StevenBauer]

We're staying at the Bristol Harbor Inn, too. The boatyard tour starts at Mystic Seaport. We can meet there, Russ. We'll have to leave Portland by 6 am to be there by 9:30. :eek:


Steven

[StevenBauer]

Only a week away now. I think they might still have room for any of you last minute types. :D

Are you ready Margo? You too, Mike?

See you there!


Steven

[Ed Harrow]

Rumo(u)r has it that a certain someone will be wandering North on Thursday eve as far as Woodville (~1 hr from Bristol). If others wish to do the same, drop me an email for directions.

Unlike the boatyard tour, viewings of Phoenix and Our Lady are free :p

I'll see the slackers in Bristol.

ed@harrow.org

[Russ Manheimer]

Bump. Tickets still available.

[Hughman]

(sigh) :(

[Ed Harrow]

Rumo(u)r has it that a certain someone will be wandering North on Thursday eve as far as Woodville (~1 hr from Bristol). If others wish to do the same, drop me an email for directions.

Unlike the boatyard tour, viewings of Phoenix and Our Lady are free :p

I'll see the slackers in Bristol.

ed@harrow.org


OK, near as I can figure, we're looking at four (or maybe five), including the three of us. So, assuming the airlines deliver her to PVD at the appointed time, we're going out to eat someplace inexpensive, probably The South Street Dinner in Westborough. If there is someone who wishes to join the party, you better email me soon!

Also, it's likely we'll have some visitors after Margo's debut and the whole affair has closed down. Let me know if that works for you.

[Russ Manheimer]

Steven Bauer,

Check you PM's

Russ

[StevenBauer]

Steven Bauer,

Check you PM's

Russ

Nothing in the PM box Russ.:(


Steven

[Russ Manheimer]

Shows as sent in my PM box. Anyway send me your cell #s. Due to the rain tomorrow we'll be coming up by train and will meet you in Mystic at lunch. If you get there early enough take Mary with you on the morning tour. (Sorry Mary!)

Russ

[StevenBauer]

:( Still no PMs. I sent you our cell numbers by PM yesterday. Not so reliable, eh? I'll try again.

[Ed Harrow]

ROTFLMAO(AKTC)TRDMF, ask Margo about her GPS navigator the next time you see her.

[R.I.Singer30]

So who is going to give us some details?

[Bill Griffin]

I'm hoping for an update here too, since I'm stuck at work all weekend. Must be EBS?

[Russ Manheimer]

Hi all,

Just got home; will provide pics later. Margo's presentation went well and was met with generous applause and comments. She got a gracious mention at the start of last night's dinner in the Hall of Boats and (complete objectivity here,) was among the best papers there. The Spartan restoration tour and presentations where a close second. I also liked Mike Hanyi's paper and enjoyed talking about his upcoming trip.

Herreshoff's rule.

Fun EBS last night with the Bauer's and Margo.

Best,

Russ

[Concordia...41]

I believe a good time was had by all. It was nice meeting Mike H, David Conrad (and his charming dad). Concordia33 and his beautiful wife were charming and wonderful hosts and I got to talk to several Concordia owners.

Ed (who does not appreciate my GPS / Street Pilot) and the Bauers are headed to Ed's. Hope he can find his way back...

I don't know what happened to Russ and Julia, I just had a few minutes to stop by the museum this morning so I really didn't get a chance to say bye to everyone.

I'm at PVD waiting on my flight and looking forward to getting some place just slightly warmer ...

Thanks to all of you that were so kind and supportive! :)

At the risk of sounding like Lefty, this place is freaking cold!!!

[Russ Manheimer]

We stopped by for coffee and hoped to get into the model room but too early. Wanted to get home early for some serious napping.

Great seeing you Margo. Mystic's next.

Russ

[Ed Harrow]

So I just spent 15 minutes composing an addition and IE 'encountered a problem' GRRRRR

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wlgtoo/WoodenBoats/csy-bristol%2008/DSC_0018.jpg

I am not going to identify people, those pictured may, of course, ID themselves. This picture was Sat AM before the symposium started.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wlgtoo/WoodenBoats/csy-bristol%2008/DSC_0025.jpg

This is the end of this presenter's presentation. In the evaluation I rated it 'most inspirational'. The high point, however, was when Bob McNeil said something to the presenter.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wlgtoo/WoodenBoats/csy-bristol%2008/DSC_0032.jpg

This party spoke about building a small boat in another country ;-) , as well as plans for further adventures.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wlgtoo/WoodenBoats/csy-bristol%2008/DSC_0035.jpg

And here he is pointing out the next boat he wants to build, stating, I think, that it will be more of a challenge as there is no documentation.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wlgtoo/WoodenBoats/csy-bristol%2008/DSC_0034.jpg

And, now, after getting it all done, I'm reminded that there is a 6 picture limit :(

[Ed Harrow]

Model room at the museum.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wlgtoo/WoodenBoats/csy-bristol%2008/DSC_0041.jpg

Person in model room at museum.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wlgtoo/WoodenBoats/csy-bristol%2008/DSC_0037.jpg

One of the boats represented by these half hulls did not defend America's Cup. Sailors are a suspicious lot.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wlgtoo/WoodenBoats/csy-bristol%2008/DSC_0043.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wlgtoo/WoodenBoats/csy-bristol%2008/DSC_0047.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wlgtoo/WoodenBoats/csy-bristol%2008/DSC_0046.jpg

Corsair - power launch to Corsair. There was discussion to her previous rebuild, the subject of a paper by Seth Hagen at a previous CYS.

From a techincal standpoint, the best presentation IMOO, was the one discussing building spars for Sparten, a NY50. There was considerable information regarding the methodology devised and employed by Herreshoff, and below is the type of clamp used to build hollow spars.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/wlgtoo/WoodenBoats/csy-bristol%2008/DSC_0038.jpg

This, too, was in the model room.

All in all, a pleasent group of people, and a most enjoyable dinner Saturday night.

Well the damn pictures were all OK in photobucket... And now they seem to be here, too?

[StevenBauer]

We made it home, too. Time for a nap. Margo's talk was fantastic. Mike's, too. :) More later.


Steven

[rbgarr]

Constitution was the one that did not defend the AC and it's the one that 'faces the wrong way" in that group. It's a mystery to me why he chose to model some half models facing one way and others the other.

Can't say I know all the people in the photos. I hope McNeil's comment to Margo was a welcome one.

[Mrleft8]

I believe a good time was had by all.

I'm at PVD waiting on my flight and looking forward to getting some place just slightly warmer ...

Thanks to all of you that were so kind and supportive! :)

At the risk of sounding like Lefty, this place is freaking cold!!!
Eh HEM!!!!!! It's actually a GOOD DEAL warmer here right now than it was in St. Frozenstine last winter BOSS!!! Thanks for calling! Too bad we couldn't hook up! If you bring Sarah up in June we'll have time though I hope....

[Stu Fyfe]

Margo, You are an inspiration to us all. Congratulations to you and Mike on your recognition.

[adam96]

It's a mystery to me why he chose to model some half models facing one way and others the other.

We believe that decision was simply based on the piece of wood chosen for the model - avoiding defects, etc.

[Claudia]

Congratulations Margo. (check your email)
http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/80/71/6h/www.ftd.com/pics/products/821W_c.jpg

[rbgarr]

We believe that decision was simply based on the piece of wood chosen for the model - avoiding defects, etc.

Who's 'we'?
:confused:

[Concordia 33]

Margo's talk was wonderful and she deserves all the accolades that people are giving her in the WBF. It was great to meet some of the forumites in person and attach a face and voice to the name. My wife and I had a great time between all the wooden boat discussions, and the people that are so dedicated to this topic. To all that attended... thanks for making it a great weekend!

[elf]

Who's 'we'?
:confused:

He's speaking for the Museum.

[StevenBauer]

It really was an awesome weekend. Meeting everyone from here plus other fellow boatnuts. I'd never been to the Herreshoff Museum so that was a treat, too. There was a lot of Herreshoff related info this year with the restoration of the 72' NY 50 Spartan. I hope there'll be more info on the the three NY 30's being restored in Maine in a future Symposium.

Here's a little clip for Russ, who didn't get to see the model room:

Click to view

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/bauerdad/th_MVI_1806.jpg (http://s146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/bauerdad/?action=view&current=MVI_1806.flv)


Steven

[rbgarr]

Speaking of the Herreshoff Museum, here is a series of pdfs of their house organ The Chronicle. It's not entirely up to date but there are many interesting articles. I especially liked the one from 1998 about Belisarius riding out the 1954 Hurricane Carol in Cuttyhunk harbor.

http://00002vw.previewcoxhosting.com/frames/Chronicles1.htm

[Rich VanValkenburg]

This is really good to see. Great pictures. Good job!

[adam96]

Who's 'we'?
:confused:

Apologies, I was a bit groggy this morning from the weekend activities (not the Symposium, but the hours of Laser dinghy sailing with a few friends on Bristol Harbor in a shifty 10-15t easterly (read: flat water), with the occasional 20-25kt wind squall passing through under the darker clouds, that followed the Symposium). Anyway, the subject of which direction the models faced actually came up during discussion in the Model Room this weekend and Halsey Herreshoffs' best guess was that the direction had to do with the piece of wood and nothing to do with the actual design process. Halsey has used the half-hull model carving method as part of his design process in the past with his Grandfathers tools and thus I trust his opinion on the subject. John Palmieri, curator of HMM, also confirmed he had not seen any evidence against this hypothesis in any of the NGH papers in the museums' holdings.

"We" was inaccurate as I have little basis to have an opinion on the subject. I was simply in the room during the discussion.

He's speaking for the Museum.
No, I am certainly not.

Adam

[rbgarr]

I would think his models were so important that he would be using prime materials. They certainly had plenty of it, and almost all the models have clear straight grain IIRC. I wonder if NGH was mentally and physically ambidextrous and it simply didn't matter to him which way he viewed or carved a model. One can imagine him holding an image of a hull shape in his mind and viewing it from all angles like a rotating 3D computer projection.

Never mind though and sorry for the hijack. Did the museum say anything about publishing the papers from the Symposium?

Margo,

Can you make a pdf or link to your paper or pictures. I for one would love to see it!

[Thad]

White Pine
The papers are published and probably available through the museum.

[StevenBauer]

Part of the admission price of the Symposium is the book including all the papers. I think you can buy it separately for $40. If I'd thought of it I could have gotten two books, there were two of us at the Symposium. I could have sold the second one on ebay. Or lent it out to Dave and others. Does anyone have a spare copy? We could send it around from forumite to forumite.


Steven

[StevenBauer]

I haven't mentioned the boat restoration yard tour yet. Mary got to go in Russ's place in the morning so that was fun. The tour was great. We split up into three groups so there were maybe 25 or so at each shop at any one time. We went to Stonington Boatworks and Tayler and Snediker in the morning then went to MP&G in the afternoon. At Stonington we learned how they make round hollow spars to exacting specifications. Top notch work there. We saw many of the spars for Spartan. He had a cool sanding jig that I think I'll copy:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/bauerdad/IMG_1789.jpg


T+S had a big project going and also built three 13'6" Columbia Tenders for the NY 30's being rebuilt in Maine. They were also building some deck furniture for Spartan.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/bauerdad/IMG_1790.jpg

The Spartan project itself was incredible. She's huge! Here are the chainplates:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/bauerdad/IMG_1793.jpg

Here's the mainmast built by Jim Elk, a hollow, 68' fir work of art:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/bauerdad/IMG_1795.jpg

Even the head was impressive:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r241/bauerdad/IMG_1792.jpg


I really didn't get many pics. Can anyone add some here?


Steven

[Russ Manheimer]

I'll have some more this evening.

[Concordia...41]

Even the head was impressive.

That's an understatement! :cool:

Kinda puts my AirHead in its place :eek: :eek: :rolleyes:

[adam96]

I would think his models were so important that he would be using prime materials. They certainly had plenty of it, and almost all the models have clear straight grain IIRC. I wonder if NGH was mentally and physically ambidextrous and it simply didn't matter to him which way he viewed or carved a model. One can imagine him holding an image of a hull shape in his mind and viewing it from all angles like a rotating 3D computer projection.



Final Hijack comment: Your comments are true, but there is evendence that NGH was very prudent when it came to resources. In his engineering notebooks and even some correspondence there are many many sketches, notes and calculations on the back of scrap paper such as used envelopes and old letters that exhibit this. Considering this, I would conjure that the wood he used for the models he collected from scrap and then dimensioned it to his liking. I don't know of any evidence for or against this though - it's just my guess.

Hijack over....

Regarding PDFs, the CYS committee is having a debriefing meeting in early May and I will propose to have the PDFs of all the papers posted on the HMM website (if the website can handle it).

Adam

[Russ Manheimer]

Thanks Adam.

Here are a few from this weekend:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2209/2397179872_3922485bb6_b.jpg
Spartan's suspenders.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2294/2397181952_047d92aa1c_b.jpg
Quite a collectible; original deck strapping from 1912

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2171/2397180564_ca9dabab3e_b.jpg
Perfect.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2412/2396342973_f0319f88f6_b.jpg
Jamie in the Daniel Packer on a rainy afternoon.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2414/2397174230_f28dd69842_b.jpg
N.G. signed off on the Booby Hatch design for Spartan. It was on display with many coats of varnish. No comment on the three digit number.

More later, enjoy,

Russ

[Russ Manheimer]

More pics here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sjogin/sets/72157604434412335/detail/).

[S.V. Airlie]

Yup.. gotta get those deadeyes and rigging fixed. A slight lean. No worse and no better than when Ian was aboard.
He mentioned something about passing through to see his parents on Mother's day. Maybe he will have time to stop by and give me his expertise etc...etc...:rolleyes:

[Russ Manheimer]

Jamie,

Are the mast wedges evenly placed around the mast? Any lateral adjustment available at the step? Does she sail better on one tack?

Good luck,

Russ

[S.V. Airlie]

Jamie,

Are the mast wedges evenly placed around the mast? Any lateral adjustment available at the step? Does she sail better on one tack?

Good luck,

Russ

The wedges were pt in incorrectly in Maine.. those n the left should be on the right as they are all individually fit to location. Some lateral adjustment is possible. Not much difference between behavior on tacks.
Of course, I only have what 4 months to say this.. Not much experience yet as to how she should behave. But no discernible difference noticed.

[rbgarr]

Thanks for the pictures everyone. Was that the dinner at the hall of boats?

On the subject of NGH using scrap materials for half models: Cut off ends of balks of timber or planking materials aren't by definition defective. I've got plenty of perfectly clear end pieces that I save specifically for making half models and rarely have to work around defects. I can get them at the dump every Friday between 4 and 4:30 when the boatyards dump their 'scrap' bins from the weeks work: mahogany, teak, DF, pine, cedar, etc. Most pieces are small and oddly shaped but it's common to get a real nice piece too.

[Russ Manheimer]

Yes Dave. A treat to have dinner there. We were on the Clara side.

Russ

[elf]

Bawn is the correct spelling. The site seems to be down today.

[Russ Manheimer]

Thanks Emily.

[Russ Manheimer]

New Post (http://www.sjogin.com/?p=147)about the CYS on Sjogin.com.

[Concordia 33]

Hi Russ:

I love your website, and Sharon and I had a great time meeting you, your wife and the Bauers at the CYS. Here is Weatherly's web site if you are interested www.concordia-yawl-weatherly.com (http://www.concordia-yawl-weatherly.com) . Best Reagrds - Paul

[Thad]

www.concordia-yawl-weatherly.com

[Russ Manheimer]

Paul,

Thanks for the compliment; It was a treat meeting you both as well. Julia and I will try to schedule a stop in Bristol this summer on the way to Brooklin. Do you have any plans to head downeast with Weatherly? Maybe for the ERR?

Fine site you have; nice and simple. Keep us posted on your project. How often do you do updates? And the type face for the transom isn't that bad.

Best,

Russ

[Concordia...41]

Paul,

... And the type face for the transom isn't that bad.




Yeah, and my signal flags were in order too ;):p

[StevenBauer]

Hey, I just noticed that the Herreshoff Museum site has some pics up from the Symposium. The photographer was no dummy, eh? Look who he put front and center:

http://www.herreshoff.org/images/CYS_gallery/CYS_1.jpg
CYS authors and CYS Committee members gather for a group photo in the Roger Williams Law School Lobby.



:D


Steven

[Russ Manheimer]

Thanks Steven, what a great time. Six weeks to Mystic!

Russ